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Image Sleuth / Re: Stolen images on iStock by "Abdul Bayzid"
« on: July 28, 2023, 07:49 »
What is the iStock admin's email address?
I will contact them too.

I've sent a reply to the iStock admin with these new links.

Probably best to start with the general copyright complaint email - there isn't a case ID number or anything to identify my complaint.

[email protected]


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https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/07/stable-diffusion-xl-puts-ai-generated-visual-worlds-at-your-gpus-command/

The fantasy images are (IMO) better than the attempts to depict the real world with all these genAI tools. The elephant-octopus hybrid is visually cool, but in terms of stock image licensing, how much of a market is there for that? In other words, beyond the "oh WOW", what would business customers (the bulk of the trade for stock image agencies) use it for.

Size is larger (although still pretty small at 1024x1024).

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Image Sleuth / Re: Stolen images on iStock by "Abdul Bayzid"
« on: July 27, 2023, 18:53 »
iStock's email said they were terminating their relationship with this guy - possibly these were already in the queue?

They're stolen, but some from other sites, for example:

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/happy-halloween-banner-or-party-invitation-background-with-clouds-bats-and-pumpkins-gm1570497294-527910014
https://depositphotos.com/217005610/stock-photo-halloween-candies-paper-decorations-purple.html

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/happy-halloween-banner-or-party-invitation-background-with-clouds-bats-and-pumpkins-gm1570521253-527910080
https://xsj.699pic.com/tupian/09bvqq.html

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/happy-halloween-banner-or-party-invitation-background-with-clouds-bats-and-pumpkins-gm1570519064-527910077
https://depositphotos.com/125158348/stock-photo-spooky-halloween-pumpkins-on-wooden.html

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/happy-halloween-banner-or-party-invitation-background-with-clouds-bats-and-pumpkins-gm1570518475-527910053
https://www.canstockphoto.com/pumpkins-background-16130289.html

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/happy-halloween-banner-or-party-invitation-background-with-clouds-bats-and-pumpkins-gm1570499945-527910019
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/happy-halloween-holiday-concept-halloween-decorations-pumpkins-bats-ghosts-on-orange-gm1171184656-324381214

I've sent a reply to the iStock admin with these new links.

Edited July 28 to add that I received a reply from istock - in essence, we're working on it:
"As previously mentioned, we are in the process of terminating the relationship with the contributor. Once it is completed all content will be removed."
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The genAI collection is now 13,051,798 - world domination lies ahead!

I forgot to celebrate the 13 million milestone, so I thought I'd grab something to eat and then go on a trip.

I grew up in the UK and a Cornish Pasty sounded lovely - until they brought this concoction with red peppers and other foreign objects. I sent it back



Then I thought I'd try a different cuisine and ordered Aguachile, but what came out was an onion blanket with nothing much underneath, so I sent that back too.



I didn't want to miss my flight, so I borrowed a yellow skateboard to hurry over, but when I looked more closely, it was a strange seated model I thought I might injure myself with...



... so I called a taxi. Looked dodgy, but I was out of options!



Finally at the airport. Thinking my troubles were over, I looked up at the stairs ...



I finally sat down, starving hungry by this time, and then my heart sank as I looked at the food and drink...




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As a recent example (yesterday) of how much difficulty a stock image/video customer can get into when they use content from the wrong places...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/26/yorkshire-water-ad-ridiculed-over-clips-of-herefordshire-and-russian-bar

This was stock video, not AI images, but the goof could just as easily have occurred with genAI Adobe Stock images of "Yorkshire"

"The advert for Yorkshire Water made what appeared to be Yorkshire look wonderful: beautiful, sweeping countryside and smiling, friendly local people, some in a car and others enjoying their downtime in a pub.

But the countryside was not the Yorkshire Dales but the Malvern Hills. The car was left-hand drive and in Ukraine. The chances of getting a pint of Landlord from the pub would seem remote, given it was a bar called Eskimos located a couple of thousand miles away in a Russian ski resort near the Black Sea."


At Adobe Stock, the unsuspecting buyer could license supposed scenic views of the Yorkshire Dales, drone aerials of Whitby Harbour or Leeds, Sheffield town hall, a footbridge over the river Aire, Clifford's Tower in York, or many others.  None of these are real and would likely inspire the same mockery the Yorkshire Water ad did.

The problem with real places isn't just wonky Big Ben or the Eiffel Tower moving around Paris but all sorts of smaller cities or landscapes all over Europe and the US (or not really there, but labeled as if they were). Fake drone and aerial footage surprised me - with Google maps satellite view it's so easy to see how wrong these genAI creations are.

