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General Stock Discussion / Re: Is it legal or not?
« on: June 19, 2015, 22:44 »
I believe Fotolia allows API users to offer POD and then buy a regular license each time a print is purchased (i.e. no EL required).
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General Stock Discussion / Re: Is it legal or not?« on: June 19, 2015, 22:44 »
I believe Fotolia allows API users to offer POD and then buy a regular license each time a print is purchased (i.e. no EL required).
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Adobe Stock / Re: Introducing Adobe Stock!« on: June 19, 2015, 10:16 »Has anyone been able to find the license terms for AS? I was going to ask in the session, but then I got booted. Agreed. Very plainly written - meaning it is (for the most part) easy to know what you can and can't do. It could use an editor to clean it up (for example "These Terms does not effectuate any sale of the work.") Here is the general terms of use agreement (that points to various "Additional Terms" documents, including the above): https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html There is a section in the additional terms, 3.3, about social media use and it describes works being designated as "Social Media Enabled" with copyright information being visibly embedded in the work. I looked at some images on Adobe Stock but couldn't see anything marked as Social Media Enabled. Does anyone know any more about this? It's nice to see someone trying to tackle the issue of using stock images on social media without effectively giving them away as a result. They have a FAQ which includes the following response to a question about whether Adobe Stock is available to CC for enterprise customers: "Adobe Stock is not currently available for Creative Cloud for enterprise customers." Wouldn't that be potentially the most interesting market for stock photos? Where the most volume is? In answer to the question about video, the FAQ notes that they hope to add it soon, but there's no "stay tuned" note for this. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I'd think this was an area they'd want to address pronto. 2679
Adobe Stock / Re: Introducing Adobe Stock!« on: June 18, 2015, 15:10 »Maybe this is a bit too alarmist? http://www.zacks.com/stock/news/178678/is-the-adobe-stock-launch-bad-news-for-shutterstock I saw that and concluded that the writer didn't seem to know much about the business stock agencies were in. The general idea - a strong competitor with deep pockets going after Shutterstock's business caused a dip in SS's stock price - made sense, but that was about it. Interesting that Getty wasn't mentioned at all as a competitor but Google Images was (is he trying to say that stealing is competition for those who license images for money?). Also interesting was this quote - even though it's bollocks - the rates are not top of the market, just a bit better than before: "Moreover, in order to encourage photographers and designers to contribute content to Adobe Stock, the company has assured that it will offer top-of-the-market rates, thus pulling in content providers." 2680
General Stock Discussion / Re: Some optimism would be nice« on: June 17, 2015, 20:01 »
I think the same people who were very bullish when things were going well are bear-ish when agencies are behaving badly towards contributors. Personal squabbles are just noise and they've always been around - tune that out.
Ignoring a negative track record, relying on the word of an agency and being much worse off as a result wouldn't seem to be a smart way to approach a new venture, even as a part time thing. Your enthusiasm and optimism will help you build a portfolio, but it's worth learning about the business you're embarking on. Have the common sense to realize that you can't understand other people's reactions to a decade of experiences you haven't had. 2681
General Stock Discussion / Re: Stock Image Revenue Will Decline« on: June 17, 2015, 19:53 »
Lots of assumptions that I would guess are way wide of the mark - in a way that makes Adobe's ability to convert SS's customers much harder.
