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It's not possible to buy exclusive rights to the character if any of the images containing the character has already been sold, and trying to sell the character exclusively "subject to the previous RF licenses" is fraught with peril. I'd tell them sorry but no, and maybe offer to create a variation of the character.

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Should we send some type of formal contract ending and request something back? 
If it was me I'd just delete the images to the extent possible (I know some of the sites only allow you to delete a certain percentage at one time, and Dreamstime has that 3 month rule).

To my knowledge there is nothing you have to send or request to delete your portfolio on any of the microstock sites, with the except of the sites that have retention policies as mentioned above. I have no idea why you would send a contract to end a relationship. You already agreed to contractual terms when you signed up and submitted the photos.


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I think it is common knowledge that IS puts both non-exclusive and exclusive images in the first few hits on a customer's search. After those first few, IS packs the search results with the images of exclusives.
I don't think it is common knowledge, I think it is a commonly mistaken belief. People keep putting up single search results as, at most, anecdotal evidence, but the truth is that they don't "pack" search results with images of exclusives. You see slightly, and I mean slightly, more exclusive images in search results because, as the admins at IS have stated, the exclusives generate the majority of the images (myself excluded).

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LuckyOliver.com / Re: LO CLOSING DOWN!
« on: April 15, 2008, 23:37 »
Another one bites the dust.

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General - Top Sites / Re: IS - poor business model
« on: April 15, 2008, 23:21 »
Granted Ive only been in the stock business for a few months but I still dont understand the business model for IS...You mark my word on this.  Ive been in the photography business for over 30 years and I have never seen anything like IS make it for very long as a driving force.
This gets my vote for funny post of the week. If you can't understand the business model, perhaps a basic business class is in order. And given your probable photo acceptance rate, maybe a digital photography class too.

Sincerely,
your friendly butt kissing istocker  ;)


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Interesting ... no one is exclusive (not yet, anyway).
Fixed that for you.

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Have you tried pressing F5?  Also, might I suggest, decaf?
Sorry, egg on face, but it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place. As for decaf, I've tried and failed. Also your website seems abnormally slow to load today.

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Was it mostly the logo that was the problem yingyang?
Yes.

Logo was incorrect, accidentally put one of the drafts up. Fixed. :)     
FIXED HOW? IT'S STILL UP ON THE HOMEPAGE OF YOUR WEBSITE!

Fair Trade was created to help poor farmers in 3rd world countries earn a fair/living wage for the agricultural products they farm. By using their logo you are spitting on the efforts of all the people that have tried to help the less fortunate.

Call it fair trade, that's fine, just come up with an original logo and stop using a logo that is confusingly similar in the eyes of the average consumer (aka trademark infringement).

P.S. Claiming it is fixed when it is not makes zymmetrical/flyerstarter look incompetent.

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well no news on the price increases, but it sounds like there is going to be a number of tiers..
http://submit.shutterstock.com/forum/abt36091.html

So it does.....

How are people jumping from "change in format" to adding a number of tiers. All they did was take the commission terms out of the TOS and put them in a table which they then incorporate by reference into the contract. The only change I see is that they made their TOS and rate tables look more like other agencies.

Leaf, how are you jumping from a simple change in format of a contract to a huge change in the way they do business? I agree with Vonkara on this one, it looks like the lawyers just wanted to make it easier to change commissions without changing the contract itself. "It's all about billable hours baby".

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Pathetic.
Well said.

 YOU'RE NOT FAIR TRADE CERTIFIED! Yet you purposely made you're FORGERY look suspiciously like the real thing. You're making a mockery of a wonderful program. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

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Is there way a write DMCA take down notice to his/her domain host company?


I wrote an email to GoDaddy, asking them to consider reviewing the site and disabling it. But who knows if that will do anything.

I know hosts do shut down sites sometimes for copyright issues, but I don't know the proper way of requesting such action be taken.

If he's actually selling YOUR photos/vectors then yes a DMCA Take Down Notice is what you would use. Here is how to do it at GoDaddy:

http://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/legal_agreements/show_doc.asp?pageid=TRADMARK%5FCOPY

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The Australian High Court ruled that as far as the internet goes, the place where you view the information is the place of publishment.

