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« on: May 26, 2023, 16:22 »
...At the end of the day, the only thing that really matters is total earnings at the and of the month.
If you think about this a little more, which month are you thinking of - this month, May 2024, May 2018...? I'd argue you can't think so narrowly and look at only one month. It isn't hard to come up with scenarios where you have great monthly earnings, but only for a short time before the whole business model collapses. Watching trends that give an idea of where things are going, or opting out of trends that long term are not good for contributors, may help us as a group.
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« on: May 25, 2023, 12:59 »
...One question - has the increase in total DL outpaced the increase in size of your port - either in comparison to previous port size or compared to Adobe as a whole?...
My portfolio isn't that large (2,335 today) and hasn't grown much in the last couple of years. I haven't kept track of portfolio growth by date as it's been so (a) erratic - I do this part time as I have time to spare, and (b) small. Bottom line is that my growth in sales isn't because I've been an upload demon  And without knowing exactly what Adobe's growth has been, I have been keeping track of some stats (started when the free collection started) and April 2022 there were 190,203,517 photos and May 2023, 202,460,892 (I have overall size, but that included Pond5 videos going away which skewed things a bit). That was about 6.5% growth and is much less than the sales growth I'm seeing. I did make PNGs of some of my isolated photos last year sometime which is sort of growth but sort of not (as in the images didn't change, just the availability in a useful format), so you could subtract about 50 from my port size for that
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« on: May 25, 2023, 09:56 »
There was some discussion of Adobe sales in another thread, so I thought I'd update my tracking of the change in the mix of custom versus subscription sales and falling RPD (I only have photos and a few illustrations; no video). Both downloads and $$ at Adobe Stock continue to beat last year's numbers, which is obviously good. May isn't over yet and already the numbers are 15% higher in $$ and 33% in DLs over all of May in 2022 (and May 2022 was 25% higher than 2021, so it's not just a rebound situation). Revenue per download continues its decline and the proportion of "custom" downloads (versus "subscription") grows. There isn't a drop at the bottom end of royalties, which is good news. I still very occasionally see a 33 download although none this month. Otherwise it's 38 and up for everything. This week I saw a custom royalty for $16.50 which I assume is a very discounted extended license (that'd be a $26.40 royalty at list price for an EL). If I exclude that one license, May 2023 has an overall RPD of 64 versus May 2022 at 78 In May 2022, subscriptions were just over twice the number of custom downloads; subs RPD was 74 and custom RPD 87 In May 2023, custom were just about equal with subscriptions (6 more custom); subs RPD was 66 and custom RPD 63 If you go back to May 2021, subs were 7x custom and the overall RPD was 80 Looking at the year to date, the RPD is 70 - in 2020, the overall RPD was 95. I guess the question is whether the volume of downloads can rise enough to offset the reduced royalties, assuming these trends continue.
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« on: May 23, 2023, 12:46 »
Hello. How to create a post? I just registered and I don't see the option to create a post or topic.
I just approved your post (a measure put in place to avoid spam). Don't know what the rules are, but I believe you can't create new topics until a certain number of (non-spam) replies have been made
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« on: May 23, 2023, 12:45 »
"Through the GIPHY acquisition, we are extending our audience touch points beyond primarily professional marketing and advertising use cases and expanding into casual conversations" https://investor.shutterstock.com/news-releases/news-release-details/shutterstock-acquire-giphy-worlds-largest-gif-library-and-searchhttps://investor.shutterstock.com/static-files/2899adce-d747-4cc5-964f-8a2134df94c7https://finance.yahoo.com/news/meta-sells-giphy-53m-shutterstock-165241138.htmlThe blurbs include mention of Sponsored GIFs - which I assume means that while end users won't pay, companies will pay SS to create custom (brand-focused) GIFs, hoping for a viral moment. If you can figure out what this word salad means, then you know how SS will make its $53 million back: "We expect to execute against multiple monetization opportunities across advertising, content and distribution" Some comments https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/23/meta-sells-giphy-to-shutterstock-for-53m-after-uk-divestment-order/WSJ (paywall) "Shutterstock said it plans to fund the deal, slated to close in June, with cash on hand and its revolving credit facility, adding that Meta is entering into an API agreement to ensure continued access to Giphys content across its platform." https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-parent-meta-agrees-to-sell-giphy-for-53-million-on-regulators-order-7b1c2ec6https://www.theverge.com/2023/5/23/23734220/shutterstock-giphy-meta-cma-uk-antitrustFrom The Verege article: "For Shutterstock, the deal will augment its content library, expanding it to include GIFs and Stickers. The company also said it would help its generative AI and metadata strategy. Thats a bit more vague, but Shutterstock is currently using generative AI to provide imagery to its customers. Acquiring Giphys substantial library could theoretically give Shutterstock reams of training data for future AI-based products." From the Variety story "This is an exciting next step in Shutterstocks journey as an end-to-end creative platform..." https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/giphy-sold-meta-shutterstock-1235622548/From Engadget: " "This may affect Shutterstock's customers, though. Chief executive Paul Hennessy hopes Giphy will help commercialize Shutterstock's GIF collection don't be surprised if animated images play a prominent role in Shutterstock's offerings." https://www.engadget.com/metas-paid-verification-system-comes-to-the-uk-162523922.html
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« on: May 19, 2023, 10:26 »
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« on: May 18, 2023, 14:09 »
... but no one said "game changer"? What's wrong with them?...
