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4276
« on: August 30, 2013, 08:28 »
Andrew was great! I dont know who writes the newsletters now, but he or she is (not yet?) anywhere near his level.
It is difficult to communicate well with an international contributor base.
4277
« on: August 30, 2013, 03:57 »
Similar images is not a bad idea, many agencies have it. But it needs good implementation,for instance from my perspective as a buyer I would want the similar images to be the excact same price point that I selected in the search. I did a few searches and keep seeing extremely expensive images when I then click on the similar files. This would put me off pretty fast.
And like others have said the similar images from the contributor or the series should come first and the placement of the similar files is awkward.
I like the new way you can select best match/NEW/POPULAR. Much better solution.
What I understand least is that they didnt think about how to categorize files for editors pick or the different price points before???
I mean they had a very efficient market oriented solution where 30 000 eyeballs were looking at their portfolio and moving files around with their experience for a niche. Now this intense attention for the individual file gets replaced by a non visual robot software. I dont get it.
Real handpicked collections are extremly valuable. Many agencies do it. Why not make the label mean something and task people to choose great content - including the best handshake and tomatoes? Start with new files and bestsellers and gradually work your way around the exclusive files. Even if it takes two years, it would be really valuable to have these labels. They could also get their inspector team to prefilter files with nominations on given subjects and then the editors just look at those prefiltered light boxes.
You would think that being able to choose the best content on the site is a huge marketing advantage over other sites. Like this it just devalues the whole collection and makes Getty look bad if the label is slapped on an image turned sideways or under exposed etc...
Overall for me the changes dont look that market oriented, even the super cheap files are not done with sensitivity. I just dont get it. How will they compete against SS like this?
The extreme drop in prices on the main collection will lead to an extreme loss in revenue. How many new customers do they need to attract to balance the loss of income? Do they need to double the number of customers to make up for the loss? Triple them? And by slapping a "forever" label into their marketing, the extreme difference (in credits marketing speak) is here to stay. Leaving them little choices longterm.
Overall it looks as if Getty loves to micromanage everything and hates it when contributors make their own choices. They clearly do not see them as individual entrepreneurs with webshops who are running a business.
But what do I know? Maybe this strategy is brilliant, they will recover etc...
The best news for the contributors on istock is that all these changes will hopefully be accompanied by a large investment in marketing dollars (to attract all those new customers).
I mean, this would be logical wouldnt it? They are not just going to rely on the cheaper credit price and keep pushing Thinkstock over istock, will they?
4278
« on: August 28, 2013, 17:49 »
There are millions and millions of people in those countries fighting and risking their lives to be free and get those laws changed. And to make the rich subject to the same laws. To impose the rights of workers, housing, education. To abolish family loan slavery etc...
It is not like everyone in these countries sat down together, had one great discussion and then voted to create discriminatory laws.
50 years ago Martin Luther King talked about his dream. It is not that long ago that black people couldn't use the same bathroom as white people. The Arab world and many other developping countries have their own process.
I hate sexual harrassment and discrimination and those inhumane rape laws as much as any other women. But I do see progress and people who are fighting.
I think if you grow up in a culture where democracy and a stable legal system exist it is hard to imagine how difficult it can be to fight for freedom and justice.
4279
« on: August 28, 2013, 13:13 »
I am half Arabic and have spent considerable time in the Middle East. There is no question that women are severly disadvantaged, also legally. However, most of these countries arent democracies anyway so people cannot really enact "their own" laws. They live under either family or some "upper class" dictatorships. Men are also discriminated, or even persecuted, if they belong to the wrong "group" wether you are just poor or from the wrong village...most of these countries have corruption everywhere including the legal system. Want to get away with murder? Just be the son of the ruling elite and you are untouchable...
But over the last 40 years I have also seen drastic improvements in the way everyone is being treated, not just women. We may not see it in our media, but there is a growing Middle Class, more and more people can read and write, in some countries now the majority is literate.
They still have a long, long way to go, but the people I know are extremly hard working and many are fighting more politically as well. But if you are following the news in Egypt, you see how incredibly hard the nation building process is.
