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I believe that Adobe is the only agency that actually needs us because we are their customers. I am sure they make a lot more money on us licensing their software and buying images for client projects than they ever pay out to us as producers.

They actually have a reason to keep us happy, we bring in customers and new clients, we buy files.

It is the only win/win relationship in the industry.


Define "we". You described 3 different types of people: Contributors who submit images, people who license softwear and people who buy images for client projects. But while these 3 can all belong to the same group of people, they don't have to and I don't think they do in most cases.
 I am a contributors. I would not buy an adobe softwear if I wasn't getting it for free, because I prefer one-time-purchase softwear to monthly subscription modes. I do not buy any images for any client projects, which I do not have. I am a full-time microstock photographer and I know that even for many people who only do microstock as a side-income, their main job often does not include any purchase of images from stock agencies.
And the way I see it, Adobe doesn't have much reason to keep me happy (anymmore), now that I have become replacable by AI. I am not their customer. I was their content provider and that was the only reason they ever needed people like me.

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Prawn cocktail was a very popular starter in the UK in the 70s. Small prawns mixed with rose marie sauce or thousand island dressing. Then a large wine glass was layered with lettuce and the prawn mix layered in and finished off with a pinch of cress and a lemon slice. The top then dusted with paprika for colour. Unless you knew that already some may or may not.

The A.I. however had created something horrifically different lol. gag worthy.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPYgw0wX4AAlBSW.jpg

No, I didn't know that. But it sounds gag worthy to me too, to be honest.  :o

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Finally "We began with prawn and an avocado lemon squeezer"and awoke to find the paramedic performing an ermegency colonoscopy to remove the alien tapeworm that had survived the cooking process.

Not that just the very idea of putting PRAWN in a cocktail wasn't already highly questionable.

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Facebook spammed but interesting.

Is that even allowed?  GPT to Midjourney to upscale content and upload?


Yes, why should it not be allowed?

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Shutterstock.com / Re: New Data / Data set Licensing
« on: July 03, 2023, 09:48 »

 Plus how does SS get the right to accept my images to the data catalog, but they actually have rejected them, and I have no control over them? I don't want a new home for rejects!
Opt out of data licensing in your account settings and your images will not be used for this, rejected or approved.

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Firstly thanks for highlighting a growing problem.  But secondly, thanks for providing me with a laugh first thing this morning with those images!
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Second! The fruit one is my favorite.

But I don't get how these get approved. I understand that sometimes image slook "right enough" at first glance and you do not notice mistakes immediatelly, like with insects that have to many or too little limbs. But everything is wrong about some of these pictures. How can a reviewer not notice this, even if he or she just looked  at the image for a second?

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Bigstock.com / Re: 406 Not Acceptable - Can't access site.
« on: June 30, 2023, 10:44 »
I think you might have missed the news:
https://www.microstockgroup.com/bigstock-com/email-from-ss-through-bigstock/msg588660/?topicseen#new

Though the site is workin fine for me.

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How is the Basic Plan different from the Standard Plan? Which plan is best for us?
The main difference is that the basic plan only lets you make 200 generations ( one generation is 4 images, so 800 images) and the standard plan lets you create unlimited images.

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Did they also change something about requirements for model releases? I just got an image rejected for missing model release - All that was visible of a human on the photo was a piece of a (my) forearm.   :o

Never had a problem getting images approved without a model relase before that just had random body parts like hands or arms in them before, and, quite honestly - I don't feel like Shutterstock is worth the effort to create a model release just for an arm.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Free Collection $5 Payments Are Back
« on: June 26, 2023, 09:13 »
Got some money that can't be attributed to any sale, so I assume results are in? Unless this is the payment for the Ai training we never agreed to (in which case that little money would in no way make up for the damage that was caused).
The amount of images that are now listed when I select the "free" filter and the amount of money I got do not add up, I am missing like $100, so I am not sure what this is...

