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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Stock generative AI reminders
« on: October 04, 2023, 00:22 »
@ Mat Hayward
 
https://stock.adobe.com/search?k=%22japan+web%22

28,968 files NOT identified by checking the box Created using generative AI tools.

And that is just a small amount of "vectors" created by AI which are accepted in a collection without being stated as a AI generated content.
I strongly think that accepting those files on a daily bases , as regular vector files, harms both contributors and buyers.   

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe AI content double standards
« on: October 02, 2023, 10:55 »
I strongly feel that those AI vectors are approved deliberate. 28K of files can't be accepted by mistake.
Even when they are wrongly tagged - not marked as gen AI.

I'm not sure that Mat have seen this post of mine.

P.S. What is also can be seen : more and more "logos" and simple "icons" which are created with AI is accepted in the collection. No need to emphasize that they are also not marked as gen AI.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe AI content double standards
« on: September 30, 2023, 00:38 »
It is all AI generated content.
Vector AI generators export "creations" in SVG file.
That is how that person create such a big number of files.

Any vector creator would prefer to save work as EPS or Ai (adobe illustrator file) .

Anyone who create vectors know that it is impossible to create such number of vectors in such a short time.
Adobe policy that newbies can upload 500 files is the reason why that person use so many accounts.

Anyhow, what I wish to say is that Adobe accept and SELL -  AI generated  files as "vectors" without clear declaration that it is AI generated content.

First of all, it is not fair for vector contributors that their artwork is in the same rank with those  AI "created" files.
It is also not fair toward other contributors which are threatened by those upload pop up window which states that account may be suspended if AI content isn't declared while submission.
Second, aren't that something that can be deceiving buyers ?

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Adobe Stock / Adobe AI content double standards
« on: September 29, 2023, 00:51 »
Can anyone please explain something to me ?

As it is stated in Adobe stock submission guidelines contributors must upload AI generated images as photos and illustrations.
NOT VECTORS.
As they stated those are only two type of files that they are accepting.
Even during file submission that pop-up window threat contributors to check AI generated "work"

So, then...how it is even possible that AI generated vectors can be accepted in a collection ? As far I can see there is more and more of them accepted in a collection.
Not to mention that there are obvious spammers taking over collection by sending tons and tons of AI generated vectors such as this one :

https://stock.adobe.com/images/express-lane-sign-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651729575?asset_id=651729575
https://stock.adobe.com/images/benedict-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651363941?asset_id=651363941
https://stock.adobe.com/images/car-lift-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651359223?asset_id=651359223
https://stock.adobe.com/images/present-ribbon-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651361041?asset_id=651361041
https://sthttps://stock.adobe.com/images/embroidery-hoop-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651360648?
https://stock.adobe.com/images/wheel-vector-icon-in-minimalistic-black-and-red-line-work-japan-web/651360307?asset_id=651360307

And many more....
just type japan web in a search bar ( title is searchable - this spammer add that phrase in each title so he can check what is accepted from which account) than select vectors > most recent
Same style , same look, same AI prompt generations ? But different authors ?
NO.
Same fraud contributor with different accounts spamming collection simply because limit for newcomers is 500 uploads and he/she/them/they have a zillion AI created vectors.
And what is worse part of this is that Adobe accepting this on one side, and threat with ban and closing accounts to fair contributors.

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Adobe Stock / Re: review times??
« on: September 13, 2023, 00:08 »
normal photo: still sitting at 14 days

real photo png: sitting at 29 days

ai photos: around 20 ? days

ai illustration : more than 2 months


There is NO such thing as ai photo.

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You are making me a better ai artist...:)

AI ARTIST ?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

If someone who uses Ai is artist....person with a remote control is movie director.  :) 

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I have been doing this for nearly 20 years.


Woooooow !

Nearly 20 years ?  And your photos still look like they are created with mobile phone for the social media story post : "look what I just eat for breakfast" ?

Well... 

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?????

