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« on: January 31, 2024, 16:30 »
Hello,
GPT-4 allows you to create a custom version of chatGPT for a specific purpose. I created a custom chatGPT called "Stock Footage Keyword Export". In this chatGPT, I uploaded all the guidelines from various agencies in pdf format, which relate to best practices in keywording, writing titles and descriptions, etc.
I instructed the chatGPT to provide me with 50 keywords and a title for every photo I upload. When I upload a photo from a screen grab, the chatGPT gives me a basic title with many relevant and less relevant keywords. I choose the most relevant keywords and still use other tools such as Wikipedia or SS Keyword tool to find more keywords.
I've attached a screenshot of an example for your reference.
To customize your GPT, I recommend using this comprehensive metadata guide from Adobe Stock https://adobestock.adobe.com/Metadata-Field-Guide.html
Cheers,
Daniel
Thanks for the idea. Have seen today some user on reddit, who linked to some self built key word tools with ChatGPT4. I am currently considering other areas of possible applications and may take a subscription in future. Does AI use stop words or ignore them? Does punctuation have any value? Why do I see prompts that have things like f11:10 on the end? What does that mean?
I'd like to know what actually matters, instead of just throwing out words and having some random seed start to make a image that's using some of that and ignoring other parts.
Anyone have a guide?
I've tried a number of times, just for an example, to get SDXL to make "A cow jumping over the Moon" Never one, it puts in a cow, on the moon, over a moon background, all kinds of things, but not a cow, above the moon or jumping over it. DALL-E does better but low quality output.
There is basically a prompt syntax for stable diffusion. - Type of shot (portrait, full body, from behind, macro, etc.) - Description of the subject - Possibly control of the depth of field by means of aperture specification or e.g. "bokeh", "shallow depth of field". Mostly with f1.8 or f2.0. Focal length of objects can also be specified, but in my opinion it has no great influence, rather directly control the portrait type such as Extreme Close Up, Close Up, Medium Shot, Full Shot, etc. - Additional information e.g. on foreground, background, colors, (rarely also composition, image harmony) - For portraits, additional information on the facial expressions / gestures of the person (smiling, laughing, sad, angry, etc.) Weighting works via bracketing. Square brackets [] reduce the weighting, round brackets () increase the weighting. Commas and periods play a role in separating information and content. Commas are light and periods are strong separators. However, this is actually very similar to normal punctuation when writing texts. The same applies to the negative prompts. With LORAS (fine adjustment models), additional weighting can be applied, e.g. with<lora:sdxl_photorealistic_slider_v1-0:1> the number after : In addition, the images can be further fine-tuned via the number of steps (iterations) and the guidance scale. With higher settings, the images generally become more detailed, but the prompts must be formulated very precisely. Basically, I don't think much of controlling the type of image in the standard model by specifying "photorealistic", "artistic", "surreal", etc. Instead, you should use this in combination with specially optimized models (see https://civitai.com/models). I believe that open source Stable Diffusion can beat Midjourney in the long term because of the huge developer community and extreme flexibility. But it's currently really pain in the ass to find right settings, which deliver good results.
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« on: January 31, 2024, 03:26 »
@cobalt
I thought about it again today.
I created a few (about a dozen) illustrations (mainly vector logos and stuff like that) back in 2012/2013 as a student. I knew back then that there were no logos for dentists, car saling, etc.
I just knew, well this gonna sell well. And that's what happend, after just a few weeks there were regular sales. It worked just as you described.
I had earned approx 10k USD within a few years. Doesn't sound much, but I think it's quite a lot for a dozen files and 300 - 400 USD / month it was a nice additional income for a student
I wanted to get back into microstock with AI for fun after more than 10 years. I don't think the market works like that anymore. The oversupply has made it feel like a lottery. Even many of the niches are oversaturated.
I am not sure if old established contributors can feel the market change or if they are simply still carried by their old good rankings.
I'm currently still seeing more sales of my old stuff from 2013/2014.
My strategy with AI would be to choose a popular and oversaturated subject and press the seed button until one get a composition, color harmony, so one can be sure that it is better than the new current best AI images.
I simply don't believe that analyzing the market niches is actually profitable anymore in the long term.
I would say to all newcomers, just do it for fun and shut the f*** up without whining or do something else.
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« on: January 30, 2024, 18:07 »
Oh ok, now, thanks to you, I feel like a millionaire!  as a traditional photographer, of course.
