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As I was falling asleep last night I realized how recent those two articles (in the laptop screen) were. I just checked the dates - July 22 and 23. Yesterday, July 28th, was when I saw the giant laptop image.

That image was less than a week in the queue.

Havent those of you uploading been waiting 3-4 weeks?

If I was looking for evidence of a two-tier system, this would be very convincing

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Wow! I can post that one on the Adobe Stock Discord in Quality Control  :)

EDIT: I have done so.

Thank you

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It is beyond belief that this image was recently approved - this content puts Adobe Stock and anyone licensing this image at risk. Getty is notoriously tough with misuse of its images.

I first noticed this item because of the comically gigantic laptop in front of the mannequin-like worker



Seeing photos on the huge screen - and, surprisingly for genAI, readable text - set off warning sirens in my brain (I've been editing stock images for way too long!)

A google search found the two articles and the image credits. Both are credited to Getty - senior couple and laptop hands

https://fortune.com/well/2023/07/23/how-to-stay-fit-as-you-age/
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/22/tech/ai-jobs-efficiency-productivity/index.html

The contributor has several other laptop images with photos on the screen, but they're harder to track down (so I didn't). I expect none of them are licensed.

If anyone who can post on the Discord thread about "oops" genAI images wants to post this - or a link to this thread - go ahead.

I realize it's a bit childish of me, but I am so angry to see any pretense at reviewing standards tossed aside in the frenzy of AI madness. I defy anyone to convince me that a non-AI image like this could ever get approved without property releases for the on-screen content. I've had to provide releases for use of my own images (on walls and screens) so many times...

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Image Sleuth / Re: Stolen images on iStock by "Abdul Bayzid"
« on: July 28, 2023, 16:04 »
I don't think I get a thank-you yet - I see 1,103 images now in his portfolio. More have been added this afternoon, and they're all stolen too (based on a spot check of a few).

Here's what I see on page 1

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It's all really depressing - instead of celebrating the strengths of genAI images, we're getting cheap and wonky knock-offs of real world places and things. I'm hoping the market (buyers; Adobe clearly loves welcoming this stuff into the collection) speaks and ignores things that aren't useful. Or which get them articles in the Guardian :)

I think that's the real question: how will we all, as customers, accept these images that are meant "to illustrate" a product or a service?
The burger advertised by McDonalds doesn't look like the burger you get at their counters. ....

After all, on every advertisement there's a small notice: real product might differ from advertised product.

Point taken - I've been licensing stock and looking at ads/marketing materials for decades. "Authentic" in stock isn't real life - and if you look at all the "shiny-happy people" pictures, genAI or old-school, they're better lit, tidier, posed and typically younger/prettier than most people's everyday life.

However, there's a huge difference between cleaning up, polishing and giving a sunset glow to real life and making things up that sort-of look like the real thing.

Here's an example. Below is a genAI image of Sheffield town hall, Yorkshire, UK. This link will, courtesy of google, show you a large set of pictures of the town hall you'd see if you went to Sheffield.



It's not just the autumn trees or the warm color tone. The genAI image has the clock tower in a different place with respect to the other buildings; the windows and floors are different from the real building. Just about every architectural detail in the genAI building is wrong, although it has a similar feel overall.

I have many hundreds of examples from Adobe Stock of this sort of problem - the town hall image isn't an exception. There are images from cities all over the world; of objects that are impossible or defy the laws of physics (but which are presented as real life not fantasy); human or animal anatomy, vegetable/fruit structure that are wrong (not ironic or artistic or fantastic; just wrong); flags or other emblems improperly rendered.

As long as this type of work is clearly labeled as genAI, buyers can choose. IMO Adobe would be well served by removing the obvious "oops" images. Although perhaps the aircraft carrier with wings should stay :)

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I have a large folder of Firefly experiments. It's still in beta. I haven't produced a single usable image (for the things I was interested in working on), and the workflow seems awkward to me -not sure how I would use it if it was out of beta.