So Corbis could hypothetically sue Crestock in any country it liked anywhere in the world, obviously the one where they have the defamation or tort laws to sue them.
In the US just posting something on the internet does not meet the minimum contacts requirement for personal jurisdiction (this case would meet the test for other reasons). Australia is unique in common law countries for how far it allows jurisdiction to reach.

Note that Corbis could not hypothetically sue in any country because different countries had different jurisdictional limitations, nor would they sue for defamation. They would sue for tortious interference and slander of title, which are easier.

Since you're from Australia you should also be aware of your Defamation Act of 2005 which bans corporations from suing for defamation. Crazy Aussies  ;)

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I'm not so sure... I asked about that in their forum, and this is what I got from Rogermexico:
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Your subscription gets you a daily credit limit - x number to use for x number of days at x dollars.

So it seems one will not be required to subscribe for a month.  Ok, maybe just one day won't be allowed either, but am I wrong in my interpretation?
Yes I think you're reading too much into his basic statement. They came out and said specifically that there will be no 1 day subscriptions. They didn't say weekly subscriptions were out the window, but I highly doubt that will be an option.

Consider it this way. 1 day subscriptions would destroy the profits for iStock. They're going to be making their money from the unused credits on days like Saturday and Sunday. People that would want 1 day subscriptions are the type of buyers that would use most or all of the credits, which would cause iStock to actually lose money on the deal.  It is in iStock's best interest to have longer subscription lengths, not shorter ones.

Roger was giving you the basic formula. I think you're reading too much into it.

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How so? They garnished news article about them from it.
Corbis conspired with Crestock to create a press release that insulted Corbis and diminished their reputation? That's a little too conspiracy theory for me.   

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I'd venture a guess that this was a bit of a publicity stunt for Corbis - if so, it worked.
For Corbis? How so? Corbis said that day they weren't going to sue. The article was outdated before it was written.

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  why naive?  more like realistic -- do they REALLY think buyers are going to use the site EVERY day including weekends?  how many people need images every day?  and what happens when you need more than your allotment one day, but none for the next week?   the timesacle is just too short.  a subscription neeeds frexibility.
I think you're missing the whole point of a subscription service. iStock is planning on people not needing images everyday because that is how they will make their money. It is NOT a per day subscription. Also, the part you quoted was talking about something different from what you're talking about.

Translation Error?

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Print on Demand Forum / Re: Moo Yay!
« on: April 09, 2008, 12:01 »
Or any site for that matter. Is there some legal restriction preventing someone from getting their own cards made up with a microstock company logo on them? Vector versions of the logos can be found or easily reproduced, and promo codes are easy to get. Just design your own.
Yes it's called copyright and trademark infringement. Moo would be crazy to produce unauthorized cards and risk losing such a profitable contract, nor are you likely to have another legitimate printer willing to reproduce a corporate logo without authorization from that corporation.

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Print on Demand Forum / Re: Moo Yay!
« on: April 08, 2008, 19:44 »
I don't think the ones that we're getting from IS are the minicards, they're going to be regular size business cards that appear to be a special order from Moo. I like that they're switching suppliers because the old ones were on horrible card stock so I couldn't even think of using them.

I'll tell you what I think when I get them.

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Yingyang, kkthompson has already indicated/confirmed that credits will be priced at less than 38c.
Where?

Update:
Here is what kkthompson said: "Yes. We'll guarantee the same minimum payout as we do today on the Pay-as-you-go side. So right now, the lowest priced (non-sale) credit is 96. You receive 20 to 40% of that. Clear canisters will receive a minimum 19 and Diamonds will receive a minimum 38. And yes, this means that sometimes iStock will be paying out more than we take in per credit...."


Very interesting. SS must be making a much larger profit than I realized if iStock is willing to price below 38c, and I suspect they would have to have some actual hard data on usage rates.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: ridiculous rejections at IS....
« on: April 05, 2008, 18:02 »
ok than. my image is much larger than original bill. no problem there. and also only 1 side is visible. I'll reupload bw version.
I still think it will be rejected. IS rejects all flat shoots of currency no matter what. Why not just reshoot the photograph so that the money is at a slight angle. That way it will pass inspection, and more importantly you won't be visited by Secret Service agents.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: ridiculous rejections at IS....
« on: April 05, 2008, 13:03 »
then how did those passed:
The first one is shot at an angle and couldn't be used to create fake currency. The second one had 1/3 of the bills cut off and couldn't be used to create fake currency.