And when it comes to laws - how many western countries accept gay people as full legal citizens? Can they marry, adopt children and raise their families in peace? Obviously most people are comfortable with gay people having normal legal rights, but there is an amazing number of people who think they are some kind of human underclass and are very vocal about it.
In time the attitude will change and gay people will have equality. But the fight is far from over.
Arabic and many other countries (india?) in the world are still in the stage where women have to fight for their rights, the way women did here 100 years ago. But they will get them.
I think all we can do is encourage those who are fighting for freedom and also to point out,complain and shame publicly whenever we see injustice. But this should include our own backyards.
4280
« on: August 28, 2013, 05:13 »
The captions are too funny. Like Sean said, some of them are real Arabs, but the photographer is probably new to stock. But of course many others clearly are not...but how many times do we try create "American" images here in Europe and how many times do we get it wrong?
4281
« on: August 23, 2013, 03:45 »
Editor's pick could have been a great marketing tool to promote outstanding content. But if it is not hand picked and just slapped on their wholly owned content and the select few they favor it has no value at all for the customer.
Another case of just not thinking it through. It is like they are trying to create the "illusion" of well selected content without putting in the work necessary to really look at the files themselves.
4282
« on: August 22, 2013, 16:45 »
Because it screams "This management doesnt care". Even the smallest typo does that, which is why most businesses remove them immediatly, when they are notified.
To advertise wrong financial information to the whole world for over 2 months...it is obvious someone doesnt really identify with the business they run.
Imagine this was your personal website or your profile page on linkedIn - would you leave wrong data up there for everyone to see?
4283
« on: August 22, 2013, 16:42 »
This sounds interesting. Unlike the Google drive deal we will get a normal license fee, even if it is a tiny subscription royalty. Much better than getting 12 dollars and then having files transferred to 400 million people...
4284
« on: August 22, 2013, 12:58 »
There is a lot more to the success of SS than just the fact that they have lower prices than istock. istock had higher prices than many agencies for a long time and was growing well.
If the current managers,whoever they are, dont even understand these simple things, how will they ever catch up?
I know istock has many hard working people, but without leadership their work will be in vain. I really dont see anything that has been implemented this year that would give me confidence that the company will grow again. And the lack of personal involvement from the invisible managers is a major factor. If you are not personally involved and try to run everything from a distance, how will you be able to survive in an environment when all your competitors have people who encourage a hands on approach?
I mean, it is amazing that finally some attention is being placed on istock after years of promoting thinkstock, but it all looks very half hearted and the attention to detail is missing. Or they really are horribly understaffed.
Reliability and trust is important for a brand and SS has been very good at building that over the years. istock keeps flip flopping from one extreme to the next and takes very drastic, over emotional decisions.
It would be great if they brought in leadership that rebuilds something as powerful as the old istock. But if the current changes is all the ideas they have, SS has nothing to worry about. And I think that is unfortunate, I would welcome more competition, but there doesnt seem to be anyone out there who has their level of experience.
4285
« on: August 22, 2013, 10:00 »
It is very easy to change those numbers and put them right.
That they dont want to do it, either really means they just dont care about the accuracy on their website or they are delaying it deliberately to see how many people will go exclusive when these are the visible terms. Getty only pays 20% to their own house contributors. I am sure they are not happy about payouts that might reach 45%. If the standard is lower, they can still offer individual contracts with higher rates for those they deem worthy.
Or...they want to change the system completely and adjust royalties up...but even then, it would be simple to update the page and show the correct rate until they have figured out what they want to do.
Anything to do with money should be as accurate as possible. Everyone understands that if the rates are wrong on the website, people will wonder if the accounting in general is correct.
4286
« on: August 20, 2013, 09:05 »
I think it is a lovely family picture. You can see they look happy even without perfect lighting and photoshop.
4287
« on: August 12, 2013, 14:14 »
If Istock had given me even a small indication that the company will get back on track, I would still be photo exclusive. Going indie isn't an easy decision and having to work your way back up is absolutely no fun.
But since they took away the option to decide the price point in the portfolio, I know I made the right choice. E+ was one of the best programs istock had. Killing it tells me everything I need to know about what is coming...
