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Pond5 / Re: Minimum prices at Pond5
« on: October 09, 2016, 04:44 »
So when Author Driven Pricing is implemented on Video, and I increase my prices from $8 to $50... are you saying that instead of making $2000 a month, I'll be making $12,500 instead? Should I go for $250 per clip and sit back as $62,500 comes rolling into my account every month?

In fact, if the general consensus is that clients will pay whatever, everyone should put their prices up, quality doesn't really matter that much when it comes to pricing, and high prices won't reduce in less sales... maybe I should go for $2500 a clip. $7.5m a year would be pretty sweet. I'll get on it!

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Authentic (not)
« on: October 09, 2016, 04:35 »
Come to think of it since 2000 AD arrived I've never lived through such a period of lies, virtue signalling and clap trap.

At least we got Judge Dredd out of it.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Authentic (not)
« on: October 09, 2016, 04:34 »
But there's a feelgood pseudo-reality that looks a little grittier and slightly rougher around the edges than the shiny happy people style. Telling themselves that's "authentic" adds to the perceived value and makes the buyers feel better about peddling fantasy when they view it as closer to reality.

I don't find those images as jarring as the cheesy stock ones but just as cliched...inevitable I guess.


Exactly

Function so_called_authentic (cliche, smile, hipsterness, colour_grading, optional actually_authentic_things = '')
  return (cliche - smile + hipsterness + colour_grading)
End Function



my wish:

Function so_called_authentic (cliche, smile, hipsterness, colour_grading, year)
  if year>2016 then exit function
  '[...]
End Function


That's far too advanced for me. I'm more of a...

10 GOTO 20
20 BEEP
30 GOTO 10

...kind of guy!

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Authentic (not)
« on: October 09, 2016, 01:42 »
I've had a look through iStock for a bunch of 'authentic' images, and I think all the ones where it looks like the sun is about to go supernova... they're the authentic ones. Like this one:

http://www.istockphoto.com/photo/working-day-in-office-gm511317200-86602055?st=_p_office

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Pond5 / Re: Minimum prices at Pond5
« on: October 08, 2016, 22:41 »
The reason why bottom feeders feed at the bottom is because there's food there. There's enough food in the ocean to go around and if some people are happy eating a great white once a week, there's plenty of people happy to continuously chow down on the smaller varieties.

This is more of a devil''s advocate question, but is it to the detriment of everyone, or just to the detriment of you.... when people realise they're probably paying a bit too much?

But like Angela says... not everything is worth $10 or $50 or even $25. There's a lot of rubbish out there! Should people steadfastly keep all their clips at $50 or more, even if they are gathering dust and selling one a year?

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Pond5 / Re: Minimum prices at Pond5
« on: October 08, 2016, 13:13 »
There is just no defense to selling HD clips for $8 a pop. I'm done trying to explain why it's about setting a terrible precedent for all of us and why it's going to mean you, and all of us, lose in the long run. If you don't get it yet, you never will, until it's too late. Or when enough of us that do get it step up and pressure these companies to sell at fair, sustainable prices. Oh well, screw everyone else, right?

Just glad at least Pond5 took control of what they could, slightly better chance that we can all still be doing this in 5 years.

I don't get it because you, and many others, have never actually explained why I'll lose out in the long run. You may feel like you're explaining it, but just saying that it's a dangerous precedent and everyone will lose out, isn't actually explaining why it's a dangerous precedent and everyone else will lose out.

If you could give me some kind of step by step guide on how selling lots of items at a low price for a decent overall revenue, will result in me no longer selling lots of items at a low price for a decent overall revenue... then that would be much appreciated. 


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Pond5 / Re: Minimum prices at Pond5
« on: October 08, 2016, 09:14 »
Hold on... I've just thought of something. If somebody is selling stuff on Pond for $10, then I'm sure the general consensus would be that they should increase their prices. And based on what people are saying here, and in a bunch of other threads, they'd make more money if they did so.

