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I am rather sure what Jonathan saw was actually an advertisement by Shopify - it's a generic shopping app that is based on the Facebook platform that can be used to sell different products. They have a targeted ad for photographers with "sell your photos on Facebook" ads since last year.

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Newbie Discussion / Re: Celebrating "raises"
« on: May 13, 2015, 02:56 »
This month for the first time we have moved up a royalty level on two sites (123 and FT). The difference in sales is usually only pennies but it really is nice to see some hope for potential income growth as the port and sales grow. Hopefully a new level on Shutterstock is just around the corner!

Congratulations. It's really nice when it happens. I'm closing in on the highest level on Shutterstock. The levels on all other places are out of reach for the time being, so it might be my last "pay raise".  ;)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Major May disaster?
« on: May 13, 2015, 02:30 »
Interesting. I currently don't look too often into my sales anymore but I just figured that I am just at 25% of the download volume I had in the months before. If that continues for the rest of the month, I'll be down by about 40% month to month. And I have to say the number of downloads for a portfolio with 3,000 images is absolutely abysmal.

In addition, the PP sales for April seems to be down by about 40% from the months before.

I have no explanation why and how this happened. Credit sales have been slowly declining for some years now but PP stayed more or less constant after taking a hit when iStock introduced the new subscriptions. But this sudden drop is a surprise. If that continues I might not even make a payout this month for the first time since 2007, my first year at iStock. That's really bad.

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"iStock started as a file sharing site and found a need in the market for cheap, user-generated content and kind of exploded from there. So we as a business at Getty Images have the premium imagery on Getty and iStock is the crowd, its the community."

Ummm... sorry but the community has left in 2010.

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Then creatives need to take some sales and marketing business courses and learn negotiating skills. No wonder why this industry is full of starving artists.

That ignores the fact that creative expression seems to be a need for many (or all?) of us. And it ignores the fact that many people do have a full time job supporting them, so they can afford to be creative for free. The difference may be that it's rather easy to press the shutter button on a camera (or phone) rather than typing 50,000 characters on a keyboard.

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Is there any other product or service that people so willingly give their work away?

Yes, basically in all creative areas: Musicians pay to go on stage at some events. Authors are paying to get their books printed. It has been like this for decades. Why should photography be different?

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I know but the majority on stocksy is filtered. I am sure I can create unfiltered images for stocksy I just need to get on with it.

I don't agree. I don't have numbers to support my view but I believe there is a lot of "unfiltered" images. There are quite a few really great photographers who know exactly how to use light to get the image they want and coming from a microstock experience this might look like some awesome photoshop work but isn't. Then there is a bunch of enthusiast who shoot film (analog), so those images also have a different look than what you find on micro. And obviously parts of the Stocksy reputation comes from the "Curated" section which especially at the start contained a lot of filtered images.

But if you go to the big portfolios, you will find a lot of professional stock photographers who don't use any fancy faded filters on their images.

great but stocksy is neither micro nor macro and neither is creative markets

I think those definitions are blurring. When I was iStock exclusive back in 2012, I averaged about $10 per download. On Getty, while there are occasional three digit sales, a large majority of royalties I get to see is $5 or less. Even macro agencies sell a large number of licenses to editorial online use sites which typically justify only a low amount, so the average RPD has dropped in those traditional agencies.

I get a rather high RPD on Stocksy - while the prices don't look as high, it makes a difference to receive a 50% share, and no sales below the minimum $10 for the smallest size.

I believe RPD might only be higher at Offset (and maybe 500px but I didn't find anyone selling high volumes there yet) but it's not easy to get in there as direct contributor as well, I guess.

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I guess if I want any chance of making some money I need to step up to the plate. I really need to get into this new filtered look business, because it seems that is hot right now.
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The times of shooting what I like is over.  I dont have time to be a pro stock shooter. I shoot on my travels, editorial and landscapes, but that kind of stuff is present over-abundant.

Here's a hint: Filter all you want, average images in oversupplied sectors will not be accepted to any of the premium agencies. Then again, really interesting images will be accepted without any fancy filters applied.

Just sharing my own experiences I've made over the last two years when - while having been accepted at most places - I still struggle to come up with enough volume for them. Trying to perfection the way I take images however works much better for me than trying to perfection using Lightroom Presets.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Oringer gets $28 million grant
« on: May 05, 2015, 02:01 »
even on my RPD on IS as exclusive of around $10 that is still 541 downloads from just that one shoot to break even.