Here's just one example of a part of Devon, UK - the Salcombe Kingsbridge estuary. A search with the "Relevance" sort shows a number of real pictures but the second item in the list is a genAI effort that is wrong in just about every respect.

Real Salcombe estuary

https://stock.adobe.com/images/aerial-view-of-salcombe-and-kingsbridge-estuary-from-a-drone-south-hams-devon-england/585530226
https://stock.adobe.com/images/aerial-vista-of-salcombe-and-the-kingsbridge-estuary-south-hams-devon-england/484221969
https://stock.adobe.com/images/salcombe-devon/130326993

genAI's imaginary Salcombe

https://stock.adobe.com/images/drone-footage-of-the-kingsbridge-and-salcombe-estuaries-in-devon-england-s-south-hams-generative-ai/580334780

These not-real-places images need to be labeled so the buyer doesn't find themselves in the mess Yorkshire Water did.

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This morning the collection has crossed the 13 million mark (13,006,207)...

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There are written Adobe Stock rules that genAI images should not say it's a real place:

"Dont: Describe AI-generated content as depicting real people or places."

There are many thousands of examples of photo-like images supposedly of real towns or landmarks already in the collection and it's really unhelpful to customers who do the default search (which includes genAI images) to have no clue looking at the results that what purports to be Memphis, Fresno, London, the Eiffel Tower, Yellowstone, Austin, TX, etc. etc. isn't really.

The existing model for overlays on Editorial and Premium images (lower left of the thumbnail) would work well IMO and would alert buyers who don't even realize there is now AI content at Adobe Stock. They could then exclude genAI images for searches where it matters that the place they're searching for is depicted as it exists.

I did an example for a search for cliffs of moher which has a lot of recent AI uploads that could not be used if you were doing tourist promotions for that area of Ireland. Click for larger image



I started thinking about this when I saw an AI image labeled as Windansea beach in California and it clearly wasn't. I've been there.

Then I realized the description looked familiar and looked at one of my images of that area. It was copied verbatim by the AI uploader. The same thing had happened a few months back with a very different image of mine. Here are the pairs of images - it's not hard to guess which is the real one and which AI :)



I have no skin in this game - my images will continue to sell as long as the photo-realistic AI images of specific places are so useless - but from a buyer's perspective, if you want Tower Bridge in Sacramento, the genAI versions are 100% useless and just need to be clearly marked so the unwary buyer doesn't make an a$$ of themselves with Adobe Stock's help.

Although I do have some skin in the game - I don't want buyers walking away from Adobe Stock because they no longer feel safe licensing images there.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Stolen images on iStock by "Abdul Bayzid"
« on: July 26, 2023, 14:36 »
The iStock copyright team replied, asking me for image links or numbers so they could investigate. I had already given them a link to this thread. And pointed out that the first "similar" image points to the original for every image I checked.

I replied with 4 more links - the first four images of the 905-image portfolio - all of which are stolen, all from different contributors and told them I wasn't going to do all 905 as I think this set of 5 + 4 links should be adequate. We'll see what happens...

The stolen image is first, the original second in each pair. All original upload dates are earlier than the thiefs upload date

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/health-technology-healthcare-and-medicine-concept-gm1518542373-524430585
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/doctor-shows-global-health-care-gm1220632511-357499797

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/global-network-connection-modern-world-technology-background-gm1522761463-524695705
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/global-network-technology-gm1155359709-314505269

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/health-technology-healthcare-and-medicine-concept-gm1518548681-524430626
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/digital-technology-gm1143201403-306918584

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/health-technology-healthcare-and-medicine-concept-gm1518545504-524430606
https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/concept-of-cardiology-and-heart-health-gm684977302-125737733

It looks as though the same person used to have a SS portfolio, but that's already down

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Abdulbayzid

Edited to add that I received another reply from iStock saying that they've removed the images I reported (i.e. the above 4) and are in the process of terminating the relationship with the contributor. The 5 reported by the OP are still there so far. I hope tomorrow morning the whole portfolio will be gone.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Stolen images on iStock by "Abdul Bayzid"
« on: July 26, 2023, 09:42 »
Thanks for posting these - have you/are you going to contact iStock about it? Edited to add that I created a support ticket at iStock for this portfolio. Can't hurt to report again even if you already did :)

iStock has zero excuse for this nonsense. In every one of the items you posted - EVERY SINGLE ONE - the first item in the "Similar images" link is the original author's image.

iStock doesn't need any new software at all to catch lazy thieves - they can use their own existing feature and weed this out instantly. Port suspended after the first catch and if there's more than one incident, portfolio closed and user banned.

