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« on: January 21, 2024, 19:47 »
Where is the representative from shutterstock here on the forum? Maybe we should invite them. Let them tell you why video sales and video income began to decrease.
They closed their forums and made it clear they dont want to talk to us.
They used to have great team, not anymore.
In their financial statements they keep promoting how they are turning the company to be a data licensing company and are already making 20 million a quarter with ai licensing versus 80 million for stock sales which have not increased.
How does the Data Licensing work?
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« on: January 21, 2024, 19:46 »
Where is the representative from shutterstock here on the forum? Maybe we should invite them. Let them tell you why video sales and video income began to decrease.
How is the video sales on Shutterstock these days compared to pre-video sub 2019?
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« on: January 18, 2024, 11:38 »
it took 10 years to get 6,500 photos on Adobe Stock, but took only 3 months to add 3,000 AI generated photos on Adobe Stock
I'm sure you spend less time and money on generating AI photos than the real life photos
Much much less. And I don't need to spend any money to create images in all over the world, or beyond earth too. So, it's a game changer. I don't even need to hire/pay my stock models anymore. That's bad for them.
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« on: January 18, 2024, 11:36 »
The greediness of their management has no limit. So here are the consequences...and when the numbers talk all the rest does not matter.
Yeah, you can only screw people over so long before it catches up with you. By people I mean contributors - who they actually need to look after otherwise we go somewhere better, like Adobe stock. I have zero loyalty now towards S/S. Karma is a biatch.
It's business and loyalty doesn't come into it. I don't expect SS (or Adobe for that matter) to be loyal to me and I'm certainly not loyal to them. I will continue to contribute to SS just so long as it's is in my interests. If the terms or circumstances change so that it is no longer in my interests then I will walk away.
Absolutely true. But I don't think it's a smart corporate strategy.
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« on: January 17, 2024, 09:47 »
If you different portfolios how you can even compare them, I have exactly the same portfolios on AS and SS, for me SS is 3x the number of downloads of AS.
Do you make 3x on SS as well?
Usually more than double.
Good for you!!
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« on: January 17, 2024, 08:33 »
Video on SS is in the same boat.
Crazy how fast things can turn.
Wow, that's sad. At SS's peak years like 5-6 years ago, SS video sales were sometimes on par with Pond5 video sales. Video sub drastically and quickly decreased SS video sales revenue. So, I stopped selling videos on SS. I see many contributors doing the same.
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« on: January 17, 2024, 08:29 »
If you different portfolios how you can even compare them, I have exactly the same portfolios on AS and SS, for me SS is 3x the number of downloads of AS.
Do you make 3x on SS as well?
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« on: January 17, 2024, 02:45 »
So far this month in January 2024. This is sad. It's on pace for only 1/2 the January 2023 sales. Shutterstock used to be the King. Whatever gone wrong there.
Shutterstock used to pay us $0.38 minimum for subscription sale like Adobe Stock does. Since they introduced wonderful $0.10 photo sub commission, contributor enthusiasm seem eroded. Probably Shutterstock nowadays doesn't get as many quality photos or videos as Adobe Stock does. They still own Pond5 now. So, they get the best stock videos on Pond5. But for the photos, Adobe Stock is the King now, no question. They totally had a wrong approach toward contributors belittling us while Adobe Stock is trying to work with us. Big mistake.
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« on: January 15, 2024, 16:49 »
The fact that she went from making about $100/month before uploading AI images to $1,000/month in 6 months is mind blowing. Will she make $10,000/month another 6 months later? Very unlikely. But I think she can reach $3,000/month in a year or two if she keeps adding quality AI images like she's been doing. This kind of stuff never happened. It's the only positive I've seen in the last 5 years in microstock industry for contributors.
https://youtu.be/F6fSIbMpri8?si=Zj8ag7628oTYYE8w
True, there are probably more santa claus images doing better than hers. My point was - for "santa claus" (while of course not every image is a santa claus), of the 425,000 results - basically you'd need to be in the top 10 or top 20 to see any 'significant' financial results.
Not sure why "her" santa claus was chosen over 425,000 other santa clauses (if I knew that, I could consistently produce a lot of different images that do well) - but I'd say it is a combination of luck, timing, happening to stumble upon the right keywords/etc... in other words - not necessariliy easy to duplicate. (I made some santa claus images that I thought were quite good, and for the 3-4 hours involved in coming up with concepts, making them, titling, keywording, upscaling, editing, cropping, fixing, categorizing, submitting, - I think I made... let me check... looks like about $5 (about $1/hour)... Of course, $5 is better than nothing, and of course there is the possibility for future residual income - so I am of course grateful for that... but... there are certainly a lot of santa clauses...
Plus - when she (and not just her) makes videos of "OMFG! look how I made SOOOO much money doing VERY little work, like and subscribe my video channel so I can make MORE money!!!" - it gets lazy people coming out of the woodwork to try and get rich quick...
If things stayed the same - then yes, maybe she'd get to $3k/month... I highly doubt it though - because quite possibly there will be 10x the contributors a year from now "inspired" by her get rich quick videos, + also competing platforms/sites/tech/etc...
It's "possible", but not sure if it is likely...
But again, go for it if you wish. I find it interesting, just saying it may not necessarily be 'easy' or the 'get rich quick' path you are looking for. Certainly is possible though, obviously other people have done it.
You're right in that respect.
You need almost everything to be successful today.
Timing, market analysis, good keywording, skill and luck and perhaps even online promotion / advertising via Instagram, etc.
If you follow her channel, you'll see that she really invests a lot of time. She either works as a graphic designer or is employed part-time, where she can do this even work at (face time job) or has time from midday until the evening.
If you do this alongside your main job, you have to concentrate extremely hard on the essentials. You hardly have time to "practice" what sells well on the market.
I'm currently first trying to read up on the technical side of things to get the most out of it (chaiNNer, ControlNet Tiles, etc.) and then find market niches or at least to pick out motifs that are in demand and cover a very wide range of buyers.
Not only everything has to be perfect, you have to pray everyday every hour to be successful nowadays. So, it's almost impossible. Good luck!!
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« on: January 15, 2024, 13:26 »
So, I re-uploaded the rejected AI photos using 2x upscale on Midjourney instead of using Gigapixel AI 4x upscale. 7 photos are accepted. 17 rejection. Now I wonder the rejections were because of physical deformity of people images this time. I'll try 4x upscale on Midjourney the next time. But meanwhile, Gigapixel 4x upscaled photos are still accepted.
Not properly cropping some of the images is actually part of the problem of people trying to "get rich quick"... so yes, I'd say in your case that was probably it. Seems they may have had a legitimate 'quality issue' rejection reason...
No, that's not the case at all. lol. There's no cropping involved here. And if any contributor can "get rich quick", that's a good thing. If you don't take advantage of AI images, you may risk yourself becoming "get poor quick" instead because AI image sales are eating up non-AI image sales for sure. AI images are here to stay. You either start earlier or later. I only hope I started 6 months earlier than starting last September.
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« on: January 15, 2024, 13:20 »
The fact that she went from making about $100/month before uploading AI images to $1,000/month in 6 months is mind blowing. Will she make $10,000/month another 6 months later? Very unlikely. But I think she can reach $3,000/month in a year or two if she keeps adding quality AI images like she's been doing. This kind of stuff never happened. It's the only positive I've seen in the last 5 years in microstock industry for contributors.
https://youtu.be/F6fSIbMpri8?si=Zj8ag7628oTYYE8w
True, there are probably more santa claus images doing better than hers. My point was - for "santa claus" (while of course not every image is a santa claus), of the 425,000 results - basically you'd need to be in the top 10 or top 20 to see any 'significant' financial results.
Not sure why "her" santa claus was chosen over 425,000 other santa clauses (if I knew that, I could consistently produce a lot of different images that do well) - but I'd say it is a combination of luck, timing, happening to stumble upon the right keywords/etc... in other words - not necessariliy easy to duplicate. (I made some santa claus images that I thought were quite good, and for the 3-4 hours involved in coming up with concepts, making them, titling, keywording, upscaling, editing, cropping, fixing, categorizing, submitting, - I think I made... let me check... looks like about $5 (about $1/hour)... Of course, $5 is better than nothing, and of course there is the possibility for future residual income - so I am of course grateful for that... but... there are certainly a lot of santa clauses...
Plus - when she (and not just her) makes videos of "OMFG! look how I made SOOOO much money doing VERY little work, like and subscribe my video channel so I can make MORE money!!!" - it gets lazy people coming out of the woodwork to try and get rich quick...
If things stayed the same - then yes, maybe she'd get to $3k/month... I highly doubt it though - because quite possibly there will be 10x the contributors a year from now "inspired" by her get rich quick videos, + also competing platforms/sites/tech/etc...
It's "possible", but not sure if it is likely...
But again, go for it if you wish. I find it interesting, just saying it may not necessarily be 'easy' or the 'get rich quick' path you are looking for. Certainly is possible though, obviously other people have done it.