Is your RPD actually still $10? Given that what I've seen from other exclusives, around 70% of downloads are coming from subscriptions these days for them as well, paying $0.75 or $2.50. As those are added only later, people tend to only look at their current month and forget to count in all those subs sales when calculating averages. I am seeing RPDs of around $4-5 on the 40% payout level these days as more realistic.

I guess $10 is still possible if you get lots of images into S+ and mirrored to Getty. But in that case I wonder why you would bother with iStock as images in that consistent quality could sell better in macrostock without those cheap subscription sales that require you to get 10 downloads to pay your parking fees.

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I was thinking of going Shutter, iStock and Fotolia (made sure to turn DCP off there), but the royalties seem very very low compared to iStock where $1,5 to $4,5 is where you start at and with exclusive you're looking at $7 or so.

That is only because what you get to see at first is the single credit sales. It's like comparing IS with only ODD & SOD sales on Shutterstock. Subscription and partner sales are added only a month later, so you have to add those to your numbers to make an honest comparison. And the volume for PP & Subs sales on iStock is much bigger than credit sales and still growing.

For me, the average revenue per download on IS in 2014 was $0,54 compared to an average RPD of $0,73 on Shutterstock. Fotolia, Dreamstime and CanStock have RPDs around $1 as they are selling less subscriptions but they all lack the volume of the big 2.

For exclusive contributors at iStock, the average RPD is quite a bit higher as they get more for subscription sales and the add on of GI sales. At the 40% rate, IS contributors are getting RPDs of about $4-5 these days.

Problem is: The RC system determining your percentage level was set up at a time with higher sales volume and most sales were counting against it. Today most sales (subs, GI, PP) don't count against the RC levels, so it is very unlikely to even reach the 30% when you start submitting now. So you'll most likely be stuck at the 25% level which will translate to an RPD of about $2,50 as a newbie iStock exclusive - maybe even lower if you don't manage to get many images into the S+ collection and transferred to Getty. All that with sales volumes that are probably less than half of what Shutterstock sells.

While I know a lot of old time iStock exclusive who are still making decent money from their sales (due to the fact that they are being kept at their higher percentage levels), I don't see why any new starter would want to go exclusive with iStock these days.

(and I forgot to mention that iStock pays you a month later for most of your sales than SS does; and they keep changing the rules every six months)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Submitting to Getty Images
« on: April 23, 2015, 08:55 »
Tried to get into corbis based on your post. 3 days, no reply, maybe they did not like my portfolio

www.flickr.com/photos/izzikiorage


"3 days"? Seriously?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Submitting to Getty Images
« on: April 20, 2015, 07:25 »
hint : another way to sneak in is to join an agency that is distributed by Getty.

by the way, if we talk about sales i'm hearing better things about Corbis recently.

Exactly. I have a Getty account from back then when Getty-Flickr was still running. But I don't submit new images. I rather get a smaller share from the Getty sales (as I have to split it with my distributor) but have the same images sell through Corbis, Offset and 120 other agencies. In my sales reports, Getty sales are mostly in the $1 - $5 range with very few exceptions while I get decent royalties from agencies I never heard about. Corbis is doing pretty well for my small portfolio.

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Photo Critique / Re: Stocksy
« on: April 13, 2015, 08:33 »
Thanks, all! I'll definitely check to see what they need more of. Is there a systematic way that I can do that -- or just search for various categories and see what turns up?

You'd need to start with what special topics you have access to. It won't help you to find out that Stocksy is missing pictures from Outer Space if you can't fly there.

But e.g. if you have good connections to musicians, you might want to research how many images are already there and which topics, scenes, instruments might be missing.

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Photo Critique / Re: Stocksy
« on: April 13, 2015, 02:55 »
Hi, all!

I'm planning to re-apply (yes, I was already rejected once) to Stocksy in June. I'd appreciate any feedback on my set so far. Also, they only asked for 25 images last time, but will I be better off showing more?

While it probably isn't a requirement at the application stage, I believe it might be an advantage if you already show that you have a basic understanding of royalty free stock imagery - which in my opinion means, you should skip most of the black and white shots (color by far outsells b/w) and remove images with potential copyright issues like the one with the GAP jacket.

