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We've had a few nights now over a beer and trying to get Firefly to generate anything remotely accurate or lifelike to improve an image.  And failed.
Every single thing is unusable from a realism or accuracy point of view.

In one example i selected a group of people i wanted removed from the scene, generative fill selected (no prompts), it removed the people and replaced the background pattern nicely BUT for no clear reason also added a large dog sized mutant pigeon on the pavement.
At no point did i ask for the pigeon version of Godzilla.


As a tangent - the "Remove Tool" in beta.  Is that firefly based (i assume not as it actually works)?  Or can it be legitimately used instead of content aware to remove items in our own images.

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I agree.  I think they way underestimated the number of AI submissions they'd get.

Agree but not sure how they managed to think that.

It was glaringly obvious once image generation from prompts appeared the vast sweat-shop image farms in various countries would just batch automate and industrialise this process.
Instead of creating an image which takes time they just need to mass feed simple text prompts.

It was absolutely obvious what would happen here.

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Haven't they already used everyones data without permission or payment ?


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Meanwhile on the Facebook groups, people are happily submitting AI to the main collections.



Apparently Stalin is not a clear face.All hail Stalin.

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The "similar images" should show the reviewer during inspection that this is a stolen file...if there is a human reviewer...

Well, you could put it this way: The agency earns on the images no matter who actually took them. They are more keen on having happy shareholders, than happy contributors.

You could also argue, cynically, that if the same image is available from level 1 contributors as well as the for example level 5 original author then sales from the level 1s benefit SS as they pay out far less commission.

The entire level system makes it far more beneficial to SS to spread sales out among lots of contributors at low levels than prioritise higher level accounts.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Fraud account on Shutterstock.
« on: August 12, 2023, 08:19 »
This guy had one of my videos in his portfolio.  It was in the first spot, so I assume it was a good seller for him.

I jumped thru their hoops and got the clip removed, but for some reason, that wasn't enough to terminate his account.

No other clip of mine are in his 6 page portfolio, but since he had one of mine before, there's a chance he has others from other contributors.

If you're a video contributor, you may want to check this portfolio:

Link: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Mastermint/video

This is the problem - a DMCA quite often only results in the one offending item being removed and the rest of the account, also dodgy, remains.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Shutterstock encourages theft
« on: August 12, 2023, 08:11 »
You're absolutely right - it's a shame on them that their system sees, but their inspectors don't, I tried to tell them this a few years ago, but they just don't react. But still, if they heard you and you poked their noses into direct theft of the whole picture, they will remove the thief, another thing is when part of one image is used to create another, they brazenly say to your faces "not the same". It's amazing and some new level of shamelessness.

I seriously doubt inspectors are involved at all in most approvals now.

Reported one dumb enough to post "rate my portfolio" on FB this week.  He'd used 2 images (other peoples on SS and pixa) blending in the middle with a gradient, added a vignette and some text quotes.
His defence was "its fine because i edited".
Reported him.

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Here are some more:-

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/anuchaza
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Wilson23
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Imagediaries
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Super+Firoz
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Kobir+Ahemd
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Faruk+sk
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/yldoz
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/magicphotographer
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Take_photo_byhabib

Ultimately im more and more convinced we're seeing linked, multiple accounts from connected groups of people.

You find the same image displayed in several accounts, from there you jump to that account, uncover more sharing the same content etc.

As per the other night i looked at 1 account to kill 2 minutes and within 30 mins had uncovered 25 related accounts all with the same, stolen images.


Given the geographically small areas of these accounts, the re-use of stolen images, similar (awful) titling and keywords im getting more and more convinced its a large network operating.

What's more annoying is SS's own systems are literally displaying the problem in "similar images" yet they seemingly have no system to actually audit the DB on submission, or at a later date.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Shutterstock encourages theft
« on: August 12, 2023, 01:25 »
Id go as far as saying they really don't care about duplicate stolen images.

Their own engine literally identifies them for all to see (and from there the network of interlinked thief accounts) yet nothing seems to be done.

They have the technology as its literally showing the problem to every single potential buyer.


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Shutterstock.com / Re: Fraud account on Shutterstock.
« on: August 12, 2023, 00:37 »
Here's another one to check:

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Take_photo_byhabib

This is all getting a bit depressing  :(

Theft aside, how . is "F35 fighter in mission" getting through a trademark/patent/IP check for RF sales?!

Im a fan of "Fantastic aerial photography, green wavy field" too.  I mean who isn't?

Some images stolen from "worldclassphoto" account which in itself looks highly suspicious for the type and variation of shot.  And everyone else.



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Shutterstock.com / Re: Fraud account on Shutterstock.
« on: August 11, 2023, 23:55 »
If you're bored of "river in the natural of amazon" (who knew the Amazon had snowcapped peaks anyway?) i now present "one of the best click" and "one of the click from forest".

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Imagediaries


So far ive found the following accounts all sharing the same images in part:

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/anuchaza
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Wilson23
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Imagediaries
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Super+Firoz
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Kobir+Ahemd
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Faruk+sk
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/yldoz
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/magicphotographer

Has to be coordinated surely?

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Fraud account on Shutterstock.
« on: August 11, 2023, 22:52 »
Unsplash and Pixa are the sites of choice for "sourcing" content.

Although a lot now are exploiting free trials from real agencies to download collections OR abusing real subscription accounts to use up the left over month quota to obtain images (advertised a lot on FB).
Also using left-over quote to boost images on request, for a fee.  Again advertised a lot on FB.

What gets me with SS is they literally have the ability to detect this on upload - their "similar images" often show identical images 3-4x right below the current selected one.
It really wouldn't be hard to script so thats checked on upload and suspicious images are flagged for real person review.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Slow payments?
« on: August 11, 2023, 22:48 »
Typically, a few hours after posting this the payment arrived.
So took 13 days instead of the usual 6-7.

