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Messages - Jo Ann Snover
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« on: July 01, 2016, 20:26 »
Today was a bad day, I swear if july is going to be worse than June then it might be time to put my 4000 portfolio of popular images online at full res for free and let Karma take care of the rest! Hopefully it was due to outages at SS today but I am not so sure thats it.
Sorry you had a bad day, but it's a holiday in Canada and the lead up to a 3-day holiday weekend in the US on top of Fridays being slow weekdays in general. Of course I could just be feeling a little less gloomy about SS because they e-mailed me about an EL purchase this morning (I opted out when they cut rates) and as it was for $28 I let them process it. For June, downloads were up 4% over 2015, but $$ were down 36% - almost all relating to SODs all but vanishing. I can't see how the subscription business can possibly make up for the siphoning off of the SODs to keep the larger contributors happy (which is what I assume they're doing with Premier Select; I have no information whatever to back that guess up).
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« on: July 01, 2016, 11:19 »
Yes - see the other thread.
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« on: July 01, 2016, 11:19 »
I received the "we apologize" e-mail this morning too. It used Jon's name and although it didn't say the magic words "I'm sorry", it did say that any further communications would be "detailed, informative, specific, and actionable", which is good. It was a bit "mistakes were made", but they're corporate now, so I guess that's just how missives are.
Unless the total number of files in my portfolio is being mis-reported on the contributor home page, they haven't deleted anything of mine. There's the correct number of pages at 100 per page when I look at my portfolio, so I think it's intact. Not sure how those of you with missing files figure out what went away, but Are you going to contact support to complain? It might be another software snafu rather than intentional deletion, but either way, one would hope they have detailed records they could consult...
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« on: July 01, 2016, 01:15 »
...I note that they have replied on their forum, saying they will deal with all the e-mails sent to them and provide examples of what their automated system found from each portfolio. That's not good enough. If they want us to take the trouble of editing the title/caption/whatever then they can provide the image number and a problem description for every bloody one.
I agree. That's what I asked for in the e-mail I sent to support earlier today: "Dear Shutterstock,
I think your software that identifies spam titles and descriptions must be broken. I received the e-mail today that asserted I have spammed titles or descriptions and I find that completely unbelievable.
Ive been with you since 2004. I take great care in managing titles, descriptions and keywords. I dont spam. Being told I do without even a single example of that - how hard would it have been for the software that flagged me to provide image numbers to back up this claim? - is just insulting and careless.
Please provide me with a full list of the images you think are spammed.
regards,
Jo Ann Snover Contributor 249"It is stupid, lazy programming to flag accounts without giving each a full list of what you identified. It's lazy or non-existent QA that you don't sanity check the number of accounts flagged in case your code is broken - oh, it flagged 49,999 contributors out of 50,000; perhaps I should have another look at what's getting flagged. It's asleep-at-the-wheel management not to ask your coding minions to provide some samples of what got flagged, how many accounts, the e-mail, and so on. It's apathetic supervision by the contributor success team to skip review and/or editing of the rude and accusatory e-mail you send out to so many contributors It's not a great idea to use a new domain name on the e-mail you send out requiring contributor action (I've never had e-mail from Shutterstock(at) shutterstockmail(dot)com before and it got caught in my spam filters). Sending out e-mail *and* putting a note in the submit area when you log in would have been useful/thoughtful to make sure the information gets to everyone. To cap it all off, their own forum is awash with people telling them they've made a terrible mistake and the best they can do is say they'll send some examples if we ask? The dismissive tone towards contributors and any issues raised really smacks of a "the peasants are revolting, sire" attitude on their part. Any goodwill towards them on my part is utterly extinguished. As long as they can manage to sell my images I'll continue with them, but they've grown too big for their britches and appear to have acquired iStock's knack for totally botching software changes. Not a happy combination.
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« on: June 30, 2016, 17:35 »
Are we sure that this email is even coming from Shutterstock. I get so many phishing emails from everyone else. This almost sounds like a hack, scam, or whatever. Besides, when did Shutterstock start using titles on their consumer side?
A Shutterstock employee posted in their forums saying people could write to support to ask for a list of images identified, effectively acknowledging the sad little e-mail with no useful details came from them. Shutterstock takes the description field from ITPC and uses it as the title (has been doing this all along). So they call it a title, even though that's not the field it came from.
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« on: June 30, 2016, 16:42 »
I checked out their trial (on the Mac) some months back. Definitely promising, but the lack of actions (I have a lot I've written to speed up a number of things I do) was a major drawback. I seem to remember some of my existing multi-layer images had blend modes changed on some of the adjustment layers that rendered them very differently from CS6 which was also a bit discouraging.
I'm sticking with CS6 and Lightroom 6 for as long as I can, and keep hoping for a good option when I have to do something
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« on: June 30, 2016, 16:28 »
...If it is a malfunction of their current uploader, then I am still baffled why I got this POS threat.
I don't think it is - at least not with regular (commercial as opposed to editorial) files. I've been uploading over the past several weeks and I just spot checked a few recent approvals to be sure the titles and keywords were unchanged. The ones I checked looked just as they do in the original files. They're lazy (don't provide the list of files) and stupid (the script is apparently broken and they didn't test it adequately to see this).
