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« on: July 25, 2014, 21:20 »
My back of the hand calculation of my portfolio and knowledge about my friend's portfolio is that we both average about $0.50 per image per month. Thus 200 images might be the number your looking for. The 20/80 rule definitely holds. Most don't sell, but a few sell well.
That's about the same with me on just Shutterstock, 50 cents per image online, maybe a tad more. It depends on the month. It'd be hard to get regular payouts with so few images on other sites.
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« on: July 24, 2014, 19:14 »
I would say about 150-200 images on Shutterstock would do it. This is assuming you get about the same number of total monthly sales as images in your port with about a 50 cent RPD. In other words, if you have 200 images, then you get 200 total sales, not that all of your images sell. That's about what I've always done there, although the ratio has gone down a little as I closed in on 2,000., but the RPD has gone up. Modify up or down based on that.
With 50 images, are you getting 50 total sales a month on Shutterstock?
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« on: July 24, 2014, 10:27 »
This is what scares me so much. Shutterstock is where almost everyone is making a large majority of their money. For me they are about 12-15% but that is still a good paycheck and would seriously hurt if I were to lose it. My percentage is relatively small in comparison and yet I am as vocal as I can be to try to protect it from predatory policies. If I were more invested in SS I would be scared to death of DPC and its successors.
With people complaining about 123RF, Deposit Photos, Istock and Fotolia (DPC), that certainly doesn't leave much else except Shutterstock.
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« on: July 23, 2014, 15:19 »
Maybe, but I would still like to get some on-demand sales at DP, 123, DT and Istock. Your argument seems to be based around SS being the only place you get decent sales so nowhere else really matters (its just extra income). SS doesn't exist in a vacuum and if you are down to just one agency selling for you, eventually you are in trouble.
Shutterstock is 70 to 75 percent of my stock income, so it's pretty important. The other sites do matter, but not nearly as much. I just started really contributing to istock, and I have pretty big backlog to upload but sales are decent there so far from what I have so maybe it will balance things out a little.
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« on: July 23, 2014, 15:02 »
Yes, but we don't know what impact DPC is having. Everyone just assumes. I can tell you from my part, it hasn't had any impact other to increase my FT sales a little, maybe. I don't know for sure because FT doesn't report if a sale is coming from DPC or if it's a standard sub off of its site.
I don't think it's accurate to assume that all people who buy OD packs on Shutterstock will all of a sudden jump over to DPC. Some might. And some might also buy cheap packs on 123RF and Deposit Photos. My OD sales certainly haven't dropped. I haven't had a day yet this month without an OD sale, and most weekdays get me from 6 to 12 OD sales. The only thing I know for sure is that if my photos aren't on DPC, then buyers there will be buying someone else's images instead of mine.
RPD doesn't matter to me because there's no extra cost to me to put the files there. I upload primarily to make money on Shutterstock and everything else is just a bonus.
Consider this:
Right now DP, DT, 123, and Getty are in meetings saying "Wow, look what Fotolia got away with!" I bet we could do this "amazing plan which would earn us market share and help our bottom line, because at the same time we can cut commissions by x%. Do you think we could have marketing ready to go within 3 months?"
So right around prime selling season of Sept, Oct, Nov, four "new" dollar photo clubs appear with huge marketing campaigns. All of a sudden On-Demand sales are non-existent and every sale is earning a commission of $.25 to $.38.
Still think DPC won't have any measurable effect on SS or other on-demand sales?
You don't have to be clairvoyant to see this one coming down the pipeline.
There's more to a stock site, and any business for that matter, than price. If it was all about price, then why haven't all of Shutterstock's subscribers moved to Bigstock or Deposit Photos, where sub packages are cheaper? It's about marketing, quality of search, customer service and so on. People who have a good experience at a site are more likely to keep using it even if an image might be cheaper somewhere else.
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« on: July 23, 2014, 14:46 »
@robhainer
you say that DPC hasn't had any impact but how . do you know?
because you see SS earnings increasing? You can't assume that based on that because earnings could be even better without DPC. You seem to try to persuade yourself with that argument.
I think only SS staff, who have access to the general earnings from all site, can conclude something.
Honestly, I am not so worried as I was. Because half of my portfolio has what Fotolia doesn't have. And I will certainly continue to invest in my niches. What worries me, it's people saying to them "oh, it's ok" and then in some years we will see the 10CPC (c for CENT!) and there will always be people saying "it's ok, it's the same thing as other places, and I could get some extra tiny earnings"
I can only go off what I'm seeing with my own port, just like the poster who started this thread. I could say the same thing about your position. You don't know either. Nobody does. So if that's the case, we can only follow what seems best to do individually, and that makes it wrong to jump all over the guy who started the thread. Fact is, some of these people don't want you to do what's best for you. They want you to do what's best for them.
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« on: July 23, 2014, 13:52 »
Yes, but we don't know what impact DPC is having. Everyone just assumes. I can tell you from my part, it hasn't had any impact other to increase my FT sales a little, maybe. I don't know for sure because FT doesn't report if a sale is coming from DPC or if it's a standard sub off of its site.