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https://petapixel.com/2023/08/10/photo-agencies-publish-open-letter-demanding-ai-copyright-protection/

Again related.

Full letter is here:- https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jONWdRbwbS50hd1-x4fDvSyARJMCgRTY/view?pli=1

Quote
Tellingly, the letter refers to violating copyright law and demands that AI companies get the consent of IP rights holders for the use and copying of their content in training data and outputs.

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Adobe Stock / Slow payments?
« on: August 11, 2023, 11:18 »
Anyone noticed a slow down in payment processing?

Typically its 7 days near enough every time.

This time my request from July 31st still listed as Pending.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: New Data / Data set Licensing
« on: August 11, 2023, 09:10 »
From a coding point of view its trivial to remove an image from a database and serve that by their claims, is not being used for or doing anything.
You can already perform the much harder task of removing an image from the active library.

In other words, they really dont want to do this.

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Alamy.com / Re: "Your commission model is Alamy Silver."
« on: August 11, 2023, 00:57 »
I had no idea this even came in - shows how often i check Alamy.

Years ago it was the agency with few sales but each sale was for hundreds of dollars so was worth leaving ticking over.

No i seem to get 40% of $3 instead (apparently im gold).

Will be keeping a close eye on this now im aware the structure exists.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Fraud account on Shutterstock.
« on: August 10, 2023, 22:57 »
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Graphicato

Another big, 5500+ image thief.

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/panoramic-view-covered-frost-trees-snowdrifts-2242806165
Flipped:- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/frosted-tree-winter-landscape-covered-snow-2245080185
Also here:- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/during-winter-season-tree-covered-snow-2277601343



https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/panoramic-view-covered-frost-trees-snowdrifts-2242806691
From:- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/very-beautiful-winter-landscape-2202702271 https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/ice-winter-snow-nature-1873026757 https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/picture-wonderfully-beautiful-trees-2269761585 https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/forests-natural-phenomenon-giving-us-clean-1588886647



https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/tomatoes-delicious-ripe-cherry-background-top-2204166767
Flipped:- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/fresh-red-tomatoes-water-splash-2244103819
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/natural-food-photo-vegetable-background-2205256215



https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/sky-white-clouds-on-beach-thailand-2204168171
From:- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/retro-sea-direction-sign-island-2198970991



https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/walks-along-shore-beach-white-lighthouse-2205140515
Flipped:- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/explore-mesmerizing-beauty-sea-through-captivating-2337125129
and https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/some-landscapes-sea-mountains-boats-2204874527



https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/taiwanese-monkey-green-glass-smoke-coming-2205363989
Flipped:- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/sleeping-monkey-on-tree-resting-peacefully-2109529388
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/monkey-sleeping-tree-2131525265



https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/herd-sheep-goats-arabian-farm-2205965067
Flipped:- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/nature-look-like-beautiful-view-2191304291
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/these-herds-usually-contain-five-50-2192186921
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/flock-sheep-on-flowering-heath-salland-2025381773



https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/red-fox-species-has-long-history-2205967895
Flipped:- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/magnificent-wild-red-fox-2160466475



https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/deer-walking-grass-on-lawn-2213337067
Flipped:- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/deer-animal-wildlife-nature-beautiful-trees-2311879647


https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/panoramic-view-covered-frost-trees-snowdrifts-2259784075
Flipped:- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/sunny-view-trees-1400263961

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/panoramic-view-covered-frost-trees-snowdrifts-2259784081
Flipped:- https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/log-cabin-after-heavy-snowfall-1987251017


Havent even bothered looking for the original source yet.  And as per usual, the similars reveals 3 or 4 other stolen image accounts using the same image.
And again, Pakistan.

Shutterstock really is a sewer of theft and zero enforcement.  If anyone has 5 minutes to kill, please report this one.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Fraud account on Shutterstock.
« on: August 10, 2023, 22:20 »
I started off last night reporting one account then fell into the "similar images" rabbit hole for 18 further accounts before losing the will to live.

I only go a case number for 1 of those 18 emails too. (the auto responder).


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Shutterstock.com / Re: New Data / Data set Licensing
« on: August 10, 2023, 22:19 »
It'll depend on the other agencies definition of exclusive but having that media living on a competitors server may well break that no matter what SS say.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Fraud account on Shutterstock.
« on: August 10, 2023, 08:10 »
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Super+Firoz

This guy is good.  Lots of "River in nautral of the amazon" and hand sanitiser

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Fraud account on Shutterstock.
« on: August 10, 2023, 07:48 »
If only Shutterstock ran a check of new images against already accepted images it might actually find some thieves.

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In addition to the issues of genAI repeating itself, it's hard to see why one of them is $249 and the other regular subscription.

In fairness you could apply that argument to most of premium vs most of SS prior to maybe 2019.  There was no difference.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Fraud account on Shutterstock.
« on: August 05, 2023, 23:58 »
"Are these individuals with multiple accounts or an organised group working together to game the system?"


maybe

Or they just follow the same youtube guru showing them special tricks to make quick money on shutterstock

A lot of these people are naive.

Certainly might be a bit of that as well but there are clusters of dodgy accounts all using the same stolen images which suggests they obtained them from the same source at the very least.

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And yes, great for the thieves who get payment before being rumbled.

I remember when the old SS forum was still running, we would get thieves posting - asking questions about how to increase sales with their stolen content. The nerve of those people.

The FB group now has that.

Often 3-4 posts a day of "Buy my photo" with a portfolio link which contains almost entirely stolen images.

Its like the old SS forum but 10x worse for it.

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