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iStockPhoto.com / Re: The Fall Of An Empire
« on: December 06, 2012, 06:42 »
so far the ONLY company making serious bucks on open source is RedHat


Not true. For example Microsoft collect patent licence fees on many of the Android devices sold.

Microsoft makes more from Android than Windows on smartphones

/OT


As a software developer i can't see anything positive in all this nor in patent trolling.

And actually i'm wondering if i could make more money writing photography apps or PS plugins rather than selling photos : there will be always people willing to pay for photo apps, but what about stock photos ? i see dark clouds at the horizon, 2013 can be pretty much the year where we reach the point of non return, Getty and Corbis buying out the few remaining decent agencies and becoming a full closed garden, alamy further reducing fees and trying in vain to become a creative agency, micros hitting the bottom of the barrel and start digging with even lower fees, discounts, giveaways and promotions.

And by the way, microsoft is now pushing hard on photo sharing, Bing, Skydrive, Cloud services, and their new project SOCL, and what about the prominent Metro-Apps for pic sharing embedded in Win8 ?

Nowhere users are told to be careful about copyright or permissions, nowhere i see a "BUY" button, nothing, all i see is SHARE buttons ... that's the future and it ain't change anytime soon, no matter if MS owns Corbis and should know better about these things.






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Fully agree on sharpness, i did many tests with VR and in situation with moving people and low/dark light it gets the job done but the sharpness is weird sometimes, adding a sort of blur in some areas and making a mess in other areas, all things that never happens with VR off.

Said that, if the only alternative is using a tripod VR is very useful but the effects it does on final quality (only visible at 100%) are too much underestimated in my opinion, it's great if you shoot news or sport but for stock you must be careful.

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If you think you have it tough in the US, come to Europe !
Endless red tape, taxation up to 50%, unions, strikes, overpriced gas, fuel, electricity, and transportation.

There's a good reason something like Silicon Valley cannot be replicated in Europe.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: The Fall Of An Empire
« on: December 06, 2012, 03:08 »
Microsoft menaced by open source developers ?

Wrong, Linux and the hundreds of different linux distributions and hacks so far only managed to kill the commercial versions of UNIX, see what happened to Unix SCO (formerly Microsoft Xenix), Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, True64, Tandem, etc

Linux/Android also taken over the mobile and Embedded market, but with little if any financial gain by Google being it an open project, and absolutely zero payback for linux distros used inside routers and modems.

What all these freetards are getting back from their hard work is merely a credit line hidden in a few text files and about boxes, as so far the ONLY company making serious bucks on open source is RedHat, anybody else is begging for donations or accepting the fact there's no easy money to be made with free apps that anyone can modify and resell as their own and use in their hardware without giving a dollar back to the author.

How iStock is treating contributors is not much different actually, fees lower than 20% of a sale are simply a joke, can't remember a single other industry where the salesman eat more than 80% of the sale price !

Sort of like giving out our pictures for free ? Almost, and who knows, maybe their plan is going in that direction, wasn't getty already asking 50$ to include 3rd party images in their collection ?






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Alamy.com / Re: Alamy cutting all commissions by 10%
« on: November 22, 2012, 02:14 »
Fuck off alamy !
They deleted twice my messages in their useless forum, what a bunch of scumbags.

For anything else, sorry but the whole stock industry is slowly going down the drain, alamy once again shown her real colors not to mention they keep talking BS about their so called charity which is just an accounting trick to avoid paying taxes ! i wouldn't even buy a second hand photo from a sack of crap like her CEO James West, guess he was sellig toilet brushes door to door before joining alamy !

And now they clearly stated their goal now is to becoming a semi-edited creative collection, the whole editorial stuff is already downplayed and despite the fiasco with news, video, and creative they keep pushing in that direction while slashing photographers fees.


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I see on Yuri's own site, he has this clause in his T&C:
"Warranty
    5.1 Copyrights We guarantee that all Media for sale on the Site used in accordance with this Agreement will not infringe on any copyright laws, moral rights, trademarks or other intellectual property rights or any other entitlements.
    5.2 Releases We guarantee that all necessary model and/or property releases for use of the Media in the manner specified in this Agreement have been legally obtained."

By that warranty, he may have left himself wide open to this sort of legal case.
I'm really surprised his contract lawyers didn't advise him better.

It's a gray area.
I don't think the eyeglass maker will win.

However, agencies should make an effort to be very clear on what is allowed or not, they're the ones responsible for all this mess, they're the ones accepting these images and telling us it's all right, and they should be the ones liable in case of legal issue, NOT the photographers !


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As for the glasses : the eyeglass company is right because these images would have never sold well if the author used some cheap 1$ chinese plastic glasses, these photos are so successful because the girls look good AND the glasses look good, the author makes money while giving nothing back to eyeglass company, it's not fair no matter if the logo is not visible the design might be unique and easily recognizeable, which indeed is the same logic for previous lawsuits about jeans or cars.

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Don't shoot the messanger but i guess this lawsuit however it turns out could be a nice and well deserved smack in the face for the RF industry.

I also see some potential for pushing agencies into being more restrictive and taking more seriously the legal aspects of selling images, they will also realize they can't possibly run these risks while selling the images for a pittance as they do now.


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General Stock Discussion / Re: Photo taking in china
« on: November 06, 2012, 00:19 »
Tab62, I have been to Shanghai 3 times for my day job. I am not a world traveler and I think your comments are fairly accurate.  I keep thinking I need to pay my Chinese co-worker to take unpaid vacation and I would pay them the daily wage to be my guide.  I would have a trusted guide with all the needed local skills and, with the exchange rate, still not be out very much American dollars.  Further, he would get to go places and see things (I pay) that are likely not possible on his budget.  Could be a win-win on both fronts.

No, the only way to get local prices down to the last yuan is to have a chinese wife making deals and barganing hard and of course they must not see you around or they will always try asking tourist prices no matter if she's chinese because the logic is that if she's dating a laowai (foreigners) she's rich.

If you don't know the score, you can go a 1000 times to Shanghai and still getting scammed and ripped off, sorry.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Photo taking in china
« on: November 04, 2012, 23:39 »
Hi folks,
Just wrapping up a long photo journey in China! What a place to explore! I carried model and property releases in my camera bag and brought my canon mark 4 itch me plus tripod.  Some tips that might help you if you venture here-

1. Have a translator if you don't speak Chinese - this will keep you from being taken in purchases and not getting lost
2. Have a plan of attack - map out where you want to go and stay on that plan
3.  Bring all your clothing - very expansive here almost 2 to 3 times more expansive that the USA
4  have lots of memory cards. 
5 have a very good camera bag to hike. My bag looks like a regular hiking bag thus no body noticed my equipment
6 do not take tour group trips. They only take you to their places plus force you to go gift shops
7 hire a guide on remote places. They know the spots plus good prices for food as well.

Cheers.  T

What ???

you don't need any guide unless you're really not cut for traveling in asia.

memory cards can be bought pretty much anywhere in china and they're cheaper than anywhere else.

clothing : the only issue might be if you're really tall, in that case it's very hard to find big socks and shoes but for anything else chinese clothes are ok and cheap, just buy any fake north-face jacket/pant/backpack/gloves and you're done.

plan of attack : you don't really need it, china is too big unless you've 1 year of time to travel anywhere, there are guesthouses and hotel everywhere, all you need is a lonely planet guide for the maps (the only useful thing in these guidebooks).

translator : useless unless you're doing a reportage or journalism, however it's a big plus if you learn the chinese numbers to bargain in markets or you WILL be ripped off big time and asked up to 500% more than the normal price.

getting lost : if this is a big issue for you i recommend to stay at home and forget about travel photography, the very first skill required for a good travel photographer is to never get lost...


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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Why is iStockphoto tanking?
« on: November 01, 2012, 13:45 »
This is the real funny thing about indies.  They actively root for the company that pays them less for the work.  It makes no sense.  But then again there is that cheap hooker vs high priced call girl thing.  I know which one I would choose.

Hahaha, and even more funny is you're writing this while selling on micros earning maybe 1$/download.


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In general, most of the posts I've seen show people earning somewhere between 10 cents and $10 per image per month on average across all sites. I think Leafs last poll showed an average of 75 cents per image per month. This isn't specific to SS but since SS seems to be the top earner for most people by far it's probably close. So, if you're making 15 cents per image per month at SS and another 25 to 50 cents a month at all other sites combined you're probably somewhere close to the 75 cent average.