1) The companies who like subscriptions are those with budget folks who want certainty. Even if you download 10 images most of the time, what about the few months when you want more? The subscription eliminates all the budget surprises and overhead of seeking extra funds for exceptions. Not to mention the business team subscriptions (I assume SS introduced those because of user requests). Central control over how many subs each team gets and how many seats you have a license for 2) The point everyone else has made is that other than Adobe's watermarked comps are larger, there's no real difference from anywhere else. Also, with SS's corporate deals, although they've refused to disclose license terms, they have said that one of the benefits clients get is unwatermarked comps while only paying for what they use in the final pieces. 3) Do some searches on Adobe and SS for a variety of terms (and get a bit specific so you're not looking at hundreds of thousands in both cases. Adobe just doesn't have the coverage SS does - and that's even for photos. No footage on Adobe for the time being. The minute you start buying multiple places, the complexity (budget and digital asset management) goes up again - the very thing companies want to avoid. As I understand it, Adobe's management of digital assets will only apply to things purchased from them, so they don't have a simple workflow any more if they have to buy things other places. 4) Integration with Adobe products of the choice and purchase of stock images is nothing like as big a win as it would have been once - managing the assets is hard and important, but the act of selecting and downloading really isn't, especially if your DAM is WebDAM and you've organized around it already (and I don't know much about how widely used that product is; they say they're the leading DAM but that could mean 50 customers if that segment hasn't really taken off). Alamy had a go at trying to manage this problem - multiple departments buying the same thing and tracking who had a license for which images - and I don't know how well they did, but they're not the leading agency (except perhaps for UK newspapers). Given that users have apparently been managing to buy and download their stock images/illustrations/videos for over a decade without integration with Photoshop/Illustrator/InDesign, it's not at all clear to me that they'll just drop what they've been doing and run to a new provider because of a built in search and some asset management for some of their assets. 2682
Adobe Stock / Re: Introducing Adobe Stock!« on: June 17, 2015, 10:40 »
It seems to me that regular buyers of images, illustrations, audio & video (particularly companies as opposed to freelancers or very small businesses) will already have some way of managing their assets. And the end users of Photoshop, Illustrator, etc. will typically not be the decision makers but some other group in the company that pays the bills and manages budgets.
Offering to centralize digital asset management along with your subscriptions to Adobe CC software would make sense if you didn't currently have any management, or (assuming Adobe's was better) you could manage all your assets with them - including assets acquired elsewhere. Offering to manage only some media types or only items acquired through Adobe leaves a company looking at two solutions or sticking with what they currently have. The other issue is people having annual subscriptions or other long term commitments with their current stock supplier (and I highly doubt that there's any big new pool of users to tap just because they now have a choice of Adobe as a supplier of stock images and illustrations). At the very least, companies will have to wait out their current term - which gives the other agencies some time to figure out how to try to retain their customers (assuming they've realized they need to do that; let's hope). The larger previews will be a draw. Automatic changeout for the purchased image, keeping cropping, scaling, rotation or text overlays should be a plus (I assume this is using some flavor of smart object?). The reduced choice, particularly comparing with Shutterstock, will be a drawback. I did a few searches yesterday at both agencies and Shutterstock has many more options for the searches I tried. And in searches producing only several hundred results or fewer, the differences become even more pronounced (and I did photo only searches to eliminate the media Adobe doesn't handle). I'm one of those forced to watch from the sidelines (Fotolia wouldn't have me back as a contributor after my iStock exclusivity ended) so perhaps my perspective is skewed, but I don't see the convenience or the asset management as being enough of a draw to pull buyers away from Shutterstock. The other very good piece of news though is that Adobe will no longer be advertising Dollar Photo Club - de-emphasizing that over time could mean that it can quietly go away at some future point. That would be very good news for all contributors. 2683
123RF / Taxation on U.S. Source Earnings from 123RF« on: June 17, 2015, 10:01 »
Just received e-mail this morning from 123rf saying that starting July 1 2015 they will withhold tax on US based downloads based on country of residence.
I just went to the site and found the tax center (I didn't click on the link in the e-mail just in case it was phishing) and submitted my online W9 (I'm a US resident) and it seemed to go as expected. Just posting here so that if someone didn't (for whatever reason) get the e-mail they can log in over the next couple of weeks and take care of the paperwork In the "For Contributors" section at the bottom of website pages there's a new Tax Center link http://www.123rf.com/tax/index.php 2685
General Stock Discussion / Re: Warning about Demotix« on: June 15, 2015, 17:58 »...Demotix rejected my right to sell the images, but immediately distributed them through their syndicates all over the world, who obviously paid them. That seems like fraudulent conversion to me. Although you don't know that Demotix was paid by the end user, even if they made it available for free they have no legal right to do this (I take it you didn't give them this right as part of the artist agreement?). Assuming you didn't, it is certainly unethical and potentially both actionable and criminal. Even if you don't expect to get paid, I'd strongly recommend writing something detailed to Claire Keeley, Corbis's VP & General Counsel http://corporate.corbis.com/uk/about-us/leadership/ This exposes Corbis to lawsuits of all sorts (even if not from you) and I'd think she'd want to know about what Demotix is doing so she can put a stop to it. 2686
Stocksy / Re: Stocksy images for sale at CreativeMarket - Royalties?« on: June 14, 2015, 12:11 »...What I dont get is that the Stocksy packages are for sale for a lot of money. The pineapple pack cost $1300. If were a buyer, and bought that pack for that kind of money, I would be outraged over the poor quality. Stocksy shouldnt want to sell that. I can't imagine anyone on CM paying $1,300 or $2,800 (flower bundle) for anything, so possibly there'd be no outrage in practice? I did once download a freebie photo pack (several months back) from Creative Market and the quality didn't look great from the thumbnails, but I thought I'd see what the 100% view looked like. The bundle was uniformly dreadful - but it was free, so no harm done. What surprised me was a pile of comments saying "wow - great pictures" and "how useful" and other compliments. Perhaps people were just being nice? Perhaps the pixel peeping that the micro agencies have trained us to do isn't something buyers care about? 2687
General Stock Discussion / Re: Warning about Demotix« on: June 14, 2015, 12:06 »
That sounds like a complete mess.