As an indie I have many options to choose the price point for my files, I just send them to the appropriate agencies.
To be in control of prices is just as important as to decide what goes into your portfolio. Computer programs and editors can never replace my commercial experience in my given niche.
4288
« on: August 12, 2013, 13:37 »
Well, old threads show you a time when the company was doing well and the threads reflected that. So I guess it is normal to use them as an indicator. Threads, forums, community network. What else do contributors have?
The most important is the future obviously. And the tea leaves I read tell me istock is going down and in the 3 months since being indie all that I see happening at istock makes me grateful I made the jump. I probably should have left much earlier, but like many I waited and waited and waited..but it just kept getting worse and worse.
If you feel comfortable with istock and your income is growing or remaining the same, good for you. But even you said, you are currently not uploading, so you must be worried about something.
Anyway, if you and Yuri feel being exclusive is the best way to make money out of your files - good for you.
But your positive sentiments don't seem to be shared with a very, very large number of istock exclusives and indies.
4289
« on: August 12, 2013, 13:10 »
tickstock, as you know, I used to work closely with many people in the istock community. And if you want to see monthly sales threads that give a very positive impression of success and overall well being of the company, why don't you go back two or three years and look at the threads there. The sales threads happening now are unbelievably depressing.And the reports from the network grid are even worse and the majority of community interaction is no longer taking place on the istock forums. You don't seem to be using them yourself...
istock is a shadow of what it used to be, wether it is growth, money, trust, business vision etc...
Which is a great shame, they made it really easy for SS and other competitors.
Maybe Yuri can help them, but it doesn't sound like he is going to work with them in any business development position.
But he is very intelligent, so maybe they can pick his brain for fresh ideas in their struggle to stop the loss of market share and good people giving up exclusivity.
There is a lot istock can do to move away from the icebergs. But so far the changes this year don't look very promising. Unfortunately. I really would prefer to see them turn things round. I believe that balance in the market is best for the contributors, irrespective wether you are exclusive or indie.
4290
« on: August 12, 2013, 12:40 »
I've never heard of anyone reporting an 800% or 1000% increase in earnings upon going exclusive. 150-300%, maybe 4 times if your style is really suited for istock and they choose a lot of vettas AND they sell...
And lately all you here is people losing money, even from those who contribute over 1900 new filesin 12months...
The price of your files will increase if you go exclusive, but the volume of sales will drop and on Vettas your royalty will be lower than on the S+ files.
I am sure the earnings poll on the right is correct, but you cannot use it to imply that anyones portfolio will see a 1000% increase in earnings upon going exclusive.
If this was happening we would all know about it. The istock community might be scared to post on the istock forums, but they are all extremly well connected, especially those who do it full time.
4291
« on: August 11, 2013, 08:28 »
What would worry me is that the RC targets for photos are still listed as maximum 30%. I know they said it was a bug in the facebookgroup. But it is really simple thing to change if they wanted to. What if they are trying to lock in new exclusives to these rates?
I mean, those who go exclusive now, have signed on with these rates visible, don't they? And then next year make these the targets for everyone....
I know it doesn't affect me, but it is a concern I keep hearing.
The new prices are so low, they must be losing a lot of money. And with the floodgates opened for low quality content, why pay out more than 30% on the base contract? They can always offer a higher rate on individual contracts if they really want your work.
4292
« on: August 08, 2013, 16:15 »
If they paid out 16 million, that would be around 1.3 Million a week in that quarter. In 2008 Kelly said istock was paying out around 1.7 Million? And that they were hoping to pay out more the following year...but who knows if that ever happened.
I really would love to know how much it is now.
But for the individual contributor it is the personal rpd that is most important. Mine is horribly low for photos, but very good for videos. But I am still at the bottom of the food chain.
4293
« on: August 08, 2013, 12:32 »
Well, I am reading that the average revenue per download is 2.33 Usd, obviously a mix of low subscription and higher single image downloads.
The average return people are reporting here is between 0,6 to just under a dollar, so the 30% sound plausible to me.