You are weird

I am pointing out that clearly there is a real human review process and it is not done by ai as many suggest.

And no, I didnt miss a clearly visible logoit was a very subtle problem. It also did not exist on the rest of the batch.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D I am weird ???:D :D :D :D
 Can you please read again what you wrote in previous post, that part about mistakes and "So somebody is clearly working as intended" part  ?
 But this time please use brain too.  :D :D :D 

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The apple logo is so easy to spot, sad.

fwiw today I had an ai image declined, the rest accepted..looked at the file again...the reviewer was right!

It is an easy to fix problem and I resubmitted.

So somebody is clearly working as intended.

So....when you make a mistake by "creating" Ai "work" and not see logo (or whatever mistake) in YOUR OWN file and you even didn't see it while submitting is just a mistake but when reviewer make a mistake it is  clearly intended ?
Or you just have double standards in life ?

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Based on what I'm seeing, Adobe has no interest in weeding out IP problems with the AI collection. There was one image in the "Relevant" sort order, top half of first page, with boxes and the amazon prime logo. That image was no longer available (which begs the question as to why they can't update the search faster), but a whole pile (28 right now) of other images with the logo were still available from the same contributor's portfolio (link removed now the images have been removed).

Whoever removed the one image didn't think to look and see if there were more???

And apple logos are still coming through in new approvals - they are just not bothering. If they can't even shut off the problem with new approvals, why waste our time helping them clean things up in the existing 12+ million?

Edited to add that all 28 of those boxes have been "disappeared".

It seems that Adobe moderation team is based outside USA considering that they are not familiar with Amazon logo.  :) 

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Apple iphone with four fingers

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/hand-holding-smartphone-white-blank-screen-mockup-isolated-on-transparent-background-mobile-phone-png-file-cut-out-generative-ai-digital-art-illustration/611326001?prev_url=detail&asset_id=611326001

the finger could be hiding behind, but this is clearly an iphone and not a generic white screen smartphone


more iphones, tagged as iphone under ai

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/beautiful-iphone-in-front-of-a-white-background-ai-generated/567878817?prev_url=detail

iphone 14 pro max

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/mobile-phone-on-white-background-iphone-14-pro-max-clay-white-blank-mockup/588834254?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/mobile-phone-on-white-background-iphone-14-pro-max-clay-white-blank-mockup/588831408?prev_url=detail

there are over 2000 files with the keyword iphone under ai, but not all images have iphone in them



Then there are those that just have smartphones, but are visible iphones with notch or buttons

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/phone-mockup-in-hand-clipping-path-blank-white-screen-for-web-site-design-app-for-mobile-phone-and-advertisement-office-background-generater-by-ai/601107042?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/a-smartphone-glasses-a-notepad-on-a-table-top-view-mock-up-phone-blank-screen-brown-colors-generative-ai/606257651?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/a-blank-screen-smartphone-mockup-cellphone-frame-with-blank-display-isolated-template-phone-different-angles-views-ai-generative/610580667?prev_url=detail&asset_id=610580667

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/user-interface-experience-ui-ux-web-template-design-app-application-illustration-concept-device-mobile-technology-wireframe-graphic-mockup-network-digital-user-interface-user-expe/573653814?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/a-mobile-phone-on-a-marble-table-ai-generated/609365111?prev_url=detail

more

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/blue-background-for-iphone-featuring-digital-technology-network-generative-ai/595720712?prev_url=detail


this one also has 3d render in the title that we are not supposed to use. and iphone 14 pro

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/new-mobile-iphone-14-pro-all-color-3d-render/530407398?prev_url=detail




this is an illustrative editorial iphone mock up made with ai

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/cairo-egypt-february-8-2021-mockup-of-an-iphone-13-with-a-white-screen-mockup-of-an-iphone-13-with-a-blank-screen-generative-ai/557274891?prev_url=detail

Is this allowed?