It's not hard. They just need to give a sh!t

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https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/shutterstock-joins-the-content-authenticity-initiative-301884514.html

I love the title of one Shutterstock employee quoted: Senior Director of Artificial Intelligence and Data Science

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Adobe Stock / Re: Figma acquired by Adobe
« on: July 24, 2023, 18:57 »
In addition to rumors that the US justice department is planning to sue to stop the Figma acquisition, Bloomberg says that the EU will launch a probe into it as well.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/adobe-20-billion-figma-deal-190613345.html

"The purchase is a massive bet that more creative work will be done by small businesses and everyday users on the web, a market that Figma has rapidly seized. While Adobe has introduced less-expensive, streamlined products for that audience, most of its offerings are still heavyweight programs aimed at specialists."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brianbushard/2023/07/24/tech-merger-crackdown-adobe-faces-eu-probe-over-20-billion-purchase-of-figma-report-says/?sh=74600166e69a

"Regulators in the European Union will launch a probe into Adobes $20 billion purchase of design start-up Figma, Bloomberg reported on Monday, marking the latest antitrust investigation into the massive merger as regulators continue to crack down on a series of multi-billion-dollar tech acquisitions, including against Amazon and Google."

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/adobes-figma-deal-faces-full-scale-eu-antitrust-probe-sources-say-2023-07-24/
https://seekingalpha.com/news/3990272-adobe-wont-offer-remedies-address-eu-concerns-over-figma-deal
https://www.benzinga.com/news/large-cap/23/07/33353200/adobes-game-changing-20-billion-figma-acquisition-under-global-regulatory-microscope

Edited 7 Aug to add link to Reuters story that the EU confirmed what Reuter's reported in July

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/adobes-figma-deal-may-restrict-competition-eu-antitrust-regulators-say-2023-08-07/

Adobe's statement: "We remain confident in the merits of the case as Figma's product design is an adjacency to Adobe's core creative products and Adobe has no meaningful plans to compete in the product design space"

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July 24 sizes. Summary: AS is growing its collection agressively; everyone else is puttering

Adobe Stock AI collection [photos] {illustrations} (vectors) <videos>
12,731,818 [295,411] {12,386,484} (50,011) <356>

Dreamstime AI collection
3,787,241

CanStock collection (search for "generative ai") [search for "ai generated"]
(853,302) [853,284]

Shutterstock collection
782,127

123RF collection (search for "generative ai") [search for "ai generated"]
(654,968) [857,259]

DepositPhotos collection (search for "generative ai") [search for "ai generated"]
(99,769) [79,969]

(91,009) [77,259] vectors
(8,760) [2,710] photos
(2,394) [1,294] illustrations
(258) [1,482] videos

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If you and only have the raw file... and the sequence of shots it was taken with.  I would appeal and send screen shots of the raw files.

These were Midjourney creations and the OP has screen shots of him creating the images - but no RAW files for this type of image

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https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/21/23803244/meta-google-openai-microsoft-artificial-intelligence-ai-white-house-commitments

"In a Friday blog post, OpenAI said that the watermarking agreements would require the companies to develop tools or APIs to determine if a particular piece of content was created with their system. "

"Google pledged to deploy similar disclosures earlier this year. Kent Walker, Googles president of global affairs, reiterated that commitment in a statement Friday, saying that the company would soon be integrating watermarking, metadata, and other innovative techniques into upcoming generative systems. "

https://openai.com/blog/moving-ai-governance-forward

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2023/07/openai-google-will-watermark-ai-generated-content-to-hinder-deepfakes-misinfo/

"It's currently unclear how the watermark will work, but it will likely be embedded in the content so that users can trace its origins to the AI tools used to generate it."


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Now it's over the 12.5 million threshold - 12,512,192

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W-T-F Adobe? ? ? ? ?

two people shaking hands in front of a star filled sky. generative ai


a couple of men shaking hands over a sunburst. generative ai


two men shaking hands in front of a background with a pattern. generative ai

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Highroller is very recent (2015, I think). For boiled lobster I'd go for Chauncey Creek in Maine - given that I don't have any family members considerate enough to be in the lobster business.