56 Million revenue a quarter, 21 million as cost of revenue. Somewhere in the cost of revenue for the quarter must be the royalties, because all the other expenses are listed individually (marketing, sales, It)
At least that is the way I would read this.
Would be nice if they published a weekly index on their front page: This week paid out to contributors 1.x Million Dollars etc...
From istock the last data we had was from Kelly Thompson in 2008. I wonder how much they pay out now.
4294
« on: August 04, 2013, 14:39 »
If your portfolio is really below 1000 images then 550-750 USD is actually a good return IMO. I mean I dont know how expensive your average shooting is, but this sounds good to me.
4295
« on: August 01, 2013, 04:38 »
Big drop in earnings from istock, nearly 40% less than in June although volume of sales was up by 15%.
All the new agencies together (including video) brought in 92 Dollars, most of the money came from SS and stocksy, then Fotolia, Deposit,Dreamstime.
The month started well, but then the summer slowdown hit me everywhere. My 7 day rank, which had gone up to 3200 on Fotolia has dropped down to 6240.
I still only have 200-500 images on the new agencies and will continue to upload slowly.
No video sales on Pond5 and only 1 video sale overall.
4296
« on: July 31, 2013, 16:37 »
Im not saying it doesnt happen, but with the big agencies, as long as they buy and credit us in real time, I think we would all notice pretty fast if there was a widespread problem.
@Sue
I agree and in the future I hope they will buy direct. But I used to be exclusive...and anyway if my friends have a credit package and are usually buying several things from a stock site, it is inconvenient for them to stop what they are doing, come over to my site and buy there. And my own shop isnt open yet..still waiting for some endless paperwork to go ahead.
But in the future...yes, i do hope people buy directly from my site.
4297
« on: July 31, 2013, 13:02 »
I have friends who are designers/work in marketing. When they buy one of my files, they let me know. So far all sales have always been recorded. I think today it is very easy to verify if sales are being recorded correctly. In the old days the payments was often months after the order was placed, so I can imagine there was a lot more opportunity for error on all sides. These days the computer does the instant accounting in real time.
Not saying it doesnt happen, but if it does, it will affect thousands of people who can share this info with each other. Just look at the recent problems with PP sales on istock. The community could easily identify the days were royalties were missing and the istock IT people can then rerun their scripts.
4298
« on: July 29, 2013, 18:34 »
Well, if it is still that deal, then indeed an extended license was bought that should be in a range that is similar to 30 websize sales. And he also presumes because it is a large group of images the individual files won't be "overused".
This would be a regular deal.
I thought it is something new and unpaid for like with Microsoft.
But why are the names lf the artists missing?
4299
« on: July 29, 2013, 18:05 »
That is sad to hear, I've heard other things from several people. And Fotolia has a lot of very typical German content that is hard to find at the other agencies.
I'll have to try it myself, but I agree that the policy of expecting files to sell at least 3 times in 6 months sounds like they are now focussing on the ultrageneric stuff that has a superfast turnover.
Anyway, I still just have 350 files with them, so le'l's see how things go in a few months.
But there is a market for niche images that can justify prices above subscription and are not available everywhere. Otherwise all agencies are the same and they really can only fight on price.
Otherwise, I've been reading on the forums, that people are not happy with the quality of the search results. Some say, the contributors are to blame, too many spammy keywords. But the contributors upload the same keywords everywhere, don't they?
I do keyword manually in German for Fotolia, but I am not usng other keywords than I would in English.
4300
« on: July 29, 2013, 15:16 »
Fotolia is the biggest agency here in Europe and especially in Germany. I also like that they offer exclusive images, so if you feel you have a niche that sells better with them than elsewhere you can push that niche higher with a certain percentage of exclusive images.
It is a smart concept that works especially well for localized images. Europe is a small region with many languages and loads of local quirks and cultural nuances. Exclusive images give you better trade off than trying to upload them everywhere and hope you can get your investment back while they compete with all the generic stuff.
So yes, I will keep uploading.
But these unscheduled, abrupt dramatic kind of changes are scary and disturbing. It reminds me of istock and I really would prefer a smoother and balanced way to do business.
Anyway, I am new to how they work, but here in Germany many artists are doing well with them.
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