Yes I do.  Absolutely I do.  If anyone could pull this one off it's the special forces.  Unfortunately the truth will never eventuate.  How can it when we have no real evidence? 

No one said OBL is not dead.  I�m saying it�s quite possible he wasn�t killed two days ago by the US government.  I think the US have no clue if he�s alive or dead.  I think they need to produce a body (and bury it quickly) to bring some closure to this, pull the troops from Afghanistan and possibly start a bitch fight with the Pakistani government to get rid of nuclear weapons... just like they did with Iraq.

If it was faked, it will be discovered, probably via Wikileaks. And as someone who lives in the US, I know for certain it would be political suicide for Obama to fake this. I don't believe they did. But you are not alone. There are plenty of deathers out there in force who would very much like it all to be fake.

The US is not going to start a war with Pakistan. You really should stop now.

I guess this will add to some mysteries like:

- what happened at Roswell?
- who killed JFK?
- did MM really commit suicide?
- did man really land on the Moon?
- what happened to Ronaldo before the 1998 World Cup final?

Is Elvis still alive?

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You didn't have to image that, you saw that and it's brought on emotions.  

I didn't see millions of Jews being killed and there are those that dispute the entire holocaust.

How can they keep the lid on everyone who was involved? Surely at some point things would be leaked. What about the Navy Seals that participated in the operation? The people in the Pakistani government who aided in locating him? What about all the intelligence officers involved in the op? It's not like it's just one person making this stuff up.

I don't think we should compare the holocaust with one elusive man that's been underground for a decade who the governement couldn't find in all that time.

Everyone involved?  Who was involved apart from the US government?  Are you saying the US government aren't equiped to set this up?  It was just raiding one property.  As for the Pakistani government aiding the US in finding him, that's the story the US have given.  They were on the ground at the time but they weren't directly involved and were clueless before the attack.  On CNN they said:

"A senior administration official told reporters that U.S. President Barack Obama�s administration did not share intelligence gathered before the attack on bin Laden in Pakistan with any other country � including Pakistan � for security reasons."

http://dekerivers.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/was-pakistan-involved-in-killing-of-osama-bin-laden-long-term-interests-of-u-s-hopes-so/

I just choose not to believe everything I hear or read from governements and politicians whose job is to lie.  

They just claimed that they now have DNA evidence but what would anyone expect them to say?  "oh sorry, we killed some random unknown... oops"?  I don't think so.  

They got rid of the only evidence they was real.  If in fact they killed anyone at all.  Also, they've been surveiling him since Aug 2010, surely they have some video footage they can show?  All we're seeing on CNN are the same images of OBL.  

Sorry, the more I read and hear, the more it looks like a cover up.  

There are still a lot of people involved in the entire intelligence gathering and in the operation itself. And you really think the special forces behind it would participate in a mock raid and then just go along with it when the government announces they killed Bin Laden? Many people in the US military don't even like Obama that much, so if it's a lie, I'm sure the truth will out eventually, maybe on Wikileaks or some other source. If OBL is NOT dead, you can be sure he's going to let everyone know.

You could dissect just about anything in the world and find oddities and peculiarities about most anything if you wanted to. Truth stranger than fiction and all that...

You didn't have to image that, you saw that and it's brought on emotions. 
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I didn't see millions of Jews being killed and there are those that dispute the entire holocaust.

How can they keep the lid on everyone who was involved? Surely at some point things would be leaked. What about the Navy Seals that participated in the operation? The people in the Pakistani government who aided in locating him? What about all the intelligence officers involved in the op? It's not like it's just one person making this stuff up.

Perhaps you missed the rest of the joke?

In any case though, I find it odd that the huge mansion had no internet and no phone yet all deliveries arrived by courier.  I can't imagine a terrorist running his operation that way ... maybe he sent for supplies via courier pigeon lol

Nah, I didn't miss the joke.

There's a lot of things I can't imagine, doesn't mean they aren't real or didn't happen. For instance, I can't imagine killing millions of Jews or people flying planes into buildings. I'm sure Bin Laden know the minuted he connected to the internet he would be tracked. I'm not surprised at all at the low-tech approach. And who even knows what kind of active role he was even playing he was even playing anymore.

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OMG, people! It only just happened and it was a covert op. Give it time and more details will come out.