I'm glad to have cheered you up ;-) Thanks everybody. I've been shooting stock photography for some 15 years now, the main micros, Alamy and Getty Images. I just got really bored with it a few years ago and disgusted at how my income was falling every year. So during the pandemic I started an Etsy store selling fine art prints. Not a huge money make but picking up some slack from lower earning from stock. I recently started a second Etsy store selling "art" (using that term very loosely) from generated AI, MidJourney. Travel posters and other stuff. Those AI images are selling OK, but Etsy isn't a get rich quick scheme for most although some of the stores selling AI art have impressive sales in a short time. Anyhoo, I've been pondering AI stock and thought I'd get some feedback. Thanks again.
I had also thought about an Etsy store, especially I saw that baby posters and other baby print products seem to be quite lucrative. At least the margin seems to be not bad at all. I've even set up a store and uploaded some designs, but I'm still looking for POD providers that I can integrate.
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« on: January 30, 2024, 14:54 »
Same here. Earning currently 10 USD / month with a port of approx. 500 images (ok, just only approx 40 to 50 various topics).
Wow Hem, why not go to the street, hold out your hand for an hour, and you will have at least the same amount. Are you a child living with your parents? Are you doing this to keep yourself busy?
Yep, absolutely legitimate question. Well actually I do this currently just for fun in the late nights (until 2 or 3 a.m.), when my daughter fell asleep in the evening and my wife is either sleeping too or doing her stuff. For the living I have a well paid main job.
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« on: January 30, 2024, 11:08 »
You do research over all agencies on subject themes that you understand very well.
If for instance, you have a beautiful garden and love gardening and especially caring for roses, then you can do test searches over all agencies what kind of content is available, and what kind of very useful content is missing? If you understand a subject well, you see the missing content very, very easily.
Or you look for a certain region. It can be your home region or maybe your favorite tourist spot you visit every year.
what kind of food images from the region are missing? What kind of typical festivals have not been documented? What kind of favorite resting places of a hike has nobody uploadedetc..
You are a medical doctor or nurse? Check medical content and you will notice one million things missing
You are a chef or love to cook? What kind of new trendy food styles has nobody done yet?
You are a carpenter, a body builder, a librarion, an IT guylook at your genre, what is missing - everywhere?
Often you can reinvent popular genre by just doing something a little different.
The buyers who understand the genre will notice and be grateful.
etc
The gaps in the agency collections are gigantic, because most people just sort by downloads and then copy the top 20 files as identical as possible.
The libraries are endlessly bloated with duplicates.
Pick a theme you understand well and love and shoot away.
In theory this sounds great and makes sense. But in praxis your are limited currently by the AI models (you can't generate accurate some topics like medicine stuff, or places it takes to long to find a random seed, which generates a satisfying result). I also think that most buyers aren't thankful for great content. They just want a fast and cheap result like fastfood.
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« on: January 30, 2024, 11:03 »
Having done it for a while,
a) Yes, you can make some income. b) If you get "lucky" (some of your images take off) then you can make what some would consider to be a good income.
I'm not quite yet sure what the magic formula is for (b) yet... I've seen some people that have images similar to mine really take off, and no idea why my nearly equivalent ones didn't... As far as I can tell, I have good keywording, good titling, good images... So I don't know - it seems to be a little bit of luck/right timing/etc to get an image to take off. I did personally have a couple that did relatively well, but others, not yet as well...
So... if you are playing around with it, sure, go for it. But... if you are looking to make more than a couple hundred $$/month - you probably have your work cut out for you.
Same here. Earning currently 10 USD / month with a port of approx. 500 images (ok, just only approx 40 to 50 various topics). I still haven't figured out which AI content is selling good. I can't recognize a pattern in my port. If I sort the most downloaded AI images on Adobe I can't recognize a pattern either.