I didnt know we could do illustrative editorial with aialthough it could potentially be useful for journalistic articles and general future tech speculations

Actually IT IS ALLOWED. Only thing that is protected / treated as IP with smartphones is circle button on earlier iphone models.

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iron man roboteven says so in the title, how did this one get through?

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/portrait-of-the-iron-man-robot-with-headphones-generative-ai-digital-art-illustration/605398525?prev_url=detail

and more iron man

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/black-iron-man-districtive-look-over-powered-generative-ai/565427513?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/iron-man-illustration/587736515?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/fractal-iron-man/582283009?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/iron-lion-lion-in-iron-man-suite-lion/615324588?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/cinematic-realism-artistic-raw-closeup-of-iron-man-but-m/581438870?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/iron-owl/584292379?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/iron-red/581615366?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/robot-cyborg-soldier/590373376?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/the-strongest-robot-that-is-ready-to-crush-anything-in-its-path-with-generative-ai/609909466?prev_url=detail

https://stock.adobe.com/de/images/the-strongest-robot-that-is-ready-to-crush-anything-in-its-path-with-generative-ai/609909624?prev_url=detail



probably more

there are not millions of them, but I am surprised they go through at all because they are clearly labelled as iron man

more than half of your examples are NOT that I.P. iron man  ;D  but it is nice to see that you finally said something bad about Ai and Adobe  :D

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What the customers buy is favored. As it should be.

Have ever seen bestselling images from the real world in stock?

Usually it is all fake smiles and thumbs up.

And that brings in the money.

If it is so....why don't you do it ? Why don't you create bestselling images from the real world in stock?
Why do you take instagram/fb/social media quality photos of your breakfast/dinner/lunch ?  8)

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Free Collection $5 Payments Are Back
« on: June 27, 2023, 23:39 »
MatHayward,  why for my photo is displayed UNDER REVIEW

The in review slider will be removed tomorrow. The approvals are complete for this wave.

Thank you,

Mat Hayward

Can we now expect this to happen for a vectors / illustrations  ?

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Adobe Stock / Re: Review time
« on: June 26, 2023, 10:13 »
" Submitted last month " -what a pathetic message  :(

I have some files with "Submitted 2 months ago"...

In a funny way I am glad that you wait 2 months.
That "Submitted 2 months ago" of yours state one thing only : that you are Ai "artist" which existence in a stock industry is actually cause of this all review time problem and this whole Ai charade.

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Hi everyone,

I'm announcing a big update in the workflow for those of you submitting generative AI images to Adobe Stock. With the successful launch of the search filter and generative AI display in the customer facing site, we are no longer requiring you add "generative AI" to your title or keywords. Effective immediately, you can stop adding "generative AI" to your title and keywords if you prefer.

It is VERY important you continue to select the "created using generative AI tools" checkbox and that you submit your generative AI content as an illustration. Let me know if you have any questions.

Thank you,

Mat Hayward

Do you realize that no one of AI uploaders is forced to select that option ?
Do you realize  that yellow bar in upload section does nothing to force them to upload AI content as they are pleased to ?
Do you realize that AI content is uploaded even as photos ? And there is nothing to stop AI uploaders to do so ?
Do you realize that AI content is uploaded even as vectors ? And there is nothing to stop AI uploaders to do so ?
Simply look at new photos or vectors in collection, you'll see what I am talking about.
Do you realize that there is various groups on social media that are posting, on daily bases, basically content with how to F**K Adobe  and submit AI content? 
Do you realize how much it is demotivational for your contributors to wait 28 days for moderation and we all know that cause of that is AI pandemic ?
Do you realize how much it is demotivational for your photo/vector/illustration contributors to see that blurry AI "art" with deformed faces and hands are accepted ?
Do you realize how much your AI acceptance with no quality standards harm your photo/vector/illustration contributors ?
And what does MatHayward have to do with it? Does he decide whether or not to accept AI content?
What are you so afraid of, competition? About 10 years ago, stock site databases began to grow, and everyone was screaming that everyone would go bankrupt, that income would fall, etc. Outside the window is 2023, and bases of several tens of millions of content do not greatly affect the income of authors.
At the expense of AI content, which one of the authors does not mark as AI content, well, here on the forum I have already discussed this issue, programs that create AI add this information to the file metadata. As a result, such an author will be banned from Adobe. Not to mention the fact that there will not be many such authors initially.
In short, do not hysteria.  :P ;D