Earlier in the week I tried the generative fill option on an image I'd created with firefly and it was funny - not intentionally. I wanted to replace the floor surface in an interior shot. It couldn't automatically select the floor, or even automatically extend my manual selection. The perspective and scale on the fills wasn't right. A mess.

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However bad you think the accepted genAI images are, go take a look at a few real world types of images - things you think a buyer might be searching for - and you'll realize it's worse.

These examples are just a selection from page 1 of the default (Relevance) search. I'm ignoring the fantasy images (even the cute mouse with sunglasses and a bow tie) as that's not where the issue is.

Somehow this woman made it on a bike with one pedal - possibly because she has part of one leg missing - and strange mangled spokes. Extra points for her not holding the handlebars, plus bad Photoshop work between the handlebar and brake lever. Cheating to cover the suspicious construction of the seat to frame connection with her dress!



Apparently Byzantine painters were no better with correct number and shapes of hands and feet than AI - who knew?



This is keyworded as Santorini - as are 4,037 other genAI images. Did not count how many of those look like photos - some are labeled as watercolor or other artistic style. The pseudo paintings or pseudo illustrations seem less problematic in that they are clearly not purporting to show real life.



"Image of long rows of green beds with growing cabbage or lettuce in a large farmer's field". I'd bet on lettuce - though I'm not a farm or vegetable expert.



Here's what a row of cabbages actually looks like

"A happy couple stands smiling in the driveway of a large house with solar panels installed". If you look at their front door (left) their smiles must result from having figured how to get out and down the steps without breaking their necks!



Chair and stool legs, along with hanging lights, cabinet handles and other details, seem to confuddle AI - don't sit on chairs in AI-world.


Impossibly hip and stylish high school student can't escape AI's problems with digits (mangled pinky)


It's all really depressing - instead of celebrating the strengths of genAI images, we're getting cheap and wonky knock-offs of real world places and things. I'm hoping the market (buyers; Adobe clearly loves welcoming this stuff into the collection) speaks and ignores things that aren't useful. Or which get them articles in the Guardian :)

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Image Sleuth / Re: Stolen images on iStock by "Abdul Bayzid"
« on: July 28, 2023, 07:49 »
What is the iStock admin's email address?
I will contact them too.

I've sent a reply to the iStock admin with these new links.

Probably best to start with the general copyright complaint email - there isn't a case ID number or anything to identify my complaint.

[email protected]


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https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/07/stable-diffusion-xl-puts-ai-generated-visual-worlds-at-your-gpus-command/

The fantasy images are (IMO) better than the attempts to depict the real world with all these genAI tools. The elephant-octopus hybrid is visually cool, but in terms of stock image licensing, how much of a market is there for that? In other words, beyond the "oh WOW", what would business customers (the bulk of the trade for stock image agencies) use it for.

Size is larger (although still pretty small at 1024x1024).

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Image Sleuth / Re: Stolen images on iStock by "Abdul Bayzid"
« on: July 27, 2023, 18:53 »
iStock's email said they were terminating their relationship with this guy - possibly these were already in the queue?

They're stolen, but some from other sites, for example:

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/happy-halloween-banner-or-party-invitation-background-with-clouds-bats-and-pumpkins-gm1570497294-527910014
https://depositphotos.com/217005610/stock-photo-halloween-candies-paper-decorations-purple.html

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/happy-halloween-banner-or-party-invitation-background-with-clouds-bats-and-pumpkins-gm1570521253-527910080
https://xsj.699pic.com/tupian/09bvqq.html

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/happy-halloween-banner-or-party-invitation-background-with-clouds-bats-and-pumpkins-gm1570519064-527910077
https://depositphotos.com/125158348/stock-photo-spooky-halloween-pumpkins-on-wooden.html

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/happy-halloween-banner-or-party-invitation-background-with-clouds-bats-and-pumpkins-gm1570518475-527910053
https://www.canstockphoto.com/pumpkins-background-16130289.html

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/happy-halloween-banner-or-party-invitation-background-with-clouds-bats-and-pumpkins-gm1570499945-527910019
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/happy-halloween-holiday-concept-halloween-decorations-pumpkins-bats-ghosts-on-orange-gm1171184656-324381214

I've sent a reply to the iStock admin with these new links.

