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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is Shutterstock Manipulating the Numbers?
« on: January 19, 2025, 07:18 »
So what do I see? I see that the video review and acceptance on Shutterstock has become very long. I have been waiting for a video review for over a week. This has never happened before! It is obvious that the reviewer has been fired or transferred to work at Getty. This is the beginning of the end for Shutterstock.

Or maybe there is a backlog because reviewers were on holiday, while producers used the holidays to upload more?

Review times at istock for video are also much longer...

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This sounds like they get a lump sum for dataset earnings and just divide over their entire portfolio, treating videos and photos at the same value.

so video producers get a loss less, photo producers a lot more.

Very strange. maybe something to discuss in their own forums, or facebook groups or discord channel?

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is Shutterstock Manipulating the Numbers?
« on: January 18, 2025, 15:20 »
I have another theory about whats happening, especially on Adobe. I wont go too deep into it for now since my numbers on Adobe are still growing, but something has caught my attention.

Lately, Ive seen new accounts appearing on Adobe, filled exclusively with AI-generated contentimages and videos that look suspiciously similar to the top-selling ones on the platform.

Of course, last year, we got paid quite a bit because they "trained" their AI using our images. But what really worries me is the possibility that these accounts aren't real people, but rather fake company-run accounts, designed to grab all the earnings from contributors who actually put in the work and figured out what sells.



there is no conspiracy, alongside what feels like 1 million ai only new accounts are what again feels like one million new producers in all stock groups everywhere and huge followings on certain youtubers.

It is simply real people, sorting agency content by bestsellers and then copying to the tiniest detail with the help of ai.

And they are here to stay.

And all the other agencies currently not taking ai, will take ai at some point, meaning they will all show up there as well.

On some places like shutterstock there is already a massive influx of undeclared ai.

This is the new world of competition we are all living with.

And this is how the old school producers felt when we pierced their sacred bubble and ruined their wonderful life of penthouse party shootings with beautiful models, when we offered great content for 50 cents and debated endlessly if it ethical to raise the price to 1 dollar

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is Shutterstock Manipulating the Numbers?
« on: January 18, 2025, 07:12 »
When p5 was taken over by ss sales started to drop. But they kept rising on Adobe.

Many think this is because SS did a lot less marketing for p5, preferring to sell contracts via ss.

If the merger is now coming, perhaps we might get a similar effect, sales of contracts via all ss companies going down with sales of contracts via getty/istock going up.

I think this is something to pay attention to.

While they might keep the agencies formally alive and visible, this does not mean that the sales team will offer contracts for all agencies equally.

It would be a lot easier to bundle all sales via the getty team and just offer access to ss and p5 content under the getty umbrella.

By end of the year we will know how things develop.

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pos 3050 down again ..:(


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iStockPhoto.com / Re: December stats are up
« on: January 18, 2025, 06:06 »
44 dollars reported revenue on stockperformer.

But I am getting a payout with 176 dollars with previous months. At the moment a payout every three months.

I am slowly uploading again, we will see if it helps.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Stock Contributor Bonus 2025
« on: January 17, 2025, 15:57 »
Question: now that the new minimum number of accepted assets is 150, where on my account can I see how many were accepted this year?

You take a pen and write down how many files you have now, then check back in 3 months how many more files were accepted...

maybe strive to upload at least 500...just in case...

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So, yesterday I had 34 sales, this time 21 were ai, 13 were camera

Also some ai files getting their first download.

pos 2850, 7600 files.


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Why would you think he is smarter than us?

Our income depends on stock, his doesn't.

And he is missing the important point: customers want ready made ai content, just like they want preshot images.

The agencies need a great ai media collection.

And they need a midjourney killer app.

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Well, if these are all high quality people shots, why not?

I am trying to upload more people but I can rarely do more than 2-4 a day.

Next week sales should start to pick up.

eta

maybe picking up today?

so far 25 sales

7 camera, 15 ai


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This is what I mean, when I said that ai laws are not clear and there are legal ideas to make scraping visual media for training purposes of ai free to use.

Obviously also then text, music, software etc...

Ai is a new industry with a lot of potential and there is a huge lobby and investors working to remove any pesky "obstacles" like copyright law.

Different countries will have different solutions and it can take years to get a streamlined framework across the planet.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Stock Contributor Bonus 2025
« on: January 16, 2025, 05:22 »
The fixed budget/number of licenses thing could be part of the reason why they announce retroactive.

But it only rewards the ai spammers and longtime experienced producers who have a good sales/port size ratio look like they are being left out.

The most important factor is the number of downloads.

If they give that number out in advance a lot more people will try to reach more downloads and have more sales.

Wouldn't that be a positive thing?

i.e. wouldn't any higher license number to give out be compensated by the sales?

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pos 2870, 7600 files

fwiw yesterday I had 29 sales on Adobe

13 ai, 16 camera photo/video


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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Stock Contributor Bonus 2025
« on: January 16, 2025, 02:27 »
I doubt that they cannot make a simple prediction or at least an assumption of what requirements they have?

What would the worst case be, a few hundred too many people having a free licence for a year?

People who will be happy and motiivatedhow horrible

;)

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Stock Contributor Bonus 2025
« on: January 15, 2025, 14:26 »
It would be really helpful if the requirements could be posted at the beginning of the year, not as an afterthought.

Would also motivate a lot more people.

I qualify easily for the full suite this year, so thank you very much from me!!!

But please consider playing more fairly next time.

Why not announce what is needed in Dec 2025 for 2026?

Many good people upload slow and steady, no need to punish them or prefer the ai spammers.

I will upload a lot and hopefully never be without cc until I retire. If I ever retire.

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Only professionals can compete with good quality ai.

The amateurs are suffering most from the competition.


Yes, but amateurs with the earnings from stock are happy to buy a lens or a new camera, while professionals have to pay their bills,

So it becomes much easier for amateurs than professionals to compete against AI.

But if professionals can no longer make a living from it, what will happen to stock agencies? Will they only sell AI and snapshots of amateurs?

buying gear and lenses does not make you a good photographer.

the amateurs are the ones who will be squeezed out by ai content.

the pros can always make it work and a lot of the best ai content comes from professional photographers or designers.

some amateurs are now switching to ai. this way they don't have to learn proper photography.

but i doubt that a newbie amateur photographer just starting hs uploads of underxposed flowers, pets and overprocessed sunsets has any reasonable chance of getting sales.

in the old days, you could start with low quality and gradually improve your skills and improve your sales.

the only thing left with o photography skills is editorial.

preferable niches and places not yet covered by the pros.

pros also have the option of combining a work for hire shot, for instance marketing material for a restaurant, with a stock shooting, the client pays less and they get material for their ports.

amateurs don't know how to do that.

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Pond5 / Re: Pond5 he is definitely dead
« on: January 15, 2025, 05:46 »
They moved most of my files down to 35 dollars and I still have no sales.

Now, my files probably deserve a lower price because they are not high quality model released material, but the lower price made no difference.

I think the marketing for p5 has gone down.

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Adobe Stock / Re: AI photo rejections
« on: January 14, 2025, 09:31 »
I usually upload in batches of three:

 3 easter, 3 backgrounds, 3 people, 3 food and then always make sure these three are different

 - cheese, potato, cookies,

couple portrait, one child, one elderly person at home,

one easter basket on white, one easter cake, one easter bunny,

christmas tree, christmas gift, happy christmas kid...etc...

I think that helps.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is Shutterstock Manipulating the Numbers?
« on: January 14, 2025, 09:27 »
Could they have reduced their marketing activities with regards to the coming merger?

That fresh licensing contracts are sold more on getty/istock than SS already?

That is what many have suspected is happening with pond5. Sales crashed since the takeover.

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Regarding the abundance of AI in the search results. I would think that is largely do to the unending flood of AI submissions....new items always start out high in the search. It would be an interesting stat to see the rate of new AI assets vs. the rate of new actual photo assets introduced into the collection.

If the content was crappy or unwanted it simply wouldn't sell and stay on the first pages. I do test searches every day and many files have held their positions for nearly two years now or even keep rising.

The reality is a lot of ai content is very, very good and much better than what amateurs upload.

Only professionals can compete with good quality ai.

The amateurs are suffering most from the competition.

Whereas if I upload normal photo content, it sells just as well as before ai.

There is of course also a lot of stupid ai, but that doesn't rise in searches. The examples posted here are not from the first pages of a search.

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ai must be clearly labelled, then the customers can decide what they want to do.

And ai cannot be described or claimed to be of a specific location or editorial event.

It is forbidden under adobe rules and usually will not accepted.

People who disobey the rules are at risk of having their ports closed for fraud, because that is what it is.

ai creation for stock is not designed to replace editorial photography.

Just like any photoshop art is not designed to replace editorial photography of a specific location.

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Getty will take ai content when they are ready.

There is no question about that.