I think one thing that seems to be overlooked by a lot of micro people is profitability.  Micro is a business that frequently gets tagged as a hobby. People work so hard and spend thousands of dollars and end up making enough to buy a dinner a month and may never break even.  So while it's helpful to compare how you're doing against other people, you may want to measure how you're doing as a profitable business.

Performance is affected by saleability of your work, keywording, search algorithms, SEO, and a bunch of other stuff including just plain luck.

Exactly, in a nutshell it's finally becoming an unsustainable business model apart for the top 5-10% contributors who are able to produce both quality and quantity paired with a good workflow.

It doesn't look funny, it's a hard job, no idea why so many newbies still waste time and money on this.

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Alamy.com / Re: Bombshell at Alamy !! New Search Options
« on: October 23, 2012, 04:31 »
from the Alamy CEO blog :

http://www.alamy.com/blog/contributor/archive/2012/10/18/5162.aspx?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_content=&utm_campaign=Resend%20of%20Initial%20CI%20email&utm_term=Contributors


"This is the first step in a longer project to make Alamy the number one choice for the creative industries. We will continue to add new creative content and functionality to our site and in the New Year, we will be unveiling a new look and feel."

So, it seems he's telling us they're finally downplaying their editorial business and driving full force into becoming a creative agency ? What do they have in store for the end of the year ? he's hinting about a new look and new buttons and new options, all designed for Creative buyers, not at all for editorials ...

He also hint that it's just the tip of the iceberg and the project is long term and carefully crafted to target Creatives.

I can't see any good news for us into editorials from all this, and this grand plan sounds too much ambititious for such a small fish like Alamy.

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Alamy.com / Re: Bombshell at Alamy !!
« on: October 22, 2012, 23:54 »
if you're not logged in, BestOf is the default option.

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Alamy.com / Re: Bombshell at Alamy !!
« on: October 22, 2012, 14:35 »
You simply can't trust this agency.

What's next ? This is unacceptable.

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Alamy.com / Re: Bombshell at Alamy !!
« on: October 22, 2012, 09:33 »
They should change their QC policy and stop accepting every snapshot instead of bringing new search based on someone's personal taste.

With time new bold move they basically killed Alamy as a non-edited agency.
Now for every keyword you will soon get dozens of pages of BestOf, anything else will be irrilevant and never sell as the BestOf is now the default search option.

If before it was hard to make a sale over there now it will become impossible.

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Alamy.com / Bombshell at Alamy !! New Search Options
« on: October 22, 2012, 09:08 »
On friday Alamy sent an email to all contributors telling us that from now on the image search will bring BY DEFAULT results picked from their (manually ?) edited selection while the other images will appear after the BestOf ones, that means 10-20 pages for common keywords !

There's a 20 pages thread in the Alamy forum :
http://www.alamy.com/forums/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=14107

Looks like a very cruel step taken by Alamy, this is gonna kill the business of so many photographers there, even the ones with tens of thousands images are reporting no sales since friday !

admin: edited subject to be more descriptive

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Off Topic / Re: Magazine Deathwatch
« on: October 21, 2012, 04:49 »
Time and Newsweek were digging their own grave since a long time.

They can blame the internet and the economic recession but their quality went down the drain and that's why they lost readers little by little.

It's a good news Newsweek is dead, hope the others will follow soon.


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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Why is iStockphoto tanking?
« on: October 08, 2012, 13:38 »
Kartels are unhealthy, and not good for competition and free market mechanismes, ans for "huge production costs".

No, there is always a guy who does not have "huge production costs", mabe because he lives in a cheap country, or maby because he think its fun to invest in photography.
Basically microstock means that all those photogs with high production costs are put out of busines, and  thats fine, exactly because they have high costs, and such pictures get cheaper.

Thats the meaning of competition, and now its global.
We are being croudsourced at the price of a bowl of rice.


It's because of lack of cartels that micro agencies cut each others throat and in 2012 it's not unusual to see 0.2$ sales.

There can't be a fair competition if nobody is enforcing the rules.
And talking about competition,would you like to see a flood of chinese and indian microstockers taking over the industry and selling images for 0.05$ ? Because that's the future.


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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Why is iStockphoto tanking?
« on: October 08, 2012, 13:32 »

Yawn, sigh!! ................... I know, you like threads like this. Very entertaining and intelligent, arent they? have a lot to do with photography, havent they?