Edited July 28 to add that I received a reply from istock - in essence, we're working on it:
"As previously mentioned, we are in the process of terminating the relationship with the contributor. Once it is completed all content will be removed."
[/i]

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The genAI collection is now 13,051,798 - world domination lies ahead!

I forgot to celebrate the 13 million milestone, so I thought I'd grab something to eat and then go on a trip.

I grew up in the UK and a Cornish Pasty sounded lovely - until they brought this concoction with red peppers and other foreign objects. I sent it back



Then I thought I'd try a different cuisine and ordered Aguachile, but what came out was an onion blanket with nothing much underneath, so I sent that back too.



I didn't want to miss my flight, so I borrowed a yellow skateboard to hurry over, but when I looked more closely, it was a strange seated model I thought I might injure myself with...



... so I called a taxi. Looked dodgy, but I was out of options!



Finally at the airport. Thinking my troubles were over, I looked up at the stairs ...



I finally sat down, starving hungry by this time, and then my heart sank as I looked at the food and drink...




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As a recent example (yesterday) of how much difficulty a stock image/video customer can get into when they use content from the wrong places...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/26/yorkshire-water-ad-ridiculed-over-clips-of-herefordshire-and-russian-bar

This was stock video, not AI images, but the goof could just as easily have occurred with genAI Adobe Stock images of "Yorkshire"

"The advert for Yorkshire Water made what appeared to be Yorkshire look wonderful: beautiful, sweeping countryside and smiling, friendly local people, some in a car and others enjoying their downtime in a pub.

But the countryside was not the Yorkshire Dales but the Malvern Hills. The car was left-hand drive and in Ukraine. The chances of getting a pint of Landlord from the pub would seem remote, given it was a bar called Eskimos located a couple of thousand miles away in a Russian ski resort near the Black Sea."


At Adobe Stock, the unsuspecting buyer could license supposed scenic views of the Yorkshire Dales, drone aerials of Whitby Harbour or Leeds, Sheffield town hall, a footbridge over the river Aire, Clifford's Tower in York, or many others.  None of these are real and would likely inspire the same mockery the Yorkshire Water ad did.

The problem with real places isn't just wonky Big Ben or the Eiffel Tower moving around Paris but all sorts of smaller cities or landscapes all over Europe and the US (or not really there, but labeled as if they were). Fake drone and aerial footage surprised me - with Google maps satellite view it's so easy to see how wrong these genAI creations are.

Here's just one example of a part of Devon, UK - the Salcombe Kingsbridge estuary. A search with the "Relevance" sort shows a number of real pictures but the second item in the list is a genAI effort that is wrong in just about every respect.

Real Salcombe estuary

https://stock.adobe.com/images/aerial-view-of-salcombe-and-kingsbridge-estuary-from-a-drone-south-hams-devon-england/585530226
https://stock.adobe.com/images/aerial-vista-of-salcombe-and-the-kingsbridge-estuary-south-hams-devon-england/484221969
https://stock.adobe.com/images/salcombe-devon/130326993

genAI's imaginary Salcombe

https://stock.adobe.com/images/drone-footage-of-the-kingsbridge-and-salcombe-estuaries-in-devon-england-s-south-hams-generative-ai/580334780

These not-real-places images need to be labeled so the buyer doesn't find themselves in the mess Yorkshire Water did.

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This morning the collection has crossed the 13 million mark (13,006,207)...

