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General Stock Discussion / Re: Stockxpert going down?
« on: April 11, 2009, 12:42 »
Any serious business owner would show a lot more interest in fixing all those bugs on the site and also communicate what the plans for the future are.

The business owner is Getty. Why would he put money in a competitor of Istock? Rumors are that most of the staff is fired. What Getty's plans are, nobody knows, but StockXpert as we knew it is gone.

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Canon / Re: Upgrade from Canon 20D.
« on: April 11, 2009, 07:54 »
So far I did nor really consider the 5D. Basically because it is relatively old and has "only" 12 MP.

The 5D MKII where everybody is talking about, has 22MP, and it is around 6 months "old".

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http://www.zymmetrical.com/blog/


The idea of stockastic is not that bad: an independent review house (food health inspection) and a clearing house to guarantee your ID and legality and verify/archive your model releases while keeping your privacy. Assuming every photo then comes with an inspection and verification fee, plus you have to maintain your own site and do the SEO (adding presale costs), - the real issue is then what the difference is with a stock site like Zymm, that gives 70% and allows pricing.  ::)

One good reason to still do it is the tsunami of "low commercial value"/"we don't need this" rejections of technically perfect shots, that start to plague all the sites. A contributor is at the merci of what they think is salable, and sites often neglect the long tail.

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In November of 2006 I received an email from Bradt Travel Guides. They had found a photo of a condor in my gallery and wanted to use it for the cover of a new guidebook on Peruvian Wildlife. They offered a price, I countered, they offered the same price, I accepted. Now my photo is on a book. Its on a real book in the real world. Cool.

After selling the photo I thought hey, maybe I could sell other photos! The obvious place to do this was on stock photography websites. I tried out some of the leading ones. Most rejected the photos I submitted. One popular stock site actually called the photo that I had already sold as unsellable. That was funny.

So this, Steves story, and a few others around the office got us thinking. What gives the editors of stock photo sites the right to be policing the marketplace? Shouldnt the buyers decide what suits their needs? Shouldnt any photo a photographer wants to sell be able to be placed for sale? As we found out, the photo you least suspect could very well be the perfect photo for someone. This was the beginning of ClusterShot.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: No More Car Photos
« on: April 11, 2009, 07:33 »
That is pretty crazy.

Well it's not. Ford holds the copyright for its design. If you make money out of it (commercial stock), you are infringing upon Ford's copyright. Actually, in the SS post they showed themselves very reasonable: you can still upload if the focus isn't on very specific and unique design elements, like the grill and scoop. The rest is still allowed as editorial.

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Adobe Stock / Re: No Payout, No Help?
« on: April 11, 2009, 07:26 »
I never had any problem with FT payout, although they are relatively slow. My last payout request was on 18/3 and I received the $ on Paypal on 27/3. That's 9 days, like Freezing.

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New Sites - General / Re: Fotomina
« on: April 11, 2009, 07:16 »
- IPTC import.
- Good SEO.
- Minimum of 10$ payout.
- Fast approve.
- They can delete their photos anytime.
- Good support.

Add this:
- FTP or import of a zipped file (technically easier to program).
- The addition of the company's name, address, phone and legal status on the "About" page. Buyers are worried about that.
- Proper review of image technical quality and of the keywords. If you don't do that, you will attract a lot of amateurs uploading straight from cam, bunches of similars, and batch-added spam keywords that ruin the search result. Like YAY, you will have to spend a lot of time later to remove these shots again. Better be selective from the start. The BIG 6 are mostly right about their rejections, except for the LCV reason.
- Add an easy Model Release attach module. Most scripts like Coppermine, Lightboxphotos, yours? don't have that so you will need to program it in. Most work on a new site is to attach the MRF, so it needs to be fast and easy.

Good luck, but you are entering a very saturated market where relative newcomers like Zymmetrical and Cutcaster find it hard to survive.

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New Sites - General / Re: Flowector
« on: April 11, 2009, 03:23 »
Wow! You get a whopping 5$ + 5$ for uploading your 20 best, and you'll get up to 25% commission (that means less mostly) on a sale.

"start downloading world class vector files instantly for as little a $0.5" : so if you get up to 25% of that download, that means you'll earn up to 0.12$ on that sale.

No address, no TOS, but the domain is registered by... Ron Chapple. Strange.

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Off Topic / Re: Easter and Pesach
« on: April 10, 2009, 18:50 »
If we celebrate Easter today, it is for the religious meaning.

Well some might celebrate it for the christian meaning, and that's great. The muslims and the misguided infidels don't do it for that, and certainly not the newage "athiests" (whatever that is). But the original meaning in Northern Europe is still the spring rites. But I don't want to start a philosophical discussion here about gods, prophets, goddesses, spirits, voodoo or global warming.  :P

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New Sites - General / Re: Fotomina
« on: April 10, 2009, 16:56 »
about wiredtree.com you really need to use their service to see why I will never leave them

I know. I bookmarked right after reading. They have great sections on coding and on MySql. I was just amazed they used a Nepal domain. The English is that fluent that I'm sure they're not Nepalese. I hope they will continue to support you since Fotomina certainly needs a better search engine, IPTC: many beginning sites struggle with IPTC (please include newline in the keywd separation, and FTP.
Why didn't you work with lightboxphoto?

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New Sites - General / Re: Fotomina
« on: April 10, 2009, 15:29 »
The war started!!  ;D
Hahaha, you bet! This forum is the Mother of all Skepticals  :P
In the beginning we wanted to wait sometimes before we start a thread announcing Fotomina launch here in microstockgroup forum but ...   :D
Yes we always find out too early because we have a huge global network of spies.  :D
Big 6 websites did not start with 1500000 photos and Illustrations, every stock photo site start with one photo... They start small and then they become big, if there is no photographers/contributors they won't exist. Nothing is ridiculous here.
That's not exactly true. Dreamstime, iStock, Shutterstock started with a relatively large collection with their own photos, and as you maybe know, all the CEOs of these sites are still avid photographers.
Domain has been registered 6 weeks ago does not mean that we have to wait 3 years before we start inviting artists! We will move of course to dedicated server if we need to.
True + true.
and if you can see the source code of page:
Hahahaha, great! You changed it after my post and you also removed the comment section stating the blogger where you got the code from  ;D
It was there before, now it's gone. Hire me as a consultant, lol  :P

Well good luck anyways! (I mean it).



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General Stock Discussion / Re: No More Car Photos
« on: April 10, 2009, 14:41 »
Need proof? Just take a look at the most downloaded images for 'car' on iStock: click here.


Well the sports car are illustrations, with one's own design, which is a very cool way to solve the copyright question. The SUV is an existing brand: the thumb is still there, but the image has been disabled.
There is however this minicooper which even has the brand name in its keywords. I figure this one will be gone soon too.

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General - Top Sites / Re: Sales on Shutterstock vs. Fotolia
« on: April 10, 2009, 14:30 »
This is all good feedback and it is interesting to see some people are having similar results to me in that they are having the most sales on SS, then Fotolia, followed by DT, StockXpert, and finally iStock.

I think I am going to go back into Fotolia and slowly start optomizing the top seven keywords as Lisafx suggested.

Well it's not the same for everybody. For me DT is the best after SS, and FT sucks big deal, notwithstanding the fact that all my keywords are ranked by importance, and that I make sure the bare essentials are in the top 7. I'm actually slowly deciding to concentrate more on iStock, read the forums, ask advice, find what they want, and postprocess especially for them. You really can't concentrate on more than 3 sites I guess, and iStock is a much better investment than FT.

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I want to run my own restaurant, but no one will come in unless they know it's approved by the health inspector.

Explained like this, it sounds like a very good idea. Especially the universal image search engine by Google etc... they added metadata and surrounding info recently to power Google Images, while before, the search only relied on file names. If they would buy the Tineye technology (which I expect) they could even sift the duplicates of the same image on several sites, included those of the customers that bought it. Personal sites will have the same chance as stock sites. Paypal has developed some cool APIs to sell from a personal site directly.

A certification organism of reviewers would be a major asset then, since they can attach technical quality labels in an undisputed way. No rejection for similars nor LCV. Let the buyers decide... Darwinian approach. You've got a great idea there, when will you start implementing it?  :P

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Have you seen...
« on: April 10, 2009, 13:59 »
I'd guess it's a tribute band or something.  I can't see that spending money on costuming and props would pay back.

We have clothes/uniforms/apparel renting shops, where you can rent anything.

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What is your experience with the best TYPE of photo you have sold on Fotolia. I'm curious to know what has been doing well for everyone.

For me nothing at all. I have no clue what sells there or what they want. Rejection reasons are very mystical, so I don't read them any more. There is also no way to see what images were rejected, at least not for me. I get a cryptic rejection site mail with an image number, not even a thumb or a title.

They are my lowest selling site. My 7 days rank went down to an all-time low of 8000+. I don't understand them at all. Many claim it's one of their top sites, for me, it I go down all the time despite regular uploading: last 7 days rank = 8060+ coming from 2000+ a year ago with half the portfolio. Submitted: 600, accepted 400, lately going up to 85%.

