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This author gives a personal take on this issue.
http://thedambook.com/getty-did-what
I wonder if his images are embedded under this scheme?
I clicked on the images and they took me to Getty.
I right-clicked on the minibus pic, and it allowed me to save it out, and when copied into Photoshop, there is no copyright notice, contact information or any other metadata.
If they're hoping to catch people out by entrapment, they clearly haven't studied a wide enough range of European national laws.


This is an excellent analysis, best article I have seen so far.

It has a lot of information, please read it carefully and draw your own conclusions on what your future will bring.

3952
It doest matter if photographers leave or sue.

If they can sell this story of the amazing new advertising platform which will create google adwords like revenue streams and pitch that to wall street investors with the right buzzwords, they can probably pick up millions of dollars of investor money long before they even sell one single advertising contract.

Instead of focussing on revenue growth or profit, all attention will now be on the number of embedded viewers. If their profits should fall, they can always say they are investing heavily in "their new platform".

So the story has many ways to generate money for Getty.

Selling more licenses isnt even necessary.

And if it doest work, they can just go back to blaming SS for everything.

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They are not including the best Getty collections - Digital vision isnt in there, neither is culture or images from outside providers like Blendimages. And of course no RM.

But Photodisc, photographers choice, all the Vetta content and S+, all the illustration from istock - just help yourself to illustrate your  news site, magazine etc...And of course if you can get someone to write a blog about your business, but the blog is not formally hosted by your business,just flanked by ads...then you can use them too.


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DPReview shows the image size being provided
http://www.dpreview.com/news/2014/03/06/getty-to-allow-embedding-for-non-commercial-use-of-images?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=news-list&utm_medium=text&ref=title_0_0


I hadn't thought too hard on it, but I guess that now CNN, FOX and any other news site can use these images for free.  Nice.


They definitely need image gifts, these poor, poor companies. How dare we ask for money to publish our work.

3955
On istock someome wrote this affects only files on getty. So Vetta and e+ will be included but the indepedents will be spared?

Is that true?

3956
The Microsoft deal was about getting the "random eyes" linked to Getty.

The Getty Google Deal was about the "random eyes" linked to Getty.

Now the amazing 35 million free for blogs embedding deal is about the "random eyes" linked to Getty.

Time and attention will be devoted to this project. Maybe,perhaps,one day enough embeds will be there to include advertising (below the image,inside the image?)

Maybe then money will be paid by advertisers to Getty.

Maybe then a tiny stream will reach artists.

Maybe one in a million from the "random eyes" will click on the link go to Getty and license the file.

In the meantime other agencies invest time, efforts and resources at identifying customer groups who are ready to spend money today. They cultivate this business relationship, they cultivate the relationship with their artists. They make a huge effort to connect the right kind of target group of buyers with the right kind of content.

They generate income from direct license sales.

This is what I am interested in. Money.

My files will go where the money flows.

(removing the XS size to avoid giving blogs a cheap entry option to buy stock directly - that is also clever right? I mean - why bother with XS if they can get it all for free?)

3957
istock had a project with a blogsite called vox. Files could be embedded for free and they all had links to our portfolios and individual files.

I saw no increase in sales, not even views and I think neither did istock. The project was cancelled.

But of course there was no advertising being flashed at the end user through the images.

Maybe if istock had done that, istock would have had advertising revenue. But in those days istock was in the business of selling files,not using their content to rent it out at end users and avoid paying the artist.

As an artist you anyway have to be lucky to get your files "viewed" to even have a chance of making a sale. Are your files interesting enough to stand out in the 35 million files to be chosen to be viewed?

But for the advertising revenue again it doest matter. They just need a platform with a critical size of users (here: embedded viewers)  to get the advertisers to pay them.

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David - some of my files in the Microsoft deal had a functioning link to my portfolio on istock. I think 4 files from 25.

I had no correlation in sales. No increase. No drop after the files where removed from Microsoft.

You need to target the right kind of customers very carefully to make money.

I really hope it works out for you.