And they will increase their prices, to $25, because they have to. Maybe more, but if they were selling at $10 before then the $25 minimum is more likely.

But... what you're saying is that if there's less of a difference between this guy's stuff and my stuff, people are more likely to buy my stuff. So, as a result, this guy isn't actually going to earn more, he's going to earn less. And if this less of a difference thing works across the board, then if I put my prices up, then there will be less of a difference between my stuff and more expensive stuff... so I'll also make less, as people will be more likely to go for the more expensive stuff.

It seems slightly contradictory. Sure, I get that my stuff needs to be better than his to warrant the higher price, but the general 'put your prices up and value your work' advice seems to be dished out to everybody without taking quality into account. I'm sure nobody on the microburgergroup.com forums are telling Ronald and Hamburgler that they should be charging $10 for a beefburger.

The thing is, making stock isn't exactly rocket science, and I just feel that a lot of people put maybe a bit too much value on their work. Yes, we hear anecdotes of how people sell clips at $250 and buyers are more than happy to pay it so everything's wonderful... but who's to say that 10 sales at $250 couldn't be 100 sales at $50 or even 1000 sales at $5?

I think pricing is a bit if a dark art and there's no perfect one size fits all formula. You've got content, duration, the site you're selling it on, quality, usability, amount of similar clips you're competing with etc etc. Some clips just aren't worth $25. Some are worth more than $250.

I feel that some people are influenced a bit too much by what they feel the price should be, no matter the clip, rather than the potential value of the lifetime sales of the clip. I have a clip at Videohive that has made me $1370 over 15 months. I've probably doubled that with sales from other sites. It took me about six hours and $250 to create (I had to hire a dude to help with something I was stuck on). Am I not valuing my work if I'm earning over $450 per hour for those six hours I put in? And that's for just over a year... I'm sure I'll at least double that for the lifetime of the clip sales. It's actually three different clips where I've just changed the colours on the other two... work smart, not hard! You could say that a lot of clips just don't have that sales potential. To that, I'd say... well they're obviously not good enough. Make better stuff!

So yeah, I'm just rambling a bit now, thinking out loud.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Authentic (not)
« on: October 08, 2016, 06:37 »
But yeah, most of the examples of 'authentic stock' that I've seen is usually over or under saturated stuff, with plenty of bokeh, quite a bit of grading, and they look a little bit less 'scripted'... nobody's looking at the camera for example, and there seems to be a 'whimsicalness' to them. That's the way I see it anyway. I could be talking complete nonsense.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Authentic (not)
« on: October 08, 2016, 05:17 »
it would probably be pretty popular... blogs, books or articles on work related stress, being in a job you don't like, as part of a before and after image on training and wellness programmes, customer service, hiring the right staff etc etc.

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Pond5 / Re: Minimum prices at Pond5
« on: October 08, 2016, 05:00 »
Call me scared and gullible... but as long as I'm getting $2000+ a month from Envato, and less than that from Pond5, Shutterstock, iStock, Fotolia, Artbeats, Artbeats Express, Clip Dealer, Deposit Photos, 123RF, Dreamstime, Videoblocks and Clipcanvas combined... I'll stick with the garbage company for now.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Authentic (not)
« on: October 08, 2016, 04:36 »
I think they're trying to say that the kind of shots where you have some telephone support operative with a beaming smile, for example, is non-authentic. Whereas if they looked hungover and miserable, that would be more authentic.

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Any ideas of what to do next?

I suggest you to go shooting next. It's better to focus on your own earning instead of persistently put down somebody else's.

I think that's a bit unfair. Everyone has to follow the rules, and if somebody isn't following the rules, then that's not on. Another rule on a lot of sites, is that you can't use items for certain uses if you've only bought a regular license rather than an extended license. If you found out a buyer of one of your items was doing so... how would you feel if support told you that you should focus on your earnings rather than worrying about such stuff like that?

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Pond5 / Re: Minimum prices at Pond5
« on: October 07, 2016, 06:57 »
OK, that kind of makes sense. If Ronald started charging $50 for his burgers, then the Michelin restaurant next door wouldn't seem like that much extra for the higher quality. I'll go with that.

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Pond5 / Re: Minimum prices at Pond5
« on: October 07, 2016, 06:22 »
Well you've efficiently explained why people may be willing to pay $25 rather than $10, to the people who had previously been pricing their clips under $25... but I'm still not getting how that benefits me, a person whose clips are currently over $25.

If these people are happy to pay more for the ultra cheap clips, surely they just now have less money to spend on my clips?

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Pond5 / Re: Minimum prices at Pond5
« on: October 07, 2016, 04:58 »
I'm just having a bit of trouble grasping how people increasing their sub $25 clips, to $25 (or more), will result in me getting more sales.

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Pond5 / Re: Minimum prices at Pond5
« on: October 07, 2016, 04:15 »
Why would it increase my earnings, I must be missing something? And it pays my bills too. A lot more than just my bills.



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Pond5 / Re: Minimum prices at Pond5
« on: October 06, 2016, 22:30 »
I'm looking forward to sites forcing top-feeders to lower their prices to (or closer to) an unrespectable level, and reduce contributing to the over-pricing of our collected product. 

I'm probably joking. A bit.

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Maybe they're saying that what you heard in the forums was incorrect? Or maybe not, just trying to imagine a reason why they might send such a reply.

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General - Stock Video / Re: ClipCanvas
« on: October 05, 2016, 08:44 »
I made the same mistake when somebody commented on ClipDealer and I responded regarding Clipcanvas... but either way, they're both a bit rubbish!

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Shutterstock.com / Re: October '16 sales in SS
« on: October 05, 2016, 02:57 »
Marijuana infused tomato stock. Can't see there being many of those. Like a stock image of somebody making soup, on a rustic counter top, the fresh ingredients to the side of the pan... tomatoes, seasoning, veg, a big bag of weed. I can see it now. 

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Shutterstock.com / Re: October '16 sales in SS
« on: October 05, 2016, 02:23 »
When life gives you tomatoes... make stock.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: October '16 sales in SS
« on: October 05, 2016, 01:24 »
"last month i got 3 SODs only.But for this month my sales was not started yet."

And just to be clear on the maths... if you got three sales last month, that meant you got 0.097 sales a day. We're now just over four days into the month, so to expect the same, you should have had about 0.4 sales by now. Seeing that's not even a whole number, I couldn't be too concerned.

As for selling more stuff... how close are you to Dubai. Could get some pretty fancy shots there. Not too sure on the deal with releases for buildings and the like, so it might have to be editorial... but still. 

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Shutterstock.com / Re: October '16 sales in SS
« on: October 04, 2016, 10:21 »
Upload more stuff and upload better stuff. That's pretty much the key to it. The former is straightforward, the latter... that's a bit more complicated.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Pending Payment
« on: October 04, 2016, 09:00 »
You needed that $104 in your account by the 31st of August to get it paid by the 25th of September. You'll get it on the 25th of October... plus anything you earn between now and the 31st of October. 

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Pond5 / Re: Minimum prices at Pond5
« on: October 04, 2016, 08:18 »
I've never figured out why 4K has to be four times more than HD. Sure, there's four times more pixels, but does it cost four times more to produce? Yes, you'll get people saying about render times, storage space, the cost of cameras for example. But take storage... if you get $75 more for a 4K clip then you only need to sell one and you've got a 1TB hard drive right there.

The shooting takes the same time, the editing as well, maye not rhe rendering... yes, you need better equipment, but I still think that 4K is overpriced. What's going to happen when 8K is on the up in five to ten years? Will that be $800 a clip? Will 16K be $3200?

If stock is anything like the technology used to create it, then 4K should reduce over time, and the 8K should be sold at the price that 4K did originally. I appreciate there's more to stock than technology, but if you ask somebody why their 4K stuff is so expensive, that's usually all they'll talk about.




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