Oh but they (she) did. Tune in around 58 minutes if you're skeptical  "AI is here; it is a game changer..." Some of the other language abuse: igniting possibilities driving innovation disrupting established norms AI is a way to supercharge your operation create at the speed of your imagination as we venture into this new AI frontier together AI can transform the entire creative process inspire your creative journey A part of the demo was having an image generated from the prompt "close-up of a bouquet of golden roses". I thought it might be instructive to show a screen grab from the video and compare that to what Firefly beta can produce. I would have included what Firefly did when asked to make it look like clay (which was something SS demonstrated with the roses) but virtually nothing changed visually when you selected different materials in Firefly (it has a "clay" option).
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« on: May 18, 2023, 10:06 »
Shutterstock held a virtual "showcase" Wednesday afternoon and the video is up on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbZ5q3X6MSYI watched some of it (and skipped some) and noted a couple of interesting things. Skip Wilson hosted (VP Brand Marketing, formerly at Peloton). About 2 minutes in, a panel discussion led by the chief product officer ostensibly about creative possibilities with AI. Ms. Schoen layered the buzzwords - disruption, innovation, etc. - and said "...generative technology is magical..." Please... There really wasn't much real content - panel members were from Peloton, NVIDIA and AWS. Perhaps Skip Wilson's prior gig was why Jackie Moore, a producer from Peloton was there. She said she couldn't talk about the specifics but they were using AI in their production (so why have her on the panel??). I listened for a bit but then skipped to the next segment. About 30 minutes in, Skip Wilson announces a partnership with AI for Good - responsible AI, blah, blah... https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/shutterstock-and-itus-ai-for-good-collaborate-to-advance-responsible-ai-301826531.htmlAt about 33 minutes, an interview with Joh Reynolds (artist, https://twitter.com/ArtByJah) about his use of AI About 43 mins is a product announcement/demo of an AI design assistant which looks pretty interesting. The slightly over-eager chat from the bot could get old fast, but it looks like it might be useful to customers with no design staff. At 51 minuets there's a final panel discussion. They emphasize their ethical approach to AI and talk about the contributor fund and how Shutterstock "helps" artists make money from their work. There was a discussion of the process of offering customers indemnity for the work they generate and then license through SS. It appears they'll run the output through their inspection process and if the content passes, the customer will have legal indemnity from SS in the event there's a lawsuit. The discussion contrasted how SS's approach to generative AI was different in that they're doing it ethically and compensating contributors (no mention that they did the initial training before telling anyone about it). That's certainly Adobe's pitch too. Based on my experience with Firefly beta, Shutterstock will clean Adobe's clock with their design tool. The demo was undoubtedly showing off a carefully scripted and tested scenario, but Firefly is an exercise it time consuming frustration trying to get anything usable that's even close to what the prompts asked for. You can join their waitlist to try the creative AI tool https://www.shutterstock.com/ai-image-generator
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« on: May 15, 2023, 18:01 »
Email arrived this afternoon announcing editorial subscriptions at SS. I wasn't sure why that was new, but looking at the pricing page for editorial images (I think this is unrelated to editorial use only images in the main collection), they only had per image -single or multi-pack - at $199 or $99 per image.
There's no info on the price for these enterprise subscriptions (I clicked on the Subscribe link but you have to fill out a form and someone will contact you) but I'm guessing it'll be less than the image packs. Which will mean lower royalties for contributors.
If anyone has more information about how this is priced, please post.
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« on: May 15, 2023, 12:29 »
I have a 2004 Shutterstock model release, and the form is essentially the same. Other agencies have the same idea, but it's expressed differently and thus sounds less worrying.
I believe the reason this hasn't caused any problems is that a model cannot grant rights to anyone that the model doesn't have, and thus there is no way they can grant SS copyright in a photograph when the model doesn't have that in the first place.
The essential part of that sentence is that the model is not making a claim on the copyright; agreeing that the rights are "...free and clear from any claims by me or anyone acting on my behalf."
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« on: May 13, 2023, 14:19 »
On Wednesday, as part of Google's I/O event, Adobe announced their partnership: "Today we announced that were bringing Firefly to Bard by Google with the ability to continue your creative journey in Adobe Express, to inspire millions of people to create. In the coming months, Firefly will power and highlight text-to-image capabilities in Googles experimental conversational AI service, with the ability to continue your creative journey further in Express. Users of all skill levels will be able to describe their vision to Bard in their own words to create Firefly generated images directly in Bard. After you generate an image with Firefly, you will have the ability to edit and further modify it using Express, making it easy to create standout content with inspiration from Expresss beautiful, high-quality collection of templates, fonts, Stock images and assets." Up till now, if you downloaded an image you generated with Firefly beta, (a) it had a watermark and (b) was not authorized for commercial use. Is that true for the output from Bard/Firefly/Adobe Express? "Stay tuned in the weeks ahead for updates on Firefly and more exciting features coming to Express!" I think it's more than time for an update for contributors on when they might see compensation, or at least a plan. We should not just be an afterthought as the execs make deals. What exactly is holding up the compensation model announcement? We were asked to be patient while beta was underway (although it would have been preferable to have to consulted before the training was done), but announcing a big new partnership, trumpeting the main advantage to be the rights to their (our) content, makes it clear the marketing messages are Adobe's priority, not the reality of putting a compensation plan in place. https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2023/05/10/adobe-firefly-adobe-express-google-bardHere's some more coverage of this announcement: https://techcrunch.com/2023/05/10/google-partners-with-adobe-to-bring-art-generation-to-bard/https://petapixel.com/2023/05/10/google-is-integrating-adobe-firefly-and-express-into-bard-chatbot/https://www.forbes.com/sites/barrycollins/2023/05/10/google-bard-boosted-with-adobes-ai-art/?sh=1f00687f31efhttps://www.engadget.com/google-is-incorