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« on: September 15, 2014, 13:42 »
Thank you for the feedback Regarding the first impression.
Surely it would be possible to increase the commissions.
In the long run it reduces the possible measures that we could implement. These measures directly contribute to the possible success. Therefore, 50% are not to be despised. This is an absolute maximum (purely Costing). On the other hand, I agree to the Subscriber Shares are not the highest. So here we have room for improvement. Here Indivstock can come to meet the artists. In addition Indivstock takes all steps after upload. In addition, the artist Receives sales shares for Easy Image Changes. In addition, the seller Receives at the beginner packages commissions up to 80% ($6). Each image is manually checked for keywords. Each image is complemented by Important keywords, if some are missing. Unfortunately, prices of $ 20 per image are not feasible. The market price is significantly lower. 70% Commission would be theoretically possible. But what sense does this, when Indivstock ran unable to move. 60% of a a few sales ist not much. 70% of even less is almost nothing. 80% commission is nothing, since no sales are coming into existence.
If you can't charge more or pay more, then I don't really understand how the feedback you received here was helpful at all. Most of us have no interest in new low paying sites. We have enough problems with the existing low paying sites.
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« on: September 04, 2014, 10:07 »
I'm an illustrator, they invited me last year, offering a one-time-special 40% commission and I joined them. Started fine (not great, just another steady low earner), but recently they changed everything they promised. Cheap subs, commissions cut to half, forgetting-about-contributors, all the usual stuff.
Like cthoman said, I wouldn't bother much with them.
That was pretty much my experience too. I let them keep the couple bucks I had in my account and closed it. It just didn't seem worth it for all the drama that happened in the few months I was on there.
403
« on: September 04, 2014, 09:15 »
My personal opinion would be don't bother with them.
404
« on: September 04, 2014, 09:09 »
Interesting. I wonder if they plan to do that with existing files or just new ones. Do you have a link to your file I couldn't find one that had that?
405
« on: September 03, 2014, 15:05 »
I think that's wrong. I think buyers went to SS not because the service was better but mainly because it was cheaper, unless by better service you mean extremely cheap subs which I guess is part service and mainly price.
Is not wanting to buy agency collection images considered bargain hunting?
406
« on: September 03, 2014, 14:37 »
Breaking news shocker! It turns out that Istock's 'service' wasn't worth paying a premium for over that provided by SS. Who'd have thought?
Says who? iStock? Just wait a week or two, they'll say something different. 
407
« on: September 03, 2014, 13:46 »
Lobo just clarified the credit prices:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=362716&messageid=7041654
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Lobo
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Okay, everyone. I can officially stop using the phrase 'it will be more than $2 per credit':
Credits will range from $8 to $15 depending on the size of the credit pack the buyer purchases.
So it will be considerably higher than $2. And that is the last time I will have to type anything to do with $2 in this thread.
I appreciate this has been a frustrating aspect of the communication. We are pleased to be able to finally share this information with you."
so for me this would mean I will be getting 1.4 -2.7 dollars for my files. and 28 cents for subscription sales. that is not that different from what I am getting now. Might even be a little more. so as an indie I dont have to be worried for photos.
Yeah, that makes it a lot less crappy. I was thinking it was going to be $8, but knowing it goes up to $15 helps soften it. I wonder how many tiers of packs there are between the two.
408
« on: September 03, 2014, 09:25 »
Perhaps they've been seeking out the wrong market. Sales at Stocksy bear out that the right customers will pay for the right product.
I honestly give IS no more than 6 months before they realize that they are bleeding money from vectors and their higher priced content/sizes. Maybe, I'm wrong, but I think they are going to be scrambling to add tiers back to the site in a few months.
409
« on: September 03, 2014, 08:45 »
I've already been down the road of leaving, and it doesn't accomplish anything. You just make less money.
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« on: September 03, 2014, 00:18 »
...and here is an open letter from Brad Ralph who believes in what is coming. He must be part of the team, together with Yuri, for developing the strategy if you look at his position.
http://press.gettyimages.com/the-evolution-of-istock-continues-an-open-letter-from-brad-ralph-co-founder-of-istock/
I wish I could see what they see.
I read that, including the part where he appears to say that they are the only site to have exclusive contributors.
Fotolia does, Dreamstime does, Envato/PhotoDune does. The only major competitor who doesn't is Shutterstock. I think it's more than just an oversight, but a lack of awareness of what's going on with other agencies. I don't think they understand why Shutterstock has been successful and that their new model won't have much appeal to a buyer considering IS vs. SS
If they want to brag about something, the real trick is having contributors that actually choose to give exclusive or partially exclusive content to them voluntarily (because they are that much better) and not because of some agreement. Those are the agencies that I'd love to have more of. Slashing prices and royalty rates isn't going to encourage that.
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« on: September 02, 2014, 19:16 »
How about motivation to do complex vectors if now they have same price of not so elaborate ones? And, for the same price, no one buyer will choose less elaborate vectors if they can buy vetta similar files.
They are basically decreasing my prices/royalties by more than half. At this point, I'm not really worried about my motivation to produce files of any complexity for them. Apparently, they aren't either.
413
« on: September 02, 2014, 13:59 »
I don't like the one price for every size thing.
That's actually the only part that is interesting (maybe positive?), although they (and others) have sold vectors that way for a while.