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« on: January 30, 2024, 10:54 »
For example, I am currently trying to generate authentic culture-specific portraits. The repetitive is sometimes even desired. I would say this is still the lowest beginner level and can be extended. I have given ChatGPT some examples of how the prompt should be constructed with a description of the person, culture and landscape in the background. These are two following generated prompts and generated images in Stable Diffusion. (raw images are from the first run and must either be adjusted in Stable Difussion by variations or manually retouched after upscaling). Keywords: african female, authentic dressed, backdrop sunset savannah Prompt: Detailed close up of an African woman adorned with a traditional headwrap, symbolizing humble beauty against the backdrop of an African savanna with a breathtaking sunset. The scene captures the essence of cultural richness and natural splendor, celebrating the woman's grace and connection to her heritage. Image: https://ibb.co/brF4dxzKeywords: spanish female, authentic dressed, dancing flamenco, backdrop madrid sunset Prompt: Detailed Close Up of an elegant, traditionally dressed Spanish woman passionately dancing Flamenco in front of madrid city against the backdrop of a breathtaking sunset. The scene captures the cultural richness and emotive beauty of Flamenco, blending the artistry of dance with the captivating hues of the evening sky. Image: https://ibb.co/ZYf4dhWI currently need about 1 day to generate a certain set-up (approx. 30 to 40 images), sort them out manually and retouch them. That leaves me with about 10 to 15. I try to generate daily up to 5 max 8 set-ups, so about approx. 50 to max. 120 final images a day. In the meantime I prepare the following prompts. Currently it is still a very manual and multi tasking task. But I currently earn a maximum of 10 USD / month with it. I still have almost 800 images in review on Adobe ...
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« on: January 30, 2024, 08:59 »
I actually use ChatGPT currently to create prompts. I usually get inspired by an interesting photo/image, write a brief description or some keywords of the content/topic and then rephrase it via ChatGPT. This saves a lot of time and increases productivity. Sometimes I even create new and better image compositions.
My perception is also that the more extensive the prompts, the more detailed images can be created with a higher prompt guidance scale in Stable Diffusion. It's crap to use keywords like "higly detailed", "photorealistic", blablabla, etc. in prompts.
As Evaristo tenscadisto has already written, it makes sense to create templates with short, specific instructions. Sometimes, for example, I only paste in 3 to 5 keywords and create a detailed prompt because ChatGPT knows from previous example descriptions and specifications how I would write the prompts myself. As a power user, you could certainly try to automate the whole thing.
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« on: January 30, 2024, 05:51 »
The problem with hands is, not all hands are flat out, four fingers spread, and a thumb. Some are holding things, some are pointing, some are shaking hands or holding hands. At that point and add variations of how many angles or fingers showing, the AI doesn't understand what a hand consists of, since there's no way to know the exact situation, and how many fingers are supposed to be there? We get the monsters.
Hands are an extremely complex human organ. Extremely flexible, linked to non-verbal language that goes "hand in hand" with facial expressions and body gestures. AI would therefore have to be taught anatomy, gestures combined with language and emotions. This is roughly what a human learns over the course of decades through day-to-day communication and social context. But for simple static AI image generation, you probably only need gigabytes of hand images. But for AI videos ... this might be a very long way.
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« on: January 29, 2024, 05:47 »
copyright watermarks are often added as a design element by the ai. same with signatures.
they are trained on watermarked images and images with signatures, so it thinks this is a normal part of pictures.
which again shows the ai has no intelligence and is just pixel mixer machine.
Exactly this. The AI model learned that the copyright signature is just a part of the image (some pixel patterns of the image), which is labeled with keywords in vector spaces. When you use these keywords in the prompt it can happen that the AI generator will reconstruct a part of the trained image with it's copyright signature. It is therefore obvious that unlicensed material was used for the training. I even had once a half watermark from a photo agency with the normal SDXL model from Stable Difussion. I had tried to generate a woman practicing yoga in her living room. I generally see a high risk with open source AI generators, where every private user can train their own models with their own content (see civitai community). There is no guarantee that the user has actually used licensed material. In the end, it's all about the extent to which works protected by copyright can be reconstructed. That alone is the most important point. If one wanted, one could optimize the calibration quality of every model so that no overfitting occurs. That would be one of the possible legal restrictions. But of course, this would have a negative impact on quality. I therefore see only small chances of a successful lawsuit against Midjourney or Stable Diffusion. It will simply be passed on to the users that they themselves are responsible for the copyright infringements.
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« on: January 28, 2024, 19:32 »
Yuri gave great examples of how he works, how they do their research and how extensive and authentic the post production is. For instance with tech images that show overlayed computer code, they actually have code written by real software people.
When they do team sports images, they actually design the team clothes specifically for the shooting, they work with a lot of authentic locations etcit is very, very impressive how much attention to detail goes into his work.