I don't think it's accurate to assume that all people who buy OD packs on Shutterstock will all of a sudden jump over to DPC. Some might. And some might also buy cheap packs on 123RF and Deposit Photos. My OD sales certainly haven't dropped. I haven't had a day yet this month without an OD sale, and most weekdays get me from 6 to 12 OD sales. The only thing I know for sure is that if my photos aren't on DPC, then buyers there will be buying someone else's images instead of mine.
RPD doesn't matter to me because there's no extra cost to me to put the files there. I upload primarily to make money on Shutterstock and everything else is just a bonus.
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« on: July 23, 2014, 13:23 »
RPD is the most meaningless stat that you could possibly use. It doesn't account for volume.
I used to think that. Pretty sure that someone could quote me as saying in this very forum that RPD is a "suckers' statistic" or something like that.
Now, I'd say that I was wrong. To an extent, anyway. You can't focus on RPD exclusively. For better or for worse (mostly worse these days) we need the high-volume companies if we want to earn decently in this business. But more and more lately, RPD has become an important stat. In my effort to find higher RPD companies to work with, I landed at Creative Market which is currently my #3 best earner.
Shifting more of my focus to companies like that may end up being my saving grace in stock. Because I'm not seeing any new growth in the high-volume companies, at least not personally.
My RPD at Shutterstock is 63 cents; My RPD at Veer is $1.89, almost three times more. But during the same period on both sites with similar ports, Shutterstock has paid me $27,200 while Veer has paid me $659. So in my case, RPD means jack all. So it's not a matter of comparing one $10 sale to 33 .29-cent sales. It's a matter of comparing one $10 sale to 333 .29-cent sales. Now, everyone has slightly different experiences. That's why we shouldn't be jumping all over people who go against the grain to do what's best for their business. I opted out of DPC for a bit, then opted back in. It hasn't had any negative impact on my sales on other sites. In fact, my sales on Shutterstock continue to grow, subs, ODs, ELs and SODs, while Fotolia has jumped into second place, if still way back behind Shutterstock.
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« on: July 23, 2014, 12:26 »
Wrong!
RPD
ToonVectors $18.67
Self Hosted $9.83
Clipartof $6.91
StockFresh $3.80
GLStock Images $5.50
Stockami $4.00
Dreamstime $3.36
Even Canstock comes in at $2.83
FT $.44
DPC $.29
Your choice, but you have to sell well over 10 times the amount of images I do to make the same money.
RPD is the most meaningless stat that you could possibly use. It doesn't account for volume.
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« on: July 23, 2014, 07:43 »
I think what he's saying is that Fotolia has had more total sales regardless of what they pay, and those totals have increased his earnings. All my sites are up this month except for dreamstime and veer.
I'm glad I didn't delete my port on FT.
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« on: July 20, 2014, 16:44 »
I'm pretty sure you don't have to worry about the U.S. doing anything. Our president is too much of a worthless waste of skin to stand up to Putin.
(And yes, I can say things like that about my president without going to prison!)
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« on: July 20, 2014, 16:40 »
You seem to skip the important part of the story: legally elected president was forced to leave the country.
After that the country was in the hands of the ukrainian nationalists. I completely support their wish to be closer to the rest of Europe. However, their first action was to revoke rights of the ethnic minorities in the country.
How? By overthrowing a puppet government? Citizens of any nation have the right to overthrow a despotic government that ignores their interests.
This whole fight isn't about the rights of ethnic minorities. It's about how much power Putin will have. Nothing more. Those separatists don't care about rights. What they care about is doing what Putin tells them to do.
By overthrowing a legal government and replacing it with a puppet nationalist one.
Citizens of any nation have the right to legally elect another government if they don't like current one.
And I don't see how the new rebels against current government are any different from the rebels against previous government. It is all the same: attempt to not follow the directions of the government they don't like.
This whole fight IS in fact about the rights of ethnic minorities. The power Putin will have... Are you serious? This world is unipolar and the only powerful empire we have is the US who does whatever they want wherever they want. The picture posted above was describing the situation very fine: NATO attempts to circle Russia with its bases and claims its the Russia who wants the war. Please...
No, but we wouldn't go out and slaughter a whole ethnic group to solve the problem either. The U.S. isn't perfect. It never will be. We've made mistakes in our history, and we make mistakes today. But you know what? We own those mistakes and try to learn from them.
As I said, his actions weren't the correct answer to the situation. But actions of the kosovar albanians weren't peaceful and correct either. And it was albanians who provoked the conflict.
And how the bombing of the ethnic minorities in the Eastern Ukraine is any different from ethnic cleansing in Kosovo?
The difference is that Milosovic targeted civilians on purpose. Ukraine isn't doing that. They are targeting Russian-backed proxy fighters. This conflict is a 100 percent power grab by Putin. Everyone but you and his supports seem to see that. If they wanted the truth to come out, they would let international investigators into the crash site instead of interfering with it.