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« on: September 02, 2014, 13:17 »
It means that non-exclusive vectors currently sold for 15 or 12 credits will be all sold for only 5 credits (1 new credit). So our files will be devaluated. Great, amazing, just what I needed... 
That seems like the case, so it will be a pretty big price cut. Seems kind of stupid because I doubt they will make more money with this. Price cuts don't really create more volume anymore with credit sales. That's what subs are for.
415
« on: September 02, 2014, 12:24 »
It's simpler. We just have to decipher what it all means.
416
« on: September 02, 2014, 12:23 »
Evething for 1 Dollar?
This sounds familiar... 
Doesn't it say one new credit is 5 old credits?
417
« on: September 01, 2014, 08:48 »
These people know why they are doing this only on Fotolia...
I wouldn't say only on Fotolia, since it pretty much happens on all the other sites too. The DMCA thing is weird though. I have this bookmarked. It looked useful:
http://automattic.com/dmca-notice/
Does this work only with WordPress ?
That's a good question. I'm not sure. I might have to see if there is a more universal one out there.
418
« on: August 29, 2014, 10:50 »
I can't say that I get super excited about these embedding images business models. Maybe, I should just start a Kickstarter for myself. The pay Cory to do nothing Kickstarter.
419
« on: August 28, 2014, 11:00 »
These people know why they are doing this only on Fotolia...
I wouldn't say only on Fotolia, since it pretty much happens on all the other sites too. The DMCA thing is weird though. I have this bookmarked. It looked useful: http://automattic.com/dmca-notice/
420
« on: August 22, 2014, 09:25 »
You really think that someone who creates images like this should really wait until he/she amasses 500-1000 until he/she even thinks about applying to any stock agency?
I guess it depends on how you work. Like anybody else, one off images take about as much time as creating a series. The more elements you create over time, the easier it is to composite together new images without much altering. If an agency takes on a more representative role, then I think it is fair for them to inquire about your productivity. I suppose the point is moot though, since I don't see most micros moving in that direction and away from crowdsourcing.
EXACTLY!!!!
How many images did it take through experimentation to create that one image? Just 1? 100? 500?
Do you see my point? The bigger the portfolio, the more the person has experience creating images.
Anyone can go into a burning home and attempt to rescue someone stuck inside. That doesn't make that person a firefighter....or a hero. It makes that person an idiot getting into to something they know very little about.
I don't think change will come from agencies limiting new contributors, at this point there really is no incentive to do that. Agencies are trying to get the largest number of images for a variety of reasons. Waiting for them to change their mind doesn't seem like real solution.
There is something to be said for new agencies trying it. Stocksy and Clipartof seem like they have had success with a similar strategy.
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« on: August 21, 2014, 21:59 »
You really think that someone who creates images like this should really wait until he/she amasses 500-1000 until he/she even thinks about applying to any stock agency?
I guess it depends on how you work. Like anybody else, one off images take about as much time as creating a series. The more elements you create over time, the easier it is to composite together new images without much altering. If an agency takes on a more representative role, then I think it is fair for them to inquire about your productivity. I suppose the point is moot though, since I don't see most micros moving in that direction and away from crowdsourcing.
422
« on: August 21, 2014, 14:49 »
I'd like to see the minimum prices and minimum royalty rates raised across the board. I'm fairly happy with the upper end of the market right now, but the bottom of the market feels like it's got a leak.
423
« on: August 20, 2014, 18:35 »
How does one define premium? My own experience is that what I would consider premium doesn't sell that well in comparison to what I consider generic crap (all within my own port).
I'd define premium as anything or anyone that can sell at premium prices.
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« on: August 14, 2014, 18:23 »
They'll only be the leader if a large amount of talented contributors decide to put their work only on Pond5. If people continue to put all of their work on all of the sites, the cheapest sites will win out in the long run. I think it's really that simple.
Audi has a point there, but i wonder.
is there anyone here who has the same portfolio with all of the sites?
if u r, can u provide us with who amongst the list to the right of this page are the
cheapest sites?
and with that, provide the evidence that in fact, the cheapest sites win out.
I think most nonexclusive contributors put most of their work on multiple sites. Maybe there are some contributors that only put their best work on x site and only put their worst work on y site but I don't think that's anywhere close to the norm. Most sites are worse than P5 if you look at pricing and royalty rate and many sites are selling a lot more licenses than P5.
I upload to multiple sites, but the sites I feel meet a higher criteria get my newest work. Those that I want to support and I hope grow bigger are my next priority. Sites that make me money, but don't have the best terms are the lowest priority (they don't really get any new work). I can't say it works or doesn't work, but you have to start trying to improve things somewhere I guess.
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« on: August 12, 2014, 11:33 »
This * Free culture is really the root of all evils in my opinion and i would be more than happy living without linux, lamp, android, and the whole cr-ap, give me IIS, Visual Studio, ASP.net, WinMobile, IOS, no problem, but nooo ... people want free or nothing and they want the sourced code too, all served on a golden platter, then they will rant about the lack of documentation and multi language, and the list is endless.
I'd say nearly free is probably more dangerous. I'm always amazed when someone scoffs at paying $20 for an illustration. I always think to myself what do you think it should cost? Or how much do you think my time should be worth and how much is your time worth?
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