I had never heard of Demotix, but I went to look at their site and noted at the bottom that they're owned by Corbis http://www.demotix.com/blog/shout/1596138/demotix-acquired-by-corbis Have you considered writing up something and complaining to Corbis? They may not sell much but they're not a fly-by-night outfit and probably would care about their reputation enough to make this right 2688
General Stock Discussion / Re: microstock industry longevity« on: June 13, 2015, 11:25 »
I have no crystal ball to answer your original question - no one can, IMO. Things have changed from 2004 (when I started selling microstock) to now; talk to people submitting to the pre-microstock stock agencies and they'll tell stories of change too.
I think things will keep changing and the real trick - as for musicians trying to make a living or even Uber drivers trying to figure out how not to get hosed by Uber - is how to make sure that the people supplying the content (us) get fairly compensated. You can look around on MSG for the details of various fights with the agencies over changes that have enriched them at our expense (Dollar Photo Club at Fotolia and the boycott last year over that as an example; the Getty/Google deal from 2013 as another). The agencies play hardball (ask Sean Locke about that). In spite of a number of people trying to organize a strong contributor response, we're too diverse, dispersed and distracted to mobilize in a way that forces the agencies to behave. You can read more of my thoughts on that and links to some history here. Without our content, the agencies don't have a business. Without their storefront, we don't have an effective way to license our work. As long as buyers need images, illustrations and other media, there'll be a need for what we produce. The real issue is the tug of war between agencies and contributors, and the stronger an agency gets, the less well they behave to contributors. 2689
General Stock Discussion / Re: Agency Significantly Owned by Contributors« on: June 12, 2015, 10:40 »
The email from September said they hoped to be admitted to AIM by the end of 2014. Now they hope "...as early as August..." (2015 I assume)
Not clear what the delay is or why they think that now things will move forward when before they didn't. Wouldn't you have expected some sort of explanation of the delay? I couldn't become an investor even if I wanted to (which I don't) because I'm outside the EU, but this feels more like PicturEngine (lots of promises but nothing much ever came of it) 2690
New Sites - General / Re: Are "low Earner" microstocks worth uploading ?« on: June 11, 2015, 15:38 »
I know this has been touched on in other replies, but do look carefully at any partner deals, whether they'll give you a list of partners vs. consider it a secret, and what the compensation is on partner sales. You also want to know if you can delete images yourself or if that's a function reserved for the agency.