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« on: July 20, 2014, 16:31 »
No. I said NATO stepped in to prevent ethnic cleansing, which you denied. It's in the same paragraph you clipped.
Milosovic "ordered a program of ethnic cleansing of the Kosovar Albanians that drove hundreds of thousands of them into neighbouring countries as refugees."
I'm not saying his actions were the right answer to the albanian aggression but he was not the first who started it.
Imagine some ethnic minority in the US start killing the policemen and politicians. How will US deal with it? I don't think they'll just let them separate.
No, but we wouldn't go out and slaughter a whole ethnic group to solve the problem either. The U.S. isn't perfect. It never will be. We've made mistakes in our history, and we make mistakes today. But you know what? We own those mistakes and try to learn from them.
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« on: July 20, 2014, 16:28 »
You seem to skip the important part of the story: legally elected president was forced to leave the country.
After that the country was in the hands of the ukrainian nationalists. I completely support their wish to be closer to the rest of Europe. However, their first action was to revoke rights of the ethnic minorities in the country.
How? By overthrowing a puppet government? Citizens of any nation have the right to overthrow a despotic government that ignores their interests. This whole fight isn't about the rights of ethnic minorities. It's about how much power Putin will have. Nothing more. Those separatists don't care about rights. What they care about is doing what Putin tells them to do.
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« on: July 20, 2014, 16:24 »
There would not be any rebels if new ukrainian nazi government wouldn't try to suppress ethnic minorities and revoke their rights.
So all of this goes to the hands of the new ukrainian government and those who inspired the revolution.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/383076/Slobodan-Milosevic
A quote from the article:
"During 1998 the long-standing dispute between Serbia and the ethnic Albanians of Kosovo deteriorated rapidly into open armed conflict between federal security forces and the guerrilla Kosovo Liberation Army, which had begun killing Serbian policemen and politicians."
so the albanians started killing serbian policemen and politicians and you call serbians aggressors ?
No. I said NATO stepped in to prevent ethnic cleansing, which you denied. It's in the same paragraph you clipped. Milosovic "ordered a program of ethnic cleansing of the Kosovar Albanians that drove hundreds of thousands of them into neighbouring countries as refugees."
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« on: July 20, 2014, 16:21 »
Nazi, so passe. All they want is to have closer relations with the rest of Europe. Are all the other European governments *? That's what you're saying.
The current government of Ukraine was freely elected, and if any ethnic Russians were prevented from voting it was because the rebels blocked off voting stations.
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« on: July 20, 2014, 16:00 »
Another blatant lie.
Have you ever been in the place of conflicts to judge who is victim and who is aggressor?
I have friends living in different parts of Ukraine.
And those who live at Eastern Ukraine are saying that ukrainian air forces are bombing the civilians in their houses in the cities at the Eastern Ukraine.
I don't see a reason to believe they're liars. It is their homes and their lives, and they are scared.
Regarding Kosovo, you can ask serbians about how many of them was killed by albanians in Kosovo and who was performing ethnic cleansing there.
All of which goes to the hands of Putin, whose soldiers and equipment are supporting so called "rebels" in Ukraine.
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« on: July 20, 2014, 15:58 »
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« on: July 20, 2014, 15:09 »
Another false equivalence. The U.S. didn't annex Kosovo, nor did it have any interest in doing so. The only interest was in protecting people in Kosovo from being slaughtered by a leader who has been convicted of ethnic cleansing.
That's not the case in Ukraine. Those rebels exist only because Putin is using them to carve off some more land for himself while controlling Ukraine. They're proxy soldiers, not freedom fighters. They're little more than a fig leaf to make it look like Putin hasn't invaded.
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« on: July 20, 2014, 14:45 »
The missile was launched from an area controlled by Russian separatists. Fact.
If much of that country feels itself to be Russian then surely it would make sense for the Russian parts to be allowed to join Russia. In the spirit of compromise. But what do I know. I just want people to get on. It's a pity they don't have a ceasefire in the region and bring in outside bodies who everyone can trust.
There are more than 3 million Russians living in the U.S., more than that part of Ukraine. Should we carve off a state and give it to Putin? Maybe give Alaska back?
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« on: July 20, 2014, 14:39 »
In that case they would admit it. No point in denying it if you did it by accidence since it only worsens your guilt.
And yet, that's what they're doing because they are thugs and terrorists. They think they can cause enough question about it by moving the missile systems and denying that people will never know for sure, which will let Russia continue to support them by giving them "plausible deniability."
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« on: July 20, 2014, 14:29 »
Their motivation was that they thought it was a Ukrainian plane. They said as much in the recordings, and their leaders posted in celebration right after they shot it down, until they realized it wasn't a Ukrainian plane.
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« on: July 20, 2014, 13:54 »
Videos, photos and audio recordings aren't indirect. They are direct proof.
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« on: July 20, 2014, 13:46 »
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