Yeah, but you can't actually trust the details. Remember the woman soldier who was captured by Saddam and after she was released full details of her heroism were released, only she spoiled it all by dismissing it as nonsense. Or the heroic way that US sporting hero died fighting Taliban warriors in Afghanistan, until they were forced to admit he was accidentally shot by one of his comrades.

You are right. TWO instances of spin during 10 years of war most definitely proves that everything else is a lie. 

OMG, people! It only just happened and it was a covert op. Give it time and more details will come out.

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I'd worry about actually having something to sue over before deciding whether you can do it.

The first thing that comes to my mind is fraud. Seems like the whole credit card fraud/clawback issue just disappeared off the face of the earth. Thousands of contributors were expected to believe what corporate attorneys told a select handful of contributors. With all due respect to those involved in the phone call, it proved absolutely nothing.

The only way to find out exactly what is/was going on is to have an independent audit of the books and have attorneys get involved. That so many contributors were involved means that the simplest way, from a legal standpoint, to handle it might be a class action lawsuit. Some people lost a lot of money, some people lost a little money. If there was wrongdoing, it doesn't matter if it was $1.00 or $1,000 that was clawed back. It's still stealing, it's still fraud, and it should still be punished.

I am all for any legal remedies that might be offered large groups of people when large corporations may be taking advantage and abusing their vendors or buyers. It remains to be seen whether or not that is what Getty/istock is/was doing.

And I can think of another reason to sue...many contributors opted out of the whole Thinkstock partner program, yet their images remained, and in some cases, still remain on the site, for sale. That's copyright infringement.

Some people are going to believe there is nothing to sue over. Some have a pretty good idea there is something to sue over. To each his own, lets the chips fall where they may, if the shoe fits, and every other cliche that might be relevant in this conversation. 

Not to mention their atrocious accounting practices. People reporting $0 royalities, the whole EL bonus thing still not resolved properly, photos getting downloaded and people not getting paid, or not even *knowing* if they're actually getting downloads at all. (Like the guy who found his high res photo in a magazine - supposedly downloaded from Getty and never getting paid, nor even a response from CR). From where I'm sitting, there looks like a lot for, in the least, an audit, and at most, a lawsuit. Oh, and let's not forget, contributors photos under another copyright name on partner websites. I don't even know how you guys can keep track of anything over there. The apparent negligence and fraud seems to be rampant.

^^ +1

What we really need is for someone to come up with a way to get our images in front of more people than just designers. With all of the blogging, school projects, personal websites, etc. out there, a huge market doesn't even know that we exist!

Those people used to shop at iStock.

You already called me "deranged" several days ago. Now you talk about "the sh*t out of my head". Dont mind it, but that talks about you, not about me.

And what talks about you are the lies, accusations, and the sh*t you make up. And when challenged on it, you NEVER back up your claims. And that's the truth. So if posting the truth says something about me, then so be it.

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At about 200 or 300 photographer's comments coming from about 40-50 photographers. That is precisely my point, thanks for highlighting it.

You are still just making up numbers, so from what I can see you are proving my point that you haven't done your research and don't know what you are talking about:

That's his MO. Make accusations supported by zero evidence. It's just some sh*t that he makes up in his head. And then when called on it he usually says something to the effect, "Well, I don't have time to research [or back up his claims with proof]. I have a life!"

Desperate exclusive suffering from istockholm syndrome sounds about right.

You yourself were a regular complainer when prices rose on iStock, even from the derisory levels they were back when I started. Are buyers willing to meet the real costs of shooting images, when you take everything into consideration?

You know what the irony of that is? Back when prices were those "derisory levels" few contributors were complaining. And it was those "derisory levels" that allowed many people to do microstock full time, because the volume was there. The whole reason microstock worked was because it was about volume and buyers being less discretionary with their spending. That was its success. So yes, the prices were cheap, but the volume of sales often made up for it. Things seemed to have reached a tipping point at iStock . It's moving in the other direction and not even the higher prices are yielding the same returns of a few years ago. And, from what people are reporting, the slack is starting to be picked up at other sites.

Just curious, since the prices were so low, why did you even start uploading in the first place?

I think I'm going to work on an illustration of a lemming riding a sheep over a cliff today. 

Hilarious! You will post when you are done, right?