If I made $50 from a new agency in royalties - say over 6 months - I might be encouraged (if those sales are growing over time) or furious (if they were partner sales and the buyer paid $500 of which $450 went to a distributor and the agency and only the leftover crumbs to me). Veer - as an example - has partners (they won't give you a list but when you find a site you can generally work out where the images came from) who charge higher prices than Veer (by quite a lot) but you as a contributor get just your "standard" royalty as if the buyer had purchased from Veer. I don't like the notion that I'm getting ripped off and so is the buyer. Most of the agencies from which I have deleted my portfolio have handled things professionally, but albumo was a nightmare (and I had passed the one year lockin). I was changing my descriptions to say that this agency was refusing to communicate and please buy my images at dreamstime.com just to get them to delete my portfolio! All things being equal, I prefer the option to delete my own files in case an agency won't respond. Don't compare uploading anywhere to uploading at iStock - only Veer even comes close to the pain in the butt that iStock was (Veer/Corbis also has the millstone of a controlled vocabulary around their proverbial neck). 2691
Site Related / Re: Agree not agree« on: June 10, 2015, 10:41 »If we get rid of it we will end up having to scroll through loads of '+1' posts. The primary value of the Heart icon/up arrow/Agree is keeping threads easier to digest. Huge quotes of a prior post with +1 added at the end happened a lot prior to the heart button and threads became unreadable after a few pages of that. I don't like a lot of what Facebook has done with their interface but the like feature with the ability to see who liked a post is helpful. I'm assuming that's not possible with the current forum software. I think the Disagree function causes more problems than the value it adds. The cumulative scoring also means that you can theoretically end up with posts that generated a ton of polarized likes/dislikes with just a +1 or a -1 when many people felt strongly for or against a point of view. I'd vote for ditching the negative vote and keeping the positive one (and I thought the heart or up arrow were fine and less visually distracting than a word). 2692
General Stock Discussion / Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?« on: June 10, 2015, 09:50 »Stocksy giving away $9000 value for $39? No idea whether it will work or not, but surely the only explanation is marketing - raising awareness of the agency hoping to covert purchasers of the bundle to buyers of other works directly from Stocksy. At the prices Stocksy's collections have on CM, the bundles seem to be unlikely to sell. You don't mind a few images you won't use in a $30 or $50 bundle, but for $2,800 you'll want to use most or all. Not to mention that's a million dollar mansion on a street of $200,000 homes - CM buyers may have sticker shock even if they like the images. 2693
So I have only a small portion of my portfolio on Canva - and what I uploaded last Friday never turned up, so the number when I use this URL
https://www.canva.com/portfolio Hasn't changed for a few weeks (it's 457). That includes the pending cutout items (from way back when, before I realized I shouldn't upload any JPEGs that were isolated) as well as some rejected files. Up until late last week my portfolio for sale was 411, seen using this link (you'd put in your contributor name) https://www.canva.com/joannsnover It went to 410 over the weekend sometime and 408 sometime this week. The 457 didn't change, which means, I think, that some of the items in that list have gone from Approved to Rejected. I think you'd have to scroll through the pages to see - assuming you could remember what was approved or not. I'm going to hold off on more uploads until (a) my MIA files from last week show up and (b) they finish culling portfolios. Why give them more of what they don't want? Whatever that is. They also edit titles and descriptions sometimes - some very odd changes made in a batch from a few weeks back. I left the file alone, but the change was really strange. This file was re-titled "Small home with the lights on" https://www.canva.com/media/MABOQa7pQI4 That's not the title I gave it or would give it... Edited June 10th to add that my 30 files showed up and are now In Review. So portfolio count is 487. My approved files count is now down to 407 - one more previously approved one has been removed. The bits and pieces approach suggests that the review isn't by portfolio, although Ron said a week or two ago that his "whole portfolio" had been removed. If possible, and someone from Canva is still monitoring MSG, can you tell contributors when you've completed the cull of previously approved images? 2694
Newbie Discussion / Re: iStock Exclusive Loophole« on: June 09, 2015, 23:13 »
You know the answer to that question - at least with respect to the spirit of the agreement.