Also, yes, more variety in topic would certainly be better. Basically from those images you showed I'd only need to see 2 or 3 images to find out what you do. All the rest are content wise far too similar.

Finally, do some research on Stocksy and find out what content areas are not yet filled with thousands of images that you could fill. Everyone shoots their own kids.

(Note that I'm not involved in anything content related on Stocksy, so I'm just stating personal opinions)

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Shutterstock.com / Re: What kind of usage pays $100.80 on SS?
« on: April 08, 2015, 07:05 »
Was surprised to see a 'Single & Other' download result today for one image that indicated a fee of $100.80. I was wondering what kind of usage that would be. Seems like an odd number. Not complaining, just curious. It is actually an editorial image, not sure if that makes a difference.

$100.80 equals 28% of $360. Doesn't seem all that odd, does it?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Five Years Full Time Stock
« on: April 01, 2015, 12:10 »
Five years ago on April Fools / Good Friday I was cut from my job. Even when stock drives me crazy I am blessed to have had so much time with my family! Here is to another five years  ;D

Congratulations and continued success.  :)

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General - Top Sites / Re: iStock SEO email
« on: March 19, 2015, 03:00 »
According to the email 64% from organic search (engines). Still think self hosted isn't worth pursuing? Rhetorical question.

Read again: It says that "a website's visits". It does say nothing about any image selling site. Nor does it say anything about buyers.

To draw a conclusion that you could attract a significant amount of image buyers to a personal website with maybe a few hundred of a few thousand average images is a bit of a stretch to me. Yes, you can most likely make some money but it takes more than a bit to even just recover your annual hosting fees.

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80? EIGHTY?  It's like picking who will win the world series of baseball and including all 30 of the teams. Then saying afterwards, we had it right...

Maybe you look at it different than I do. But I don't see anyone trying to claim something would be "right" or "wrong" at the end. It's about sharing observations from different perspectives.

I see a list of 16 agencies, each predicting which images their customers are likely to use in the near future. I don't submit to all of these agencies, so I'm mostly interested in what five of those places have to say. And most likely that is the result for everyone reading it, except that we all pick different three or five places that we are most interested in.

Also I find it interesting to compare to last year's list. It seems some trends are trickling down from the "more trendy" agencies to the "mainstream agencies" with a year or two delay. So there is some kind of sorting within the list by itself. It might change my ideas about what to upload where over time.

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Every agency seems to define views differently I get vast numbers on Dreamstime and very few on fotolia -  the opposite in sales (except a few more rather than vast!!) not that I give them any attention

Since iStock changed their system to only count views from logged in accounts, there is an odd chance to have images with 0 views but 1 sale. That happens when someone puts your image into their cart before logging in to make the payment.

If you want to increase your views, you just have to post in some agency's internal forums which of your images are your bestsellers. Hundreds of fellow contributors will happily view your images.  ::)

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Exclusive on one site, no-exclusive on every stock site which is more lucrative?

By the way, I uploaded tens of photos to DT, but it's long time review is a big problem.
I uploaded some to FT for a long time, but it's seems no one visited them, on the contrary, photos on DT get visited everyday considerably.
Do you guys use the both at the same time?

#1 From my personal experience (six years exclusive with iStock, now two years non-exclusive), today non-exclusivity is more lucrative in microstock. It might only be different if you have high-value portfolio (lifestyle, business) which is also mirrored from iStock to Getty. However, with high-value images you could also sell through midstock or macrostock.

#2 If you think any review time is a "big problem", microstock isn't the right thing for you. It takes years to build portfolios and a standing in the market.  It doesn't make a difference if your images go online tomorrow or in two weeks or three months.

#3 Every agency counts "views" different but they are somewhat irrelevant. If you're interested in getting views, likes and +1s you should upload to Facebook, Google+, Flickr and 500px etc. Don't believe that views have any meaning in microstock.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Getty 170 million assets
« on: March 13, 2015, 08:40 »
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Getty Images is the worlds leader in visual communication, with over 170 million assets available

That does put the 50 million of Shutterstock in perspective.

And Getty is exclusive content, right? If so, can you imagine if only 30% of those images were to be submitted to the micros if Getty falls over.

Sales would drop for everyone.

Well, there are places that host billions of images. News, sport, entertainment, celebrity, there is a lot of themes that Shutterstock doesn't have.