3959
I think this might be the easiest way to get an idea how vulnerable you are. Get some stats on how you find your files being used and then see in how many cases you could have been replaced by the viewer.

The announcement will certainly lead many people to believe that "everything on getty is now free".

Maybe this will help push the viewer around. Or maybe it will just be a short lived internet hype.

How fast will the getty lawyers sue people who use the viewer in the wrong place? And after a few people get sued, how many people will continue using the viewer?

And will anyone ever be sued? Because if the real money is supposed to come from advertising, why would they care if it is placed on a commercial website?

Many questions...

But the artists have to decide if they want to take part and spread the viewer.

This is a very big project if they really want to be successful with it. I would look carefully at their track record in technology, sales and growing a business to decide if I should be scared or not.

The more immediate problem is the introduction of subscriptions on everything on istock except Vetta. I would be more scared of that if I was still exclusive.

3960
They exist, but are they a big market? If I had a little money, I would be using legal free content.

If the blog is commercial, i.e. a company blog, they need to license files properly. These are the people that buy a yearly subscription package or pay for the more expensive files.

Until someone shows me the data, I never thought my files were being widely used on non profit blogs. When I do a google search for my name and my files I usually find them on commercial websites.

Where do you find yours?

3961
The blogger has the choice between grabbing a file from google, or a free creative commons license or installing a viewer. What do you think is faster to do? There are millions of free images available already that are legal to use. Even for commercial purposes.

You are talking about the huge volume of people going after freebies.

They usually dont spend money anyway. Getting people who love free to even just pay 1 cent for anything is incredibly difficult. Terrible conversion rate.

I dont see these people as my market.

The commercial users,even the small business need to pay. And Getty says themselves they dont believe it will change their core business.

For me this talk about "preventing copyright infringing" is the pitch line to get the artists to comply and help spread the viewer.

Then the real money will come for Getty when they make deals with the advertisers. But they have to build the platform first and need critical mass to make it interesting.

Building a platform can take a lot of time. Lets see if it works first.

But they might not even need it to really work if they are going after the money of investors. Then they just need a plausible looking story where the "real money" comes in a very distant future.

Whatever is their real motive, I think for me it will be better to keep special files elsewhere. But I have content for the viewer. Sure. No problem.

3962
I tried to explain that I dont think Getty will be successful with the project, not that I want SS to succeed with it.

But SS has better technology experience and if they wanted to pull it off they probably could. Again, I dont mean that I want them to do it.

Why would they? Until now, they are in the business of selling files, not renting views to advertisers.

They make real money, they dont promise vague returns in a distant future in case they are ever successful at building a huge platform.

The more I think about it, the more I see it as just another hot air project.

It has the ability to do damage, but I dont have my best files on the Getty platform.

I learnt a lot from the Microsoft deal.

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It will only affect everyone if it really becomes widely used and thus a "platform".

Until then it is cool buzzwords that will drive lots of "innovative" articles.

Which is why they are revamping the advertising toolkit for the artists, hoping we will help to widely advertise the use of the viewer.

A real platform needs huge volume. iTunes,ebay or youtube size.

Which is why they say they are open to inviting other agencies....


Even if the concept really did catch on - what is to stop SS to come up with their own version? And who has more experience in creating reliable internet technology and growing an internet business...?

I do believe it has potential to kill sales if a file really becomes popular. Why buy something you can rent for free if renting is made easy?

Getty will still benefit from the advertising revenue, while my poor file is "viewed"

If anything the project has  a lot of potential to drive people with quality content to stocksy, Offset, RM sites or to work on their direct sales shops.


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@ David

Dont you think your excellent results on Getty are related to their careful advertising and marketing of what is in essence their flagship store?

You didnt see a Valentines day image being carelessly left on the front page of Gettyimages, did you?

A business will only grow if it is given a lot of focus and attention. istock really didnt get much love. They drove customers actively away - to Thinkstock or Getty, they stopped investing in staff, technology and offices.

istock didnt grow because they didnt want it to grow.

Getty itself is improving because of their attention to it.

At least, this is the way I see it.

But if you believe that having your files rented out in a viewer will drive your sales, best of luck.

I remember one file that was available in the Microsoft deal - it had 660 000 free downloads and not a single sale on istock. It definitely brought benefit to Microsoft office, because people enjoyed using it for their projects.

So I doubt that many random eyes will increase my sales. The Microsoft deal gives me 1.3 million free downloads of proof that it wasnt working for me.

3965
True, this involves the use of reliable technology...hm...no, they have no track record in that. So the amazing masterplan will probably fold onto itself anyway.

Back to shoot, upload, repeat and all the other agencies that are in the business of selling my files, not renting them out for free and then charging advertisers for the "service".

The talk about the copyright infringers is probably the buzzline to get people to help them build the platform. Especially to get the artists to help them build a platform that will in the end probably not pay them.

I mean, what other argument could they use to make people look forward to this?? 

But it might be enough to get wall street investors excited and spend millions of other peoples money...I mean..it does sound all internety and cool...

3966
As an artist if you really want to benefit from this you will need to upload images suitable for mass distribution,especially via social media.

Grumpy cats,cute babies,funny or bizarre things people like to share. Nude people images probably as well.

Niche content,highly advanced specialised and expensive shootings...not so much...

ETA: Just wanted to highlight this

"All the agencies are looking for ways to make money off of an image without calling it a "sale", because if it's a sale they have to pay a commission."

3967
The content will not be free. It will be paid for by the advertisers. But to Getty, not the artists.

They are just building the platform and hope many people use the player.

It is another step towards trying to "automate" dealing with stock. Mass uploads, mass distribution of images and then monetising it in individual deals with the advertisers in private that the artists never see.



3968
I see a lot of potential for getty to make money, but i am afraid I really dont see it for the artists.

But good luck to those who look forward to having their files included.

3969
It sounds like they are trying to monetise our content like youtube does. Our images will illustrate the blog article or newspaper,but we no longer get properly paid. Just the "hope" someone uses the link to go to the website to buy the content.

They are renting out the content for free and making THEIR money in other ways while we live on hope??

Is this the new "getty connect"?

they really must think the stock artists are like the people who upload to flickr or youtube.

Who will invest in production for having their images rented out for free?

ETA. the poor istock exclusives. No opt out from the new subscription program. No opt out from the "viewer".

Ill have to look at my content again. Getting low subs royalties is one thing. Being used by a magazine for free is something else.

3970
This means a designer can work for a magazine or non profit website, design everything and set it up. he or she gets paid for their work, but the artist doesnt?

I mean, wouldt all newspapers now be able to include images for free? With the exception of fresh reportage on current news?

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http://www.bjp-online.com/2014/03/getty-images-makes-35-million-images-free-in-fight-against-copyright-infringement/

I am trying to imagine Sony music offering a free online stream for half their music library or disney most of their videos.

I know some TV stations offer select content for free or with advertising, but I have a difficult time seeing it work with photos in the same way.

Or do you think this will have no effect on our sales??

And of course...there is no opt out.

3972
LOL! No!


3973
So they can definitely afford to give us a raise ;)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock New Sub. Model Just Announced!
« on: March 05, 2014, 12:47 »
On SS I read you must use the file within 12 months. So this is probably a normal thing to do. I understood it was meant to block people from just hoarding files they will never use or dont have immediate projects for.

From the SS standard license:

"20. Stockpile or otherwise store downloaded Images that are not used within twelve (12) months of the date on which you first downloaded such Image. If you fail to use an Image within twelve (12) months from the date of your first download of that Image, you lose all rights to use that Image."

http://www.shutterstock.com/licensing.mhtml?hsb=1&type=standard

eta: Sean was faster...of course ;)

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Shutterstock.com / Re: How are sales going?- Shutterstock
« on: March 05, 2014, 11:19 »
That is not what I am trying to do. I am interested in all agencies, but istock and SS are the biggest.

What happens there concerns most of the community.

And looking for a raise when it seem to be a good opportunity - whats wrong with that?

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