The real issue is what the odds are of getting caught and how much you stand to lose if they close your account. They get to interpret the agreement as they see fit and who'd want to engage in a lawsuit to prove they'd overstepped their bounds by closing your account? But if we're playing legal precision games, if you transfer the copyright to some of your illustrations to a company, that company can upload them as the copyright owner and that company is not you even though you created the illustrations. I believe the exclusivity agreement lets you create works for hire (it used to anyway) and as I recall it didn't say anything about what the purchaser of those works for hire could or couldn't do with them. And these days iStock is a different place, full of faux exclusivity (when it's their choice anyway) for select companies and individuals. If you decide to experiment it'd be a good idea to have different styles or subjects in each portfolio - if you start recreating your bestsellers I'd think the odds of you getting noticed will go way up. 2695
Canva / Re: Canva raises $6 million« on: June 09, 2015, 21:24 »
The key difference is that everything in Canva is done via any browser and doesn't require much expertise to get a decent finished product
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Canva / Re: Canva raises $6 million« on: June 09, 2015, 19:34 »hello? Sorry if I'm dense, but I don't know what you mean by the above. Are you saying that Canva's idea is pass and you don't expect it to succeed? And who is the "you" who didn't learn anything? 2697
General Stock Discussion / Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?« on: June 09, 2015, 12:43 »Hehe, true. And no CM buyer would pay 1300 for it either. Perhaps they'd take the flower pack - 30 photos for $2,800? https://creativemarket.com/Stocksy/280407-Stocksy-Floral-Pack 2698
General Stock Discussion / Re: creativemarket.com Any thoughts ?« on: June 09, 2015, 12:38 »
https://creativemarket.com/Stocksy
This looks like - and has the logo of - the agency. And I don't think anyone on CM would offer a pineapple pack for $1,300... And SnapWire has an account on CM too? https://creativemarket.com/SnapwireMedia 2699
New Sites - General / Re: Newzulu.com - The Next Step?« on: June 09, 2015, 10:41 »
So from the press release that Sean dug up - which has more buzzwords per square inch than should be legal - is the following gem:
"Today's announcement brings together all forms of user generated content (photography, videography, live video streaming and copyrighting), ..." Copyrighting is a form of content? I might be persuaded that "citizen generated content" was a step up from user generated content as a term companies use when they mean "the great unwashed" but are trying to avoid saying it, but it's just more euphemisms. If anyone can submit stuff to them, then that's the business model - why go to such great lengths to point out the background of the people submitting? Then there is "...to approach Newzulu's existing news agency partners and clients, on a revenue share basis..." which I take to mean that whatever the buyer pays gets split three ways - the two companies sharing revenue and whatever's left for the contributor who actually made the image or video. This wouldn't be the first time that two companies who are struggling partner up to see if something magical will happen together that didn't happen separately. And this attempt to try a post as if from an interested contributor that's written in the same marketing doublespeak as the press release is a very bad idea. Trust lost is hard to win back. Modified to add some links to stories about this company. http://www.fool.com.au/2015/04/27/is-newzulu-ltd-a-next-gen-disruptor/ PieNetworks acquired NewZulu last August and changed its name to NewZulu http://www.pienetworks.com/ Then NewZulu made an acquisition "...to help it crack the US" - has anyone heard of Filemobile? http://www.businessinsider.com.au/australian-startup-newzulu-just-paid-5-million-for-content-marketer-filemobile-to-help-it-crack-the-us-2015-2 http://www.startupdaily.net/2015/02/australian-startup-newzulu-closes-11-5-million-funding-round/ They seem to be acquiring a ton of domain names (search NewZulu and you'll see them) including BoomZulu http://www.boomzulu.com/ What I haven't seen to date (but will now look out for) is any media outlet actually using any of these images or videos...has anyone seen an uses? This sounds a lot like all the Silicon Valley startups - piles of breathless prose and investors pumping in money by the bucketload but no real clear traction as a business. One last edit: A profile of the guy running this company http://www.businessinsider.com.au/alex-hartman-from-teen-entrepreneur-to-head-of-a-global-media-company-2014-10 2700
Newbie Discussion / Re: What are realistic expectations?« on: June 07, 2015, 23:37 »I'll now ask a newbie question, what is the difference between macrostock and microstock? I don't think anyone used the term macrostock until after microstock was coined - before iStock it was just stock photography agencies. Microstock was about micropayments - finding some economical way to handle small transactions (when many payment processors had large per-transaction fees in addition to a percentage that made it impractical to handle a $1 online transaction). When I started with iStock in 2004 they offered two ways to pay - credits and BitPass . The price was a little higher with BitPass. The low price-high volume idea brought a whole bunch of buyers into a market for stock images and illustrations who had never purchased from any of the traditional stock agencies (which Getty was in the process of buying up as fast as they could). To make sense of a high volume low price transaction, it had to be completely automated. The traditional agencies offered personal service - help searching for the right image and such - which were paid for by their higher per license pricing. Initially, people drew strong quality distinctions between the two sources of images to license, but over time it changed so that there was a huge overlap between the two. Why would you pay $650 to license an isolated apple image when you could license it for $10 or $20? So the old line agencies got more automated and the quality went way up at the "microstock" sites. The differences are much less than they once were. |
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