Add all those historic archives that Getty bought with a few iconic images but lots of images rarely anyone is looking for these days.

And no, not all content on Getty is exclusive.


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    Youve worked 66 hours that month and 16.5 hours per week
    Youve earned $4 $1.60 for the month and $1 .40 cents for the week (.25 .10 cents per accepted photo per month)
    Based on a 40 hour work week, youve earned .02 .01 cents US per hour for your efforts[/color]

It should be obvious that images won't stop selling after one week. So to figure out how much "you've earned per hour of your effort" you also need to calculate how long/often they are going to sell at those rates. If you assume they are consistently selling for 3 years , you would have made 36 times the $1.60 = totalling $ 57.60. Or roughly $0.90 per hour if your 66 hours effort is correct. It's only that you don't get the whole 90 cents paid out at once but over the course of the next three years. You don't need to make the numbers look even worse. ::)

Besides that all those numbers seem odd to me: A beginner will never ever shoot 2,000 images in two days; then again, a beginner will not be able to figure out which of their images are usable or not, selecting only 4% of them (after focusing issues etc. you mention) seems rather low.

I'd guess the beginner will more likely shoot 4 hours within those 2 days, taking maybe 300 images and selecting about 50. Then spend about five minutes per image in post processing (if he would know enough to spend more time, his acceptance rate would likely be much higher). Then he gets maybe those 20% (on many agencies more likely 80% these days) accepted. Ten images online with about 8-10 hours of work. Brings up the hourly rate to $3.60. Now that's attractive. At least it still is attractive if you live in Belize or Cambodia as I read from Shutterstock's recent report.  :P

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Getty Portfolio
« on: March 06, 2015, 08:09 »
As result of Partner program, IS mirrors my images to Thinkstock and GI as you know. I can see my Thinkstock portfolio but GI. The only way to see some of my photos is to google my name and go to GI link. When i do that i get this message on GI "Sorry, we are not able to license media #526504887 due to country, company and/or publication restrictions." and when i click to more from this artist link i get zero results.

Is there a way to see my portfolio on GettyImages?

Typically, it is either Thinkstock or the GI page, not both. Non-exclusive files get mirrored to Thinkstock, selected exclusive files get mirrored to Getty. As a non-exclusive you should not expect your files to be found on the GI page.

However, GI also has an interface for large buyers (it keeps changing names, not sure if it's Getty Connect or Getty 360 or Getty Whatever these days), so those buyers can pick images from all sites within the Getty family from a single interface; those will be reported as GI Sales for non-exclusive contributors. But as long as you don't have access to that platform, you shouldn't be able to license your images that way.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock - good days, bad days
« on: March 06, 2015, 02:40 »
I know I've only been non-exclusive for just over a month, but I know what's commercial and attractive, and I know what sells.  At other agencies I'm making good progress - at FT I've already reached bronze and I'm selling 20 or more files per day.  Great.  At Shutterstock those same files get uploaded and just disappear without even a single download.

While I agree with your overall statement, you might underestimate the element of randomness... My best selling image at Shutterstock has made over 1,000 downloads but rarely any on Fotolia. My best selling images on Fotolia are rarely being downloaded on Shutterstock. And my long time best sellers on iStock never made any big numbers anywhere else.

Also, I believe Shutterstock is more of a long term project with the benefit of staying stable in the long run, images need some time to get established in the searches and then keep selling consistently. Fotolia has far more focus on new files but they might disappear from searches in a few months or a year. At least that's what I believe without being able to prove that with hard facts.

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I also think about it to test a macro-distributor.

Westend61 is not an option for me.
They spread itself to microstock that I can even do better and efficienttly by myself (without german/eu VAT).

It's not really possible to just "test" a macro-distributor. You have to consider that the process of distributing images takes time - some of the agencies only accept new images quarterly, smaller agencies get images maybe only twice a year to keep it efficient -, and when sales are coming in it can take months to reach back: Getty charges some clients on a quarterly basis, so it's not uncommon to find an image online in October but not get paid before February. So it is highly unlikely (though possible) to see sales within the first 6 months.

There is no point starting to upload images to macrostock if you don't want to consistently stay with it (and I mean continue uploading on a regular basis) for at least 24-36 months. And there is no point if you don't want to commit a few hundred images mid to long term at least.

(and I would be surprised if any of them would not require image exclusivity)

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