It's chosen by buyers along with many other best selling Santa images. You upload, have one sale, have 2nd sale and your ranking on keyword search keeps going up. That's how it works.
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« on: January 15, 2024, 07:39 »
So, I re-uploaded the rejected AI photos using 2x upscale on Midjourney instead of using Gigapixel AI 4x upscale. 7 photos are accepted. 17 rejection. Now I wonder the rejections were because of physical deformity of people images this time. I'll try 4x upscale on Midjourney the next time. But meanwhile, Gigapixel 4x upscaled photos are still accepted.
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« on: January 14, 2024, 23:04 »
The fact that she went from making about $100/month before uploading AI images to $1,000/month in 6 months is mind blowing. Will she make $10,000/month another 6 months later? Very unlikely. But I think she can reach $3,000/month in a year or two if she keeps adding quality AI images like she's been doing. This kind of stuff never happened. It's the only positive I've seen in the last 5 years in microstock industry for contributors. https://youtu.be/F6fSIbMpri8?si=Zj8ag7628oTYYE8w
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« on: January 14, 2024, 22:51 »
My friend, instead of crying and whining about AI images, you better take advantage of this golden opportunity. Check out this video of an Adobe Stock contributor who had enormous success with her AI images on Adobe Stock.
https://youtu.be/F6fSIbMpri8?si=LVr2tzPTpJ5LiXwX
You never get the same exact image from the same exact AI prompt. Also, you have a record of prompting your own AI images. So, your concern is invalid. Don't worry about it!!! There's no crying in microstock business!!
Thanks for the video, quickly skipped through it.
I do agree there are people making $$, but to me - in some ways it is like winning a lottery ticket. She had a very seasonal picture first of all (the santa claus), doing a quick search for the gen ai - there are about 425,000 images for santa claus. For whatever reason - "her" santa claus got picked/promoted, and 424,999 other santa clauses did not. Why, I'm not sure (lol otherwise I'd make sure ALL of my images were 'picked' like that  )...
And as more and more of this "look how I made $1k while watchint t.v. and now I can retire in a vacation villa!" videos come about - more and more other people want to "get rich quick" which floods the market with images like that...
Not saying you "can't" make $$ from it - but... it is very competitive, and does require a bit of luck, timing, desirable assets, etc, etc...
I'm not sure if I would call this a "business model", but I'm not sure if the long term results would be there... While I did get in to stock photography/videography later - people that got into it in 2003/2004 said they would have a "single" picture that made them $1k for a "single" sale... The marketplace has changed significantly - such that people are now chasing $0.25 images... For me, of course I am interested in earning $$$ from it, but I also find it kind of fun/interesting...
I was surprised she also openly said she made a "2nd account" for her, "er, in her husbands name", but then continued to refer to it as her 2nd account... while I know people do that - I was just surprised she was pretty open about that in a public video...
Her Santa Claus image is not the most downloaded Santa Claus AI image. There are like 14 Santa Claus AI images that were downloaded more than hers. Just sort by "Downloads". It's just the fact that buyers are buying AI generated images. Most buyers seem like having no problem buying and using AI generated images. I don't care if any particular contributor starts making AI images. It's actually better if less people do this. I'm not really doing myself a favor posting those info to inspire other contributors to start making AI images.
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« on: January 14, 2024, 10:46 »
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« on: January 14, 2024, 10:45 »
Woke up this morning to find out 24/24 recent AI photos are rejected. I use Gigapixel AI 4x upscaling, but I'll try Midjourney's own upscaling in 2x and see what happens. I need to find the best way to upsample AI images to avoid mass rejections.
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« on: January 14, 2024, 10:42 »
"waaay more" is relative. for some people, doubling their investment is "waay more". for others, getting like $1k is "waaay more".
if you are in a poor country, maybe making $50 is "waaay more".
that's why I am asking. what do you define as "waaay more"?
So, it took 10 years to get 6,500 photos on Adobe Stock, but took only 3 months to add 3,000 AI generated photos on Adobe Stock. $120 x 3 months Midjourney cost is very well spent. I'll make way more than $120 in AI photo sales this month. Also, I'm lucky I got 3,000 AI photos accepted before the mass rejection trend started.
What is that "profit" wise though? Without a reference, it is difficult to make a decision, i.e., a bar chart of $2 is much different from a bar chart of $200 or $2000...
Did you read "I'll make way more than $120 in AI photo sales this month. "?