And bear in mind I'm a first generation immigrant, so what do I know? :)

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Canva / Re: Canva Observations
« on: July 19, 2023, 10:12 »
...
Canva unilaterally closed my account (for public complaining) before the payment cuts; otherwise, I expect I'd have complained :)
Oh wow, didn't know that, or forgot about it! All these agencies really are cut from the same cloth.

https://www.microstockgroup.com/canva/after-a-hiatus-they're-deleting-approved-files-again/

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These three recent approvals are among boat-loads of apple logos in genAI content - i.e. not marked Editorial Use Only

https://stock.adobe.com/images/modern-business-office-interior-design-concept/613791727
https://stock.adobe.com/images/modern-business-office-interior-design-concept/613791726
https://stock.adobe.com/images/modern-business-office-interior-design-concept/613791555

Not to mention that they have all sorts of other flaws that should have triggered a rejection...

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Adobe Stock / Re: Weird Rating
« on: July 19, 2023, 08:24 »
What is the top 200 rating? is there a way to see another photographer's rank?
Anyone?

The "How it works" text from that page might give a clue:

"The goal of this feature, apart from celebrating our talented contributors, is to inform you of what type of content is trending based purely on sales data.

Recent top sellers are determined each week using the following process:
For each asset type we generate a list of 200 contributors who made the most sales in the previous week, only considering their uploads from the past six months. Then, we order the list based on each contributors uploads/sales ratio, and the top 10 contributors on this list are featured as Recent top sellers.

Contributors are eligible to be featured at most once every five weeks. This selection process is subject to change in the future."

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The genAI collection is now 12,364,430 and growing. Looking at this morning's approvals, it continues to include images obviously sub-standard. Here are just a few to illustrate:





The title of this one is concept. The keywords give no useful clues:
cabinet office drawer file business computer furniture storage metal datum filing document file archive three-dimensional case box illustration folder technology icon document archive server equipment




Wonky hands are still an issue







A favorite from yesterday: "beautiful nature wallpaper generated by AI tool". The keywords are so bad that anyone searching for hammock palm trees won't find it



One more from today - lobster is near and dear to my heart and this "lobster roll" is inedible! Those objects are not lobster claws or tails; even if they were, you need to take the shell off





Highroller in Portland does the best lobster rolls anywhere (just in case someone wants to compare the real thing with this imposter Adobe Stock has accepted :)

https://highrollerlobster.com/menu/

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Canva / Re: Canva Observations
« on: July 19, 2023, 07:37 »
Edit: Weird how much outrage there was about SS cutting minimum paymet by 3-4X while Canva cut payment by 10X+ with little or no pushback.

Canva has never had the broad base of contributors that SS has/had. SS had also been around a lot longer with an early history (for those of us contributing then; I was contributor number 249) of growth in royalties as well as income. Ever since SS went public in 2012, things were increasingly less contributor friendly, but the overall sense of betraying those who had made their success possible boiled over with 2020's "margin optimization" moves.

Also, Canva was never just a stock agency. They were a web based design tool where images were just a necessary part of the package. Their main goal was to corner that market with their freemium model and then earn from subscriptions to their web based tools.

Canva unilaterally closed my account (for public complaining) before the payment cuts; otherwise, I expect I'd have complained :)

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Does shutterstock "officially" accept AI content now?

Not from contributors - see this page

https://support.submit.shutterstock.com/s/article/Content-Policy-Updates-AI-generated-Content

The points raised here apply to any agency accepting content generated by Midjourney, DALL-E, Stable Diffusion ... (emphasis mine)

"... although we developed an AI tool that generates images, Shutterstock will not allow AI-generated content to be submitted by contributors for licensing on our platform....

...we want to ensure contributors can prove IP ownership of all submitted content. Since AI content generation models leverage the IP of many artists and their content, AI-generated content ownership cannot be assigned to an individual. ... Given the availability of various AI content generation models in the marketplace, we are unable to verify the model source for most AI-generated content and therefore are unable to ensure all artists who were involved in the generation of each piece of content are compensated."

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Not sure how good the evaluations were (no idea who/what Insider Monkey is) but here's there take on the top 15 AI image generators (note that for the top 5 you have to follow a link, and then to get 4-3-2-1 you have to click "Next" links like a slide show. The site is littered with ads)

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/15-best-ai-image-generators-050331833.html


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@Jo Ann Snover:
Thanks for the links!
Unfortunately, the site https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/how-to-report-suspected-misuse-of-your-intellectual-property.html is not available in German.

I will contact Adobe in this matter - let's see how that works out using the DMCA page: https://www.adobe.com/de/legal/dmca.html
Hopyfully my english will do the job :)

You can feed the URL for any web page to Google translate and then select the language you want from the dropdown menu (top left). My Germany is next-to-non-existent so I can't tell if it's a good translation, but it's a start

https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&op=websites

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