Perhaps contributors like Arcurs (he says FT is his best selling site) made private deals with FT to get precedence in the search engine. With the last commission deal made in such a sneaky way, I also lost my trust. There was also an incident 2 years ago when my password change didn't work, and support never replied. I just got an email much later when I mentioned it here on the MSG. It turned out they changed my password to 'fotolia' and it staid like that for months. Very difficult to guess for a hacker  :P.

The password on my FTP is still a mystery, so I have to upload by HTML: more than 3 images at a time fail without any error message. Given the cumbersome upload process, included their much too complicated and overlapping categories, the time to upload isn't really worth the meager sales, so I stopped uploading last March.

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New Sites - General / Re: Fotomina
« on: April 10, 2009, 12:03 »
That's on the front page Haha


From domaintools we learn that the domain has been registered 6 weeks ago, and just prepaid for one year. That he isn't on a dedicated server, but on a shared server, and that they host on WIREDTREE.COM in Chicago.

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Off Topic / Re: Easter and Pesach
« on: April 10, 2009, 11:12 »
you can stay pagan if you choose, but hell, going that far back isn't quite my cup of tea. not even sure if tea was found just then during the neanderthal age  ;D

Well, she was mentioning the "real" meaning. And you can be a pagan with a DSLR too  ;)
It's fun to see how the rabbit and the eggs survived 2000 years christianity, so deep inside we probably are all pagans. Whatever.

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What I'm suggesting is a company that just does reviews.  They don't hold, display or sell your photos - that's up to you.  All they do is let you display their logo with your images, stating that they've been independently reviewed for image quality.
1. Rinder had an idea like that 2-3 years ago, but without review. He thought skilled microstockers knew perfectly well when their image was good or not. Play your own reviewer. If you collect a bad reputation, people won't buy any more. Or do it like MP, where the buyer can zoom in at full size. He had a look into it and he concluded he couldn't handle the management, not if he wanted to stay a photographer.
You can also introduce peer review: many of the the good photographers here are already reviewer at some site.
Imagine the pressure put on the reviewer when he is directly paid by you.
2. What about Smugmug?

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Obvously, it wouldn't be a one-man business, it would require resources and investment.

Well then it's a stock site. Unless you would do it all by yourself. The argument that you can set your own prices also holds for Zymm, Cutcaster and Featurepics.

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Crestock.com / Re: Crestock Rejects?
« on: April 10, 2009, 10:50 »
12 of 12 rejected. 11 of them with reason "composition" and one with reason "does not meet Crestock creative....." :D

Are you still there??  :'(

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If history teaches us one thing it is to find a way to CUT OUT THE MIDDLEMAN.

To be effective for SEO, you'll need to combine several photographers. To have similar quality, you need to have trusted long-term reviewers. You'll need a coder to maintain and extend the code, and not one that runs away in the middle of the project like what happened on YAY. You'll need at least 1 full-time staff for offering support to contributors. and to buyers. You'll certainly need an accountant. You'll need a CEO to coordinate it and post to the MSG. Well... this is another microstock site;D


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Dreamstime.com / Re: Flash viewer
« on: April 10, 2009, 08:14 »
On my Firefox I have flash blocked, so I don't get all the spam and ads running up page loading times. If I want to see something I click on an arrow and it loads.

If it's a unique URL on DT, you can set exceptions in your blocking. I work the opposite way: allowing flash in general but I block all flash banners on sites that have it in their landing page. When logged in, DT doesn't have it.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: I love the new DT search engine !
« on: April 10, 2009, 08:08 »
The point here is that buyers shouldn't have to switch searches to find the best (i.e. most 'relevant') images. New images need to be peppered in with older best-selling ones, but not at their expense.

Well that's what caused the "whining" (default=downloads) and in fact, during those days I sold only "old" images with downloads. The tweaking goes on since the last 2 days, I sold about 1/4 very old (2005) and a few very new ones (2009). So there is a mix already now, in the relevance option. Just keep doing your benchmark "airplane" every 4 days or so, and you'll probably see a difference.

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@OP as this is not allowed on our forums, it would be a good exercise to use the freedom of MSG and ask for critiques from other users by posting the images. This generic discussion is not helpful without seeing the images.

That's why I asked his "port" in the begin. I should have said the "rejected ones". It's useless to discuss this in abstracto. Maybe Leaf should open a separate category dedicated to rejections + advice to keep it organized. Also, the full size image should be posted. It's easy to put a big bar or cross over it in PS.

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That's how the microstocks got the price of a photo down to 25 cents, over a period of years.

0.25$ ? I get many subscription sales of 0.19$ on Gods Gift to stock: iStockphoto.

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