SS already has it, but made by their own team or customers. And it looks horrible so far. Then they have the ai from uploads that is not declared as ai and they don't seem to care...


I think Getty first needs to come up with an ai creator that can produce content on the same level as midjourney. Adobe is trying to do that as well, but firefly still cannot compete. Adobe is also more keen to integrate this tool into photoshop, which makes perfect sense.

Once Getty has that, an ai tool as good as midjourney, they can start offering that app not just to commercial clients but also the general public that enjoys ai as a hobby.

That is a gigantic market, millions of people paying midjourney or other ai companies every month just to have fun with ai.

Then they can offer a commercial version to create stock, that probably can only be sold on istock/getty.

This way, they control the legal path and...everytime such an ai image is sold, the original creators of the camera training content can also be paid a tiny amount of money.

At the moment they are testing this with the ai tool they offer. Customers can amend files with the getty ai tool and origianl creators get tiny amounts for how their work got included.

But once ai content "made by getty" can be sold as stock on istock, it will become a very different thing.

Also they will make money from the huge group of ai producers who must then pay for the getty app to produce content.

And they can also forbid selling their ai on other platforms. So the Getty ai content will be exclusive to their platform.

Legally also much safer than content on Adobe which is made by all kind of platforms that did not license content properly.

Perhaps adobe or getty will also buy companies like midjourney, or sora or flux.

But ready made ai content will be avaialable on all platforms just like preshot camera content.








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If you were the editor of Lonely Planet or National Geographic would you risk buying AI images?

AI images and texts are the result of probabilistic and not deterministic algorithms. Errors are always around the corner.

With Photoshop and retouching, errors were very rare, but when they happened, magazines were laughed at. With AI, the probability of running into these errors increases a lot.

Specific locations, I would prefer camera content. Probably real editorial to make sure nothing was edited.

But happy people hiking, at the beach, general city stroll, close up of a kid eating ice cream, families taking selfies at generic summer background, empty generic hotel room, generic airport with people travelling - for that ai  will do perfectly well.

The reason ai is all over regular search results is because it has great response from customers.

Agencies always put customer interactions first.

That is why ai is mostly a "threat" to people who don't know how to shoot or process files properly.

No algo can force a customer to buy an ugly crappy "real camera" file if right next to it is a beautifully composed, well lit, great looking ai image.

But the editorial market will always be safe from ai and even with low quality amateur images people will still make money.

For generic commercial stock however...if you don't know how to produce professional looking content, the ai producers will eat your lunch.



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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shuterstock about to get eaten by Getty
« on: January 14, 2025, 03:29 »
first 13 days of January:
- AS: 272,58 USD Download: 40
- SS: 53.81 USD Download: 30

Only videos .. no AI ...

That is really interesting, I didn't think that Adobe was already doing this well with video.

On pond5 I see a lot of creators blaming increased competition for their lack of sales, whereas for me it is obvious that since the takeover p5 was no longer being marketed properly.


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In the Adobe library this is clearly labelled as ai.

However it should not have a description claiming it is a real location. But the customer can easily see it is a fantasy image.

On Shutterstock you find entire ports consisting of ai images who have been accepted as camera content or handmade illustration, with no distinctions. Customers cannot filter them.

Adobe will certainly need to revisit their ai library and remove misleading content.

But if Adobe starts removing bad looking content, it will be removing lots of the ugly amateur photos first.

And all content is "sorted" by customer interactions.

You can always find ugly stuff to post here, but the reality is the ai collection is overall much better looking than the amateur content and mass duplicates being uploaded.

There is a reason ai sells so well.

And soon, you will have huge ai collections at all the other agencies.

It is inevitable.

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But my sales volume didnt change, neither did the ratio of camera to ai.

Ok, I am just one example, but if there was a gigantic drop or problem I would have seen that.

Adobe just played around with their UI on a quiet week-end with low sales time.

Then it snowballs into Adobe hates ai and weird dramatic articles are posted.

It does show a deep insecurity towards modern technology by all those who are not ready to adapt to changes.

Even though nobody is forced to use ai, if your sales are fine with camera content, that is ok.

All other agencies are planning to have their own ai Kollektion.

It is inevitable.

Customers buy from agencies because they dont have time to take their own pictures.

They also dont have time to do their own prompting and very happily buy ready made ai.


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ai is mostly a threat to people that dont really know how to use a camera, because their amateur images cannot compete with much better looking ai content.

Otherwise, as long as you do your research and offer content clients actually need you will always make money.




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