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1. Why do you all think that non-AI labeled content sells better than AI labeled content?

- It gets reviewed much faster (2-3) as in opposite to AI content (30 days), thus it appears at the top of the seach when reviewed, but when AI content finally gets approved, it appears somewhere fat in the back, unless customers use a serach filter, so it doesn't get noticed as much.

- There are customers who do not want to buy AI contet, they only want real photos, many because of the still ongoing legal uncertainties surrounding AI content. I have not yet heard of any customer who wants AI images only, and not real photos. So the change of people enabling filters to look at real photos only is higher than of people enabling filters to only look at AI content

So AI content that is mislabeled as real photos has a higher chance of selling, simply because it is easier to be found. Why else do you think Facebook is full of groups discussing how to get away with labeling AI content as real photos? Why do you think people purposefully mislabel their content, if there is nothing to gain from it?

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At the expense of AI content, which one of the authors does not mark as AI content, well, here on the forum I have already discussed this issue, programs that create AI add this information to the file metadata.

You do realise it takes seconds to batch change any Metadata you want to remove things?

I already told him that, even explained to him how to remove the metadata, but he is resistant to learning, it seems.

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People embrace tech, but there is always room for the real deal.
It's what defines our identity, makes us human, is what's life is all about I guess.

As said, when customers can't tell apart AI generated images and human created photos and illustrations, none of this matters.

Everyone can tell a classic vintage car from a modern Tesler. People buy it for prestige or sentimental values. No one would buy a classic car if they looked EXACTLY the same as modern cars and no one could tell them apart.

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And what does MatHayward have to do with it?

He works for Adobe and is our only means of communicating with Adobe on this froum. So, when we have questons or concerns regarding Adobe, who else are we suppposed to address here than him?
You need to ask normal and correct questions, and not write a stream of hysteria. Many of the questions are completely stupid.

I did not ask these questions.  ::)
And I do not think they are stupid at all, but real concern Adobe needs to address.

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And what does MatHayward have to do with it?

He works for Adobe and is our only means of communicating with Adobe on this froum. So, when we have questons or concerns regarding Adobe, who else are we suppposed to address here than him?

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The only thing that has changed is that now you see a lot more people of color in these photos, but they look staged as ever.
But why pay attention to the color of people? It's something I don't pay attention to. Should we do it? Should there be color quotas?

Don't know how it is where you live, but in my country diversity has become a huuuuge topic in the past years, so now every company tries to include people of color in photo they use and also more women.
It's just a image marketing thing, nothing more. Statistics clearly show that not much has changed and in regards of what people are mostly put in leading business positions and I can tell you: It ain't people of color and it ain't women. But companies like to at least keep up the pretense that they were including everyone, thus both images that portray a company as well as their products now includes diverse people more often than in the past.
Would actually be a nice thing, if it was meant honestly and not just a marketing spin.

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Stock agencies were already calling out for authenticity long before AI came to market, and they will continue to do so.

And then people will just create "authentic looking" images with AI.


(Btw. I never see any "authentic" looking images used online. It's still the same smiling business people in suits-type of perfect studio shots everywhere. And it's still these kind of images on the top of every microstock sites search results. The only thing that has changed is that now you see a lot more people of color in these photos, but they look staged as ever. I feel like agencies were trying to push the "authentic" images trend, but in the end that was never what customers really wanted.)

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You're right, buyers want images that they can use effectively, and the source might not be their primary concern. However, when I mentioned "heart and soul", I wasn't implying that every stock photo needs to be a piece of fine art. What I meant was that human-created images, even those intended for commercial use, carry the "Made by Humans" trademark (which will probably be perceived as more valuable in the future) .

Nope. For "made by humans" art to be valued more in the future, the end customer would need to even be able to distinguish between AI generated images and human created images.

It's already hard to tell what is a real photo and what is AI generated now. I know many people still think they can spot the difference, but they are only focusing on the images that look over-edited or have errors in them, just simply missing all the AI images that really look like normal photos.