I wonder what his annual production costs were to generate all his microstock photos and clips?
I would say that the costs were astronomically high, but they were worth it in the good old days. I once found a blog article from the well-known German microstock photographer Robert Kneschke from 2008, in which he writes that he had a seminar with him in cooperation with Fotolia. The statement from Yuri was that he had earned between 25 and 50k (!) with a single photo shoot with about 100 photos. In 2013, Kneschke had written another article in which the information was that Yuri had hired over 100 employees with a huge photo studio at the time and already needed 30 months to refinance his photo shoots. That was the reason why he opened his own agency back then. But in any case, no aspiring amateur would make it that far today up to this pro level because the earnings are only a fraction of what they were back then.
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« on: January 28, 2024, 18:23 »
... But if you pick out special subjects, e.g. photorealistic wildlife shots of animals, of which there were obviously not that many used for the training, it sometimes happens (at least with Stable Diffusion) that you discover blurred copyright labels in the corner of the image. So if the AI would generate complete new images than copyright symbols should not appear. The AI image generators currently have no ability to abstract like a human and create new things by itself. It's only morphing of pictures. ...
one source of the copyright is not taken from 1 image but from the multiple copies of that image on free sites.
once again, AI doesn't 'morph' pictures - the billions of images are each broken into many small matrices and transformed before being saved. then images are created de novo, starting with a completely randomized 'image' & making many thousands of passes as that new image slowly emerges. you can get an idea of how this proceeds by watching the midjourney cevelopment
Well, it's not that easy as it looks at the first glance. I took sometime ago a rough look at the papers of the models. Where we can agree is that not the original images are "morphed", but the image informations as a stochastic distribution of pixels and patterns / noise. This image information is linked to text information in vector spaces so that text inputs (prompts) can recursively reconstruct images using learned image informations (e.g. difussion models). Whether the original images, which were used to train the AI, can be reproduced completely or at least very closely depends heavily on the calibration quality of the model. If there is an overfitting, the original images can be reproduced very closely. The latest version of Midjourney, for example, has this problem. There was once a news tech article about that movie scenes from Marvel movies were reproduced almost completely by referencing the movies in prompts.
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« on: January 28, 2024, 07:44 »
While I don't agree with SuperPhoto on everything (some of it sounds like a conspiracy to me), I have to agree with him that the AI image generators actually use real images to create new ones. This is done by morphing from many learned images.
In 99% of cases you don't notice it, especially with very generic subjects, of which an extremely large number have been used. Here, the morphing makes it unrecognizable and makes you believe that the AI is creating completely new images on its own.
But if you pick out special subjects, e.g. photorealistic wildlife shots of animals, of which there were obviously not that many used for the training, it sometimes happens (at least with Stable Diffusion) that you discover blurred copyright labels in the corner of the image. So if the AI would generate complete new images than copyright symbols should not appear. The AI image generators currently have no ability to abstract like a human and create new things by itself. It's only morphing of pictures.
@SuperPhoto I would argue that a conspiracy on a political level happens not in every corner of the world. I don't know what it's like in the USA. I live in Germany and can't see any political leadership, strategy or conspiracy at all. The country is only living off the substance of the last few decades and is slowly going down the drain.
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« on: January 27, 2024, 09:31 »
But as I already wrote, your subscription is very expensive. In order for your subscription to generate good income, go to the pricing scheme of envato or storyblocks.
Wow you seem to be a real pro economist. So I suppose you upload all your images to Unsplash and receive unlimited money in return? Or are you just an image buyer trolling these stock contrib forums?
D'accord. It only makes sense for extreme power contributors with already produced 100k+ videos. Then the sheer mass outweighs the low price. But if I'm a creative amateur starting from the scratch, then I need enough revenues for new in-demand props, models, travel locations, better equipment, etc. Otherwise, it's a loss-making business right from the start.
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« on: January 26, 2024, 14:55 »
To be honest, our politicians are completely overwhelmed by such a complex topic. Checking the input for copyright infringements is totally pointless. It can be hidden.
What matters is the output. Because this determines whether copyright or other infringements occur. This is exactly where regulation needs to go deep.
It would make sense to regulate the developers in the prompt input. e.g. works of art protected by copyright may not be imitated by the artists through the input, political persons may not be led to deepfakes, etc.
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« on: January 26, 2024, 04:51 »
Isn't the solution to start uploading 8k for the pros?