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There are written Adobe Stock rules that genAI images should not say it's a real place:

"Dont: Describe AI-generated content as depicting real people or places."

There are many thousands of examples of photo-like images supposedly of real towns or landmarks already in the collection and it's really unhelpful to customers who do the default search (which includes genAI images) to have no clue looking at the results that what purports to be Memphis, Fresno, London, the Eiffel Tower, Yellowstone, Austin, TX, etc. etc. isn't really.

The existing model for overlays on Editorial and Premium images (lower left of the thumbnail) would work well IMO and would alert buyers who don't even realize there is now AI content at Adobe Stock. They could then exclude genAI images for searches where it matters that the place they're searching for is depicted as it exists.

I did an example for a search for cliffs of moher which has a lot of recent AI uploads that could not be used if you were doing tourist promotions for that area of Ireland. Click for larger image



I started thinking about this when I saw an AI image labeled as Windansea beach in California and it clearly wasn't. I've been there.

Then I realized the description looked familiar and looked at one of my images of that area. It was copied verbatim by the AI uploader. The same thing had happened a few months back with a very different image of mine. Here are the pairs of images - it's not hard to guess which is the real one and which AI :)



I have no skin in this game - my images will continue to sell as long as the photo-realistic AI images of specific places are so useless - but from a buyer's perspective, if you want Tower Bridge in Sacramento, the genAI versions are 100% useless and just need to be clearly marked so the unwary buyer doesn't make an a$$ of themselves with Adobe Stock's help.

Although I do have some skin in the game - I don't want buyers walking away from Adobe Stock because they no longer feel safe licensing images there.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Stolen images on iStock by "Abdul Bayzid"
« on: July 26, 2023, 14:36 »
The iStock copyright team replied, asking me for image links or numbers so they could investigate. I had already given them a link to this thread. And pointed out that the first "similar" image points to the original for every image I checked.

I replied with 4 more links - the first four images of the 905-image portfolio - all of which are stolen, all from different contributors and told them I wasn't going to do all 905 as I think this set of 5 + 4 links should be adequate. We'll see what happens...

The stolen image is first, the original second in each pair. All original upload dates are earlier than the thiefs upload date

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/health-technology-healthcare-and-medicine-concept-gm1518542373-524430585
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/doctor-shows-global-health-care-gm1220632511-357499797

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/global-network-connection-modern-world-technology-background-gm1522761463-524695705
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/global-network-technology-gm1155359709-314505269

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/health-technology-healthcare-and-medicine-concept-gm1518548681-524430626
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/digital-technology-gm1143201403-306918584

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/health-technology-healthcare-and-medicine-concept-gm1518545504-524430606
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/concept-of-cardiology-and-heart-health-gm684977302-125737733

It looks as though the same person used to have a SS portfolio, but that's already down

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Abdulbayzid

Edited to add that I received another reply from iStock saying that they've removed the images I reported (i.e. the above 4) and are in the process of terminating the relationship with the contributor. The 5 reported by the OP are still there so far. I hope tomorrow morning the whole portfolio will be gone.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Stolen images on iStock by "Abdul Bayzid"
« on: July 26, 2023, 09:42 »
Thanks for posting these - have you/are you going to contact iStock about it? Edited to add that I created a support ticket at iStock for this portfolio. Can't hurt to report again even if you already did :)

iStock has zero excuse for this nonsense. In every one of the items you posted - EVERY SINGLE ONE - the first item in the "Similar images" link is the original author's image.

iStock doesn't need any new software at all to catch lazy thieves - they can use their own existing feature and weed this out instantly. Port suspended after the first catch and if there's more than one incident, portfolio closed and user banned.