In the future it will just get harded to tell them apart. How are people to value one more over the other, when really no one can tell which one is which? The stock agencies are already full of mislabeled AI generated images, even the ones that don't allow them. Apparently reviewers can't even tell. Why do you think customers and their customers will be able to tell the difference?

We have already reached the point where people upload AI generated images and just claim they were their real photos. So how can human created art be valued more, when everyone thinks AI generated contend IS human created?



Btw - I foresee a different development: Instead of making real photos more expensice, agencies that accept AI images will offer AI imaged for even cheape , instead of making real photos more expensice. You'll make like 1-5 cents for an AI image sale. Then you'll have what you want: Real photos will cost "more". Though soon there will be so many AI images, than no customers will even find the real photos and 1cent is all we will be getting. 

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Shutterstock.com / Re: New Data / Data set Licensing
« on: June 24, 2023, 04:14 »
At least there is an opt out. :(

Yeah, though it was only added AFTER they already used our images to train AI, so that's all just for pretense.

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Bigstock.com / Re: eMail from SS through Bigstock...
« on: June 22, 2023, 13:57 »
My earnings shot up by $60 and I am pretty pissed.
There was, of COURSE, no option to opt out of this, like they claimed in the mail. I sent a mail to Bigstock asking about the opt out option and requesting my account to be closed if no such option was offered. Got a reply, that the option would be added within the next 24-48 hours. (Did not happen so far) But of course meanwhile my images have already been used to train some AI without my consent, just like with Shutterstock.   >:(

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Rejections on adobe
« on: June 21, 2023, 10:38 »
Mat...

Can you please chime in on this. It is now 7 8 pages of concern from several contributors and not a peep from Adobe. In the meantime I will cease to submit my work as it has become a complete waste of my time. These sudden rejections for quality issues en masse is nonsensical and confusing.

I will reach out on a limb and suggest I am not the only one who would like an explanation.

Thanks in advance.

I'm guessing Mat hasn't seen this thread because I don't think he checks the general forum. If this thread was moved over to the Adobe Forum, he'd probably jump in....which would be nice

But he replied in this thread, so he must have seen it? He said everything was peachy at Adobe and Adobe had a very high acceptance rate and that was pretty much all he had to say on that matter.

But then again, Mat also claimed they were making progress with the review times and all that is really happening is that review times get longer and longer. Honestly, I did not have the feeling that Mat even had any real insight into the review process.

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I think they are just desperate for content to train their AI.
At this point it is not about having content their customers would be interested in buying anymore, it's just about collecting as much data (= our photos, illustrations and videos) as possible.





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Bigstock.com / Re: eMail from SS through Bigstock...
« on: June 21, 2023, 02:25 »
From the FAQ page:

In July of 2023, we are excited to extend this new revenue opportunity to our Bigstock contributing artists as well! However, if you feel that this new way of licensing content is not the right option for your portfolio, you can manage your licensing permissions under your profile on the My Account page.

but good luck finding it.
Yeah, of course I already looked there. The My Account page only has the following options:

        Billing
        VAT
        Receipts
        My Downloads
        Edit Profile
        View My Profile
    Lightboxes
    Uploads
    Commissions
    Help & FAQ


Under profile I only have

Profile Name
First Name
Last Name
Email Address
FTP Login
   
If there is an opt out option, it's hidden too well. I don't see it.


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Bigstock.com / Re: eMail from SS through Bigstock...
« on: June 20, 2023, 15:44 »

We have also put together this Bigstock FAQ to explain how datasets and the Contributor Fund apply to your Bigstock account, including the ability to opt-out from future data deals. As innovation of this ground-breaking technology continues, were excited to see Bigstock play an even larger part.


Did anyone figure out how to opt out of this? Because the FAQ does not explain it or even mention it.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Review time
« on: June 19, 2023, 00:36 »
New record: 30 days review time.

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