Ah yeah, have a cup of tea here, almost forgot.

Stock will never die, and micro is still stock, ranging from cheap to rock bottom.

Assignments and freelancers are things light years away from the average micro customer.
You're comparing apples with oranges.

I could tell you a few things about art galleries selling pure junk shot by so called artists on acid,
And their prints sell like hotcakes, just don't ask me how, to each his own market.


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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Why is iStockphoto tanking?
« on: October 08, 2012, 00:42 »
I think you are exaggerating just a little. I have always found comparable images, at less cost, at other places besides istock. You are correct about the keywording, but I don't find the CV at istock to be any better. One needs to have tutorials (written by third parties) just to use the search on istock.

For "somewhere else" i meant non-stock agencies, sites like Flickr, or crowdsourcing, or freeware or CC licences etc.

I don't know if at IS they're even aware of how much their Search is responsible for the loss of tons of sales.
I would not be surprised if they think to have the best Search in the market.

They may have very good programmers too, but decisions are taken by IT-illiterate executives in the end, usually due to emotive reasons rather than technical, or because they want to grab a promotion or a bonus, and finally because execs tend to think they always know better ....




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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Why is iStockphoto tanking?
« on: October 08, 2012, 00:35 »
Problem with raising the prices in Micro is that if one agency does it, buyers will go to the next cheap agency. All agencies need to raise their prices, but to do that they need to make price agreements which is difficult to achieve and if not done right, it could be illegal (cartel price fixing). However book publishers have done it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_Book_Price_Agreement and also their is something called resale price maintenance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resale_price_maintenance


Yes, there needs to be a sort of "cartel", that's what i mean.

It would be beneficial in many other ways too, buyers must realize and accept we have huge production costs and that micros can no more guarantee to sell images in high quantity as in the past to justify such underpricing.

But i would go even further : in theory, buyers having no other alternatives could even be forced to pay minimum 50$ per image as it's still cheaper and safer than using freeware/CC/public-domain/crowdsourced stuff or assignments.

Can't see the problem, really, all they have to do is billing a few dozen $ more to their customers.
Go in any design agency and the minimum price to do even a simple depliant is hundreds of dollars, where is the issue if their images cost 10$ more ?

It's a non-issue !
And their clients also have no other alternatives as well, either they pay the new prices or they don't get the product they need, simple as that.

I can't believe in 2012 there's this endless talk about 10$ more or 10$ less, it's BS and completely out of reality especially if coming from design agencies.






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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Why is iStockphoto tanking?
« on: October 07, 2012, 15:56 »
Not correct.  Alamy have discounted like crazy and I've read that Getty have as well.

I speak for myself, and unlike many other RM photographers i don't see it as a big issue.

Newspapers are in big sh-it nowadays, and they print and buy a LOT of images every day, i see nothing wrong if they get a special treatment, what's important for RM are the book publishers, brochures, depliants, glossy magazines, calendars, merchandising, that's where it's still paying well as they licence for long term and they often need full page and worldwide distribution, all things newspapers rarely need.


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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Why is iStockphoto tanking?
« on: October 07, 2012, 15:49 »
That's not the point, the cheapest image on alamy (the infamous Novel Use and UK newspapers agreements) is still from 5 to 20$, we're talking of web-sized images, mostly used online, not on paper.

My last sales on Alamy ranged from 15 to 600$ for instance, views and zooms are rising a bit, can't see any decrease in RM sales or lack of demand.

Publishers have certainly been hit hard by the actual recession, many newspapersclosed down, people buy less books, and yet if they need some specific images all they can do is paying RM prices, take it or leave it.

Why for micros it should be different ?
Micro agencies lowered the bar too low in my opinion, this urban legend that clients will run away if an image will cost them 50% more is bollocks in my opinion, it's still as cheap as 15$ rather than 10$ which is nothing for any decent designer and any decent client.

They've no alternatives apart piracy or Flickr or recycling older RF images bought in the past.


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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Why is iStockphoto tanking?
« on: October 07, 2012, 14:49 »
BUT... they had to raise prices, when they lowered commissions.
Else you would have felt it.

So they lovered commisions and raised prices so that we contributors did not make a revolution.


As far as Getty/IS is concerned, contributors are dime a dozen.
They owe us nothing, and we're free to move to greener pastures if we don't like it.

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