There are two types of contributors, people that play by the rules and people that don't.
It is simple as that.
Problem is that AI "authors" which doesn't play by the rules are NOT , and it seems that they will NOT be, banned from Adobe. Even as this Ai "wild west" upload situation getting worse and worse on daily basis.
I strongly think that Adobe suppose to protect their contributors by punishing those who doesn't play by the rules.

And by the way....If you in that post of mine  found Mat directly and not Adobe...Maybe you should try thinking out of the box.
In short, use brain. :P ;D

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Adobe Stock / Re: Review time
« on: June 25, 2023, 23:39 »
" Submitted last month " -what a pathetic message  :(

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More and more AI content is added to a vector collection ? ???????
How it is possible ? ?????



And Adobe still doesn't punish fraudulent uploaders.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Rejections on adobe
« on: June 24, 2023, 05:23 »
Good to see that Mat is here and well.


P.S.  I am still more and more convinced that Adobe moderation team is full of incompetent people with no previous knowledge about art or photography that "passed" some kind of a week or so training that they received from "experienced" coworkers.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Rejections on adobe
« on: June 23, 2023, 00:29 »
 Have anyone seen Mat Hayward recently ?
 It seems like he disappeared from the forum ?


P.S. Each day I am more and more convinced that Adobe moderation team is full of incompetent people with no previous knowledge about art or photography that "passed" some kind of a week or so training that they received from "experienced" coworkers.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Rejections on adobe
« on: June 22, 2023, 00:19 »
@svh

"But I have a passion, which is photography. I use microstock to understand the value of my photography. Are people willing to buy it or not? I am obviously not in my place there because I only submit photography that I like to shoot and not what the market might actually need. And I am fine with that. It is not my goal to be the best. I am just measuring for myself."

What you are saying is, you are an amateur photographer with no interest to understand the actual needs of the customers.

That is why it is unlikely you will make reliable money from stock.

Stock is a service oriented business, not a self discovery journey. We don't make the content for ourselves, we make it for the customers and their projects.

You come into a professional business forum then proceed to judge and lecture the people that do this for a living.

You might as well enter a forum that supports the techs who sell and repair washing machines. Then proceed to criticize and belittle people while they are actually working.

And you don't even notice how out of place you are.

But we get your kind all the time, usually male, retired, bored and in love with their overpriced camera gear.

Have fun, while you are here, but you will get bored and move on sooner or later.

While we will still be here in 20 years.

eta:

Just as an example

my eyeem port

https://www.eyeem.com/u/cobaltstock

my eyeem lifetime earnings - How did I do that?

Worst part of this business is that so many people call their online images - stock photo portfolio and get accepted by agencies since Shutterstock lowered acceptance standard.
While it is basically social media posts lookalike images about their breakfast, lunch, dinner with keywords.
10 years ago that content would be rejected with a shovel. 

P.S. That lifetime earnings  many people from this forum earn in a month so there is no point for trying to brag with it.
       It just states that you are interested in nothing else but the money which was obvious before, with your AI content advocating and so many posts about that on
       this forum.     
P.S.S. How did they do that ? By submitting quality stock content, not just random snack images.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Rejections on adobe
« on: June 20, 2023, 00:29 »

 It seems that Adobe recently change the way of submitted content moderation  8)

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Adobe Stock / Re: Review time
« on: June 20, 2023, 00:16 »
New record: 30 days review time.

It's getting worse and worse.....I almost have feeling that I am throwing my work in a well.

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