I do not disclose my exact revenue. lol
Wondering if somebody will steal "your" AI images, how do you prove are yours, showing the tags you use to generate them? I honestly don't understand why a customer will pay for something that can be generated by anybody, not much skills is needed, just the right tool to do it for you.
My friend, instead of crying and whining about AI images, you better take advantage of this golden opportunity. Check out this video of an Adobe Stock contributor who had enormous success with her AI images on Adobe Stock. https://youtu.be/F6fSIbMpri8?si=LVr2tzPTpJ5LiXwXYou never get the same exact image from the same exact AI prompt. Also, you have a record of prompting your own AI images. So, your concern is invalid. Don't worry about it!!! There's no crying in microstock business!!
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« on: January 13, 2024, 18:14 »
"waaay more" is relative. for some people, doubling their investment is "waay more". for others, getting like $1k is "waaay more".
if you are in a poor country, maybe making $50 is "waaay more".
that's why I am asking. what do you define as "waaay more"?
So, it took 10 years to get 6,500 photos on Adobe Stock, but took only 3 months to add 3,000 AI generated photos on Adobe Stock. $120 x 3 months Midjourney cost is very well spent. I'll make way more than $120 in AI photo sales this month. Also, I'm lucky I got 3,000 AI photos accepted before the mass rejection trend started.
What is that "profit" wise though? Without a reference, it is difficult to make a decision, i.e., a bar chart of $2 is much different from a bar chart of $200 or $2000...
Did you read "I'll make way more than $120 in AI photo sales this month. "?
I do not disclose my exact revenue. lol
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« on: January 13, 2024, 14:35 »
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« on: January 13, 2024, 14:32 »
This sounds motivating although generating over 3000 images, upscaling and retouching are more time consuming than one thinks at the first glance. I would estimate at least between 3 and 5 hours of daily work to get 1000 images a month.
Hopefully the work will also pay off in the longer term and not only cover the Midjourney subscription but also the invested work time.
Since you've got now more experience than other users, would you say that image sales increase over time for the whole AI portfolio or only for some few bestsellers, which climbe the ranking ladder up and are more often shown to the customers?
And can you observe a special pattern in best selling motifs?
For example creative shots like business people with animal heads, which can't be created simple by classical photography?
I would say when your photos/videos sell, those will move up the keyword search ladder. So, if an image/clip sell a few times, it's likely to sell well for at least like 3 years unless it's timely subject. So, I think my AI photo sales will only get better as many of them make first sales and show up higher in search. I'm not done adding AI images although the pace has slowed down now. Probably by the end of this year, majority of my photo sales will be from AI images.
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« on: January 13, 2024, 12:12 »
So, it took 10 years to get 6,500 photos on Adobe Stock, but took only 3 months to add 3,000 AI generated photos on Adobe Stock. $120 x 3 months Midjourney cost is very well spent. I'll make way more than $120 in AI photo sales this month. Also, I'm lucky I got 3,000 AI photos accepted before the mass rejection trend started.
What is that "profit" wise though? Without a reference, it is difficult to make a decision, i.e., a bar chart of $2 is much different from a bar chart of $200 or $2000...
Did you read "I'll make way more than $120 in AI photo sales this month. "?
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« on: January 13, 2024, 11:09 »
Too bad that Adobe doesn't differentiate between the reasons for rejection.
Another trigger for strictness could also be that the reviewers are now only looking for the quality of Midjourney V6, which was released at the end of December and seems to have a considerable jump in quality:
https://mid-journey.ai/midjourney-v6-release/
Which AI engine do you use?
I'm too stingy for 48 to 60 bucks Midjourney's pro plan with stealth mode. I currently use a cheap provider with stable diffusion engine and various models/loras, who offers a private mode for 15 bucks / month without generative limitations.
Actually, I tried the V6 and didn't like images I got compared to V5.2.
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« on: January 13, 2024, 09:28 »
So, it took 10 years to get 6,500 photos on Adobe Stock, but took only 3 months to add 3,000 AI generated photos on Adobe Stock. $120 x 3 months Midjourney cost is very well spent. I'll make way more than $120 in AI photo sales this month. Also, I'm lucky I got 3,000 AI photos accepted before the mass rejection trend started.
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« on: January 13, 2024, 09:11 »
Some people ridiculed me for using $120/month Midjourney plan to create AI images, but I got to say it's worth it so far. I see the sales trend going up. Now about 1/3 of my portfolio is AI generated images. I'm running out of ideas these days to be honest. So, I may need to switch to $60/month plan.
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