I mean it is the way things evolve, while hd is still usable, many now prefer 4k, Adobe is reacting to that by making 4k the mainstream choice.
I am not a video pro, but my personal opinion or choice would be to focus on the higher quality for the new situation.
I am still uploading a mix of 4k and hd, but as soon as I can afford a simple 8k camera, I will focus on that.
Or is that a silly idea?
I don't know if it makes sense in the microstock market. Maybe highly professional video recording for TV commercials but that's a different league. I think the same could have been said for images years ago. The pros should just buy a 100mp Hasselblad for 10k and then it's the solution. No it wasn't. It's like cracking a nut with a sledgehammer. They should have just limited the subscription model to small resolutions years ago. Most of the content is used online anyway. What is happening again is simply a price war on the backs of the contributors in order to gain market shares. I had first considered entering the video market, but that no longer makes any economic sense. Good videos are much more expensive and take longer time to be produced than pictures. In max. 3 years, videos will be also sold for 99 cents everywhere. If AI video generation is well developed by then, I would get in, but not before.
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« on: January 21, 2024, 19:28 »
Where is the representative from shutterstock here on the forum? Maybe we should invite them. Let them tell you why video sales and video income began to decrease.
They closed their forums and made it clear they dont want to talk to us.
They used to have great team, not anymore.
In their financial statements they keep promoting how they are turning the company to be a data licensing company and are already making 20 million a quarter with ai licensing versus 80 million for stock sales which have not increased.
Interesting, Shutterstock signed a 6-year training data agreement with OpenAI. Since OpenAI has also signed a partner ship with newspaper publishers, such as Axel Springer, it is very likely that OpenAI want to play it safe and have alternate data resources in case they lose the lawsuit against New York Times and some artists.
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« on: January 21, 2024, 11:34 »
When submitting AI assets to Adobestock, do folks classify as "Photos" or "Illustration"?
I would think if the image is truly "photorealistic" than it would be classed as "photo", otherwise "illustration"? There is definitely a large "grey area". What have folks been doing in this regard?
Yes, there is currently definitely a gray area. There is an official guideline from Adobe with examples of images, but it is not clear when exactly the category for photos no longer applies. https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/generative-ai-content.htmlI would also assume that the AI Images have to be really photorealistic to be classified as photos. For illustrations I would say e.g. for surreal illustrations, collages, obviously 3D content, etc.
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« on: January 20, 2024, 06:13 »
Interesting that they are obviously using new reasons for rejection, but again they are written in a very generic way.
How many images have been rejected? Do you have metadata with keywords in it that could be misinterpreted as generative content?
I would possibly edit the image(s) (increase saturation, etc.) and re-upload again. In the past, I've often had success with images being then accepted.
But it's probably best to ask the question in the Discord community.
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« on: January 20, 2024, 04:07 »
80%
Yeah, currently you can try to spot small details. On frames blurry logos or blurry earrings. Sometimes minimal blurry teeth or look for sharp reflections in the eyes, which can't be generated as good as real ones.
But sometimes it is even missleading. The brunette woman for example had blurry and I guess different earrings. I would say it is AI generated but they say it's a real photo. Perhaps it's a mistake.
In the near future, we will no longer have any chance of distinguishing between AI images and real photos without AI help.
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« on: January 19, 2024, 12:07 »
Is https://dam.everypixel.com working for you? I always get a generic error and can't rid of the pop-up window which want me to create a new project.
Both the upload and AI keywording worked. But I have not tried the release to the stock agencies. Would be great if one could use 3 GB for free.
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« on: January 19, 2024, 09:08 »
I would say that the main focus is on editorial content. If you can quickly deliver images on current media topics (especially business, politics), you will certainly be in demand by many local online newspapers and magazines (Focus, Handelsblatt, FAZ, Sddeutsche, Spiegel, Wirtschaftswoche, etc.).
I remember for example that a lot of pictures about the insolvency of Signa Holding came from Imago Images.
The sale provisions seems to be quite fair with 50%. However, I have no experience with the agency myself.
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« on: January 19, 2024, 05:52 »
Just googled the agency. Seems to be a small german agency. Don't know what to think about them. They have sent out a lot of copyright warnings. I think that's their primary source of income and not the actual sale of images. I would rather recommend the german agency https://www.imago-images.de/. I often see local news in Germany licensing images from them.
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