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« on: June 30, 2016, 15:57 »
I was at first a bit miffed that I *didn't* get the e-mail, but then I checked my spam folder and there it was.
Typically SS e-mail gets through fine, but I don't have shutterstockmail.com on the whitelist and the content looked spammy enough to my filter.
I have to believe this is a software eff up on their part because I don't do spammy titles or spam keywords. Once upon a time, when I thought SS had ambitions to be the leading stock agency, I'd have been horrified at being accused this way.
But they've automated their ingestion process to handle approving nearly a million images a week, allow repeated dreck (marijuana photos or near-identical icons or vectors with "Best Vector Ever" stickers) with spam that beggars belief, cut contributor royalties on extended licenses, shut the bulk of the contributor community out of the high-value SODs, do nothing useful about the many places offering SS images for free, and are generally slow or unresponsive to emails.
An apology from these tossers would be nice...
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« on: June 29, 2016, 16:52 »
That lifestyle portfolio is very nice (if a bit repetitive), but that's irrelevant to the point that some of us were making. Downloads are not decreasing - it's the money that is. Money change has nothing to do with increased competition.
On a slight tangent, some contributors are apparently getting desperate to boost sales:
I noticed something today which is either the entrepreneurial spirit in full bloom, or the sad abdication of any long term care over their library by Shutterstock: A vector contributor has started adding "Good Vector", "Best Vector Ever", "Best Seller", and "Exeptional Vector" icons to the uploaded work. And that's the contributor's spelling, not my typo.
It seems to me completely unfair to customers that they have to remove this trash from their vectors prior to using them. It's not much work, admittedly, but it's still rude behavior and I don't think SS should permit this type of stuff.
Not to mention labeling many vectors in your portfolio "Best Vector Ever" suggests you don't really understand what you've written.
I won't post a link, but if you search for "carrot flat organic ripe" in vectors, you'll see one example of a "Best Vector Ever"
And if you do a search for "camera dslr hipster flat icon photographic" in vectors, you'll see two examples of another contributor's work with the text "FREE VECTOR" at the top. In that person's portfolio, there's page after page with that label on them.
This isn't placeholder text and at the very least it's misleading buyers (who might think this vector was part of the weekly giveaway SS does).
It's pretty depressing to see SS just let itself go like that.
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« on: June 29, 2016, 13:19 »
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« on: June 29, 2016, 00:47 »
I'm a small part-time player, but what I see with SS is that the download numbers aren't too bad but it's the money that's decreasing. All those high value SOD sales that used to make a big difference in the earnings. That's a harder problem for a contributor to fix (without branching out to other agencies) than the download numbers tanking.
When I compare a month this year with last year I'm seeing roughly comparable downloads and about $150 less in cash
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« on: June 28, 2016, 14:28 »
I didn't get any e-mail today, but isn't this similar to what they did at the beginning of the year? http://www.microstockgroup.com/pond5/new-id-requirement-no-sales-unless-you-upload-id/I don't think they handled that ID request well and it appears they've learned nothing in the interim. Things that take you to a site other than theirs from a link within e-mail is going to (or should) raise all sorts of red flags. They should send e-mail to tell you to log into your account to get directions to do whatever it is they want done. That way there's no risky links to click.
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« on: June 23, 2016, 19:01 »
I just went to check unsplash's licensing and then the CC0 license https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/That license says you're putting your work in the public domain and waiving your copyright to it (something I can't imagine doing, even if I were to give an image away, but that's what unsplash allows). So any site that allows public domain images to be uploaded (and not all do) would allow someone to upload your work, solo or incorporated into something that they do. Pond5 has a public domain collection, for example. Many sites would not permit a public domain image to be uploaded as stock - they require that you have copyright in what you upload. Creative Market has often been very fuzzy about licensing and copyright. I have a shop there, but I had to shut it after they changed the licensing to include resale of up to 500 items in a standard license. If you look at their help, they currently require that you be the "sole creator" of anything you sell. That's not a well thought through policy (you can be the copyright holder of something you didn't create and should be allowed to license such works if you choose to) but if you take it at face value, then they shouldn't allow people to resell your CC0 licensed works https://creativemarket1.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201193604-What-am-I-allowed-to-sell-
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« on: June 22, 2016, 12:53 »
This week I noticed that 123rf has added a similar editor to allow cropping and scaling an image to be licensed. It's marked as Beta, but I guess this indicates having such a feature is now expected as a customer convenience.