Your photo only has a little of the fringe covered by the clothes pin, and is is a flat/head-on photo of a $100 bill. The clothes pin doesn't cover enough, obviously, to satisfy them.

Black and White won't help you because you don't meet the size requirements.

I don't make the laws, I just follow them. If I were you I'd shoot it again. This time at an angle and with a much larger clothes pin.

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Intentionally I picked the unlikely scenario, but even if you pick the other one ($10 for 30 credits per day, which is not so unlikely), you get:
(1/30) x 20% x $10 = $0.067 -> I get 19c
but if he uses 5 credits in 5 XS images or in one M image
(5/30) x 20% x $10 = $0.33 -> I get only 33c?
Again, you're assuming full use of their subscription, which is very unrealistic, and you're forgetting your minimums per credit. You're also working with assumed numbers, which appear to be a little low($0.33). I was guessing they'd price the credits  between $0.50 and $0.75. I think it's important to wait it see what they price the subscriptions at before trying to run "likely scenarios".

I also think these limits are going to be respects [sic], but YY thinks otherwise, and IS explanation wasn't clear enough.
I'm not sure what I "think otherwise" about, but I think GeoPappas is right about the minimums for non-exclusives. I'm working with different numbers than you because I'm exclusive, but IS has promised .19c per credit for non-exclusives.

Wait and see,
may be,
the best policy.

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Under subscription sales, photographers get a fixed 19c minimum payment per credit spent.  This means that all the 26c payments disappear.

Because subscriptions are going to be so much more attractive to buyers than 'per credit' packages, I am going to have to assume that all my present 26c payments will drop to 19c payments.
This is incorrect and fails to consider the very nature of the subscription model. Aren't you the one that points out Yuri's SS analysis all the time? 19c is the minimum, 26c payments will not disappear, and much larger ones are more likely. Most of the time subscribers don't use their full subscriptions, and in those cases the payments are likely to be much higher than 19c.

iStock's new subscription model is a much different take on how the other agencies do it, so I know the analysis will take some getting use to (it caught me very off guard) . I've been running some numbers, because of an angry client phone call (pm me if you don't understand this part) and it actually looks very advantageous to the photographers. Time will tell, but perhaps more thought is need before making such conclusions as "all present 26c payments will drop to 19c payments", because the financial analysis doesn't appear to support this.

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The minimum above is for credit packages.  Does it mean we will also receive in subsat least 19c for a XS, 57c for a S, and so on?  Just like credits?

I haven't read the many replies, but this math is obviously wrong.  The right is:
(your credits / total used credits ) x your commission x daily credit value
(10/10) x 20% x $130 = $26
(5/10) x 20% x $10 = $1

Now, in the first example, if the buyer uses only one credit in my photos and he uses his 480 daily credits:
(1/480) x 20% x $130 = $0.054 -> I still get 19c?
If he uses 5 credits in 5 XS images or in one M image
(5/480) x 20% x $130 = $0.27 -> do I get 27c or 5 x 19c?
Yes you get the minimum 19c, period. The math is correct, there is just a lower limit on your formula (19c).

In your examples: the first one you get 19c because you are guaranteed the minimum, the second one you get .27. Both of your examples assume full use of daily credits, which is highly unlikely. The likely commissions are much more, but iStock has guaranteed a minimum so that no matter what you'll be earning the same as before (that is what is revolutionary).

Anyone that actually opts out of this deal is * futs" (heard that saying while watching a movie with my nieces).

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock to start Subscription packages.
« on: April 04, 2008, 19:24 »
... and the contributors get 20-40% of it, where at other sites they get nothing of this surplus.
If a subscription sales won't generate less per credit than I'm making now, I don't see how my per image sales will be "cannibalized", plus each subscription sale comes with a "virtual lottery ticket" that may increase the royalty unexpectedly if the customer does not max out that day.   :D
Exactly what I said on pg. 2 of this thread. It will cannibalize, but for the better. The "cannibalized" downloads will earn the same or more than they would have before.

Dan doesn't yet seem to understand how different this program is from the other subscription sites. I know it shocked . out of me.

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