It's not hard. They just need to give a sh!t

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https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/shutterstock-joins-the-content-authenticity-initiative-301884514.html

I love the title of one Shutterstock employee quoted: Senior Director of Artificial Intelligence and Data Science

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Adobe Stock / Re: Figma acquired by Adobe
« on: July 24, 2023, 18:57 »
In addition to rumors that the US justice department is planning to sue to stop the Figma acquisition, Bloomberg says that the EU will launch a probe into it as well.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/adobe-20-billion-figma-deal-190613345.html

"The purchase is a massive bet that more creative work will be done by small businesses and everyday users on the web, a market that Figma has rapidly seized. While Adobe has introduced less-expensive, streamlined products for that audience, most of its offerings are still heavyweight programs aimed at specialists."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/07/24/tech-merger-crackdown-adobe-faces-eu-probe-over-20-billion-purchase-of-figma-report-says/?sh=74600166e69a

"Regulators in the European Union will launch a probe into Adobes $20 billion purchase of design start-up Figma, Bloomberg reported on Monday, marking the latest antitrust investigation into the massive merger as regulators continue to crack down on a series of multi-billion-dollar tech acquisitions, including against Amazon and Google."

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/adobes-figma-deal-faces-full-scale-eu-antitrust-probe-sources-say-2023-07-24/
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3990272-adobe-wont-offer-remedies-address-eu-concerns-over-figma-deal
https://www.benzinga.com/news/large-cap/23/07/33353200/adobes-game-changing-20-billion-figma-acquisition-under-global-regulatory-microscope

Edited 7 Aug to add link to Reuters story that the EU confirmed what Reuter's reported in July

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/adobes-figma-deal-may-restrict-competition-eu-antitrust-regulators-say-2023-08-07/

Adobe's statement: "We remain confident in the merits of the case as Figma's product design is an adjacency to Adobe's core creative products and Adobe has no meaningful plans to compete in the product design space"

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July 24 sizes. Summary: AS is growing its collection agressively; everyone else is puttering

Adobe Stock AI collection [photos] {illustrations} (vectors) <videos>
12,731,818 [295,411] {12,386,484} (50,011) <356>

Dreamstime AI collection
3,787,241

CanStock collection (search for "generative ai") [search for "ai generated"]
(853,302) [853,284]

Shutterstock collection
782,127

123RF collection (search for "generative ai") [search for "ai generated"]
(654,968) [857,259]

DepositPhotos collection (search for "generative ai") [search for "ai generated"]
(99,769) [79,969]

(91,009) [77,259] vectors
(8,760) [2,710] photos
(2,394) [1,294] illustrations
(258) [1,482] videos

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If you and only have the raw file... and the sequence of shots it was taken with.  I would appeal and send screen shots of the raw files.

These were Midjourney creations and the OP has screen shots of him creating the images - but no RAW files for this type of image

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https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/21/23803244/meta-google-openai-microsoft-artificial-intelligence-ai-white-house-commitments

"In a Friday blog post, OpenAI said that the watermarking agreements would require the companies to develop tools or APIs to determine if a particular piece of content was created with their system. "

"Google pledged to deploy similar disclosures earlier this year. Kent Walker, Googles president of global affairs, reiterated that commitment in a statement Friday, saying that the company would soon be integrating watermarking, metadata, and other innovative techniques into upcoming generative systems. "

https://openai.com/blog/moving-ai-governance-forward

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2023/07/openai-google-will-watermark-ai-generated-content-to-hinder-deepfakes-misinfo/

"It's currently unclear how the watermark will work, but it will likely be embedded in the content so that users can trace its origins to the AI tools used to generate it."


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Now it's over the 12.5 million threshold - 12,512,192

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W-T-F Adobe? ? ? ? ?

two people shaking hands in front of a star filled sky. generative ai


a couple of men shaking hands over a sunburst. generative ai


two men shaking hands in front of a background with a pattern. generative ai

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Highroller is very recent (2015, I think). For boiled lobster I'd go for Chauncey Creek in Maine - given that I don't have any family members considerate enough to be in the lobster business.

And bear in mind I'm a first generation immigrant, so what do I know? :)

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