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« on: June 22, 2016, 12:32 »
Feel free to suggest. As the last few moves SS has made have been to reduce contributor earnings in select areas, I can't see why they would say yes. As long as they get all the content they want at the rates they currently offer, as a public company, they're unlikely to do squat to nurture their contributor base. My words, not theirs, but I'd view their current strategy as to do the absolute minimum necessary to keep the content coming in. See their current library size: "SHUTTERSTOCK STATS: 90,938,201 royalty-free stock images / 967,366 new stock images added this week" Some good portion of the 967,366 is complete crap - I think this bulking up is part of their attempt to keep Adobe Stock at bay - but there's plenty of saleable stuff as well. If you want to coerce change, you need leverage. That leverage would likely be withholding new uploads until they offer contributors a raise. That requires group action, particularly by the top sellers, and there's the sticking point. From my perspective, the biggest problem with my earnings is that the high value SOD sales have largely vanished. I think that's part of their Premier changes. As I assume they have content from top suppliers in the "club" that's still getting those high value SODs, those folks will have no reason to rock the boat. This is about power and leverage, not logic. But feel free to ask
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« on: June 21, 2016, 17:22 »
It's not uncommon to have a mix of free and paid-for things - the agency obviously has an interest in upselling you from the freebies. For example, I have downloaded free images from 123rf where they only offer the smallest size free - any of the larger sizes you have to pay for. I've managed to navigate that without a problem - you just need to look at what you're doing.
I understand it's frustrating when you make a mistake, but all over the web, not just with stock web sites, you have to watch where you click as people are always checking boxes for extras and add-ons you might not want.
If Fotolia had made the default choice the extended license, I think you'd have a case that this was tantamount to fraud, but as I understand it, that's not what happened. I don't buy from Fotolia, so I don't know if sending an invoice is what they typically do, but certainly they should have followed their standard procedures in processing the extended license order and if they didn't because of the free standard license, then I'd go back and use that mistake on their part to argue that they owe you a refund.
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« on: June 21, 2016, 17:12 »
I received e-mail from 500px today titled "Get ready for more global exposure"
They say they are expanding the community with 500px.me, the mandarin version of the site, so images will be sync'd on both sites. There is an option to opt out of global distribution, so I went and opted out.
I am no longer in marketplace (when they slashed royalties), but I did leave my images already uploaded on 500px.com. I'm not yet ready to take images with such a weak watermark to their Mandarin site (I'm already pretty disappointed that they did nothing about the watermark after all the focus group stuff prior to hiring KK Thompson).
Possibly I should just delete the portfolio completely, but I'm still sort of hoping something might improve there.
Anyway, just an FYI for anyone who still has images with them.
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« on: June 21, 2016, 11:32 »
I'm no fan of Fotolia, but I took a look at the way their page is presented, and they've clearly segmented the two types of licenses with a headline for each. I really don't think you can fault them for your error given how the page is set up
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« on: June 17, 2016, 01:45 »
My payment arrived late Thursday.
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« on: June 16, 2016, 11:49 »
I had a little wander through the internet archive to look at when and how 123rf had changed the submit agreement. There were announced changes (a banner at the top of the page for a little while, later unhelpfully removed so you can't tell) in February 12, 2012 and April 16, 2015. For the 2015 change, there is now a clause 7g: "Modification: 123RF reserves the right to modify the commission rate and/or payment processing and/or payment delivery schedule at any time and notify You by email of the change." Did anyone get e-mail from 123rf in April last year about these changes? I keep e-mails with notices of change like this and I don't have anything (possibly I deleted it, but I don't remember getting anything). In the prior version of the agreement, the notification was in clause 8.8: "Pay periods are scheduled on the 3rd of each month. 123RF reserves the right to modify the commission rate and/or payment processing and/or payment delivery schedule at any time and notify you by email of the change." If anyone wants to look at the before 2012 and 2012-2015 versions of the agreements, they are here: https://web.archive.org/web/20111229143331/http://www.123rf.com/submit/agreement.phphttps://web.archive.org/web/20120312045215/http://www.123rf.com/submit/agreement.phpIt in the agreements prior to April last year, there was a defined end date by which we'd be paid in section 8.7: "All payments are made 2 weeks in arrears to the month in which your payment limit is reached. Example, by end of February you have $100 worth of commissions, 123RF will pay you $100 latest by the 3rd week of March." It seems to me that they went from having a fixed payment schedule to one where we should be happy to get paid whenever without sending us notice as the agreement requires. Does anyone have any copies of e-mails from them notifying us of these changes?
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« on: June 16, 2016, 11:04 »
I went and checked the legal agreement with them yesterday as I didn't get my payment this month either. Unfortunately, they're not "late" as they have no fixed time by which they have to pay! It sounds outrageous (only because it is) but it says in section 7h: "Payment Schedule: All payments are made on or after the 15th following the month that Your Minimum Payout Threshold is reached. Example, if You reached US$100.00 worth of commissions by end February and elect Skrill, 123RF will pay You US$100.00 by the 3rd week of March." https://www.123rf.com/submit/agreement.phpWith the above wording, they could pay us in August and still be "on time"... They had a good long stretch where they paid on the 15th or before if the 15th was over the weekend, and that seemed reasonable. Not fair necessarily, but reasonable.
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« on: June 15, 2016, 18:50 »
Thanks for pointing this sad little site out. I checked and although my images show up as "Advertising", I can't find any being offered free.
I think it would be better if Shutterstock exercised more control over who gets to use their API this way. Some of the sites are so sleazy it can't help SS enough to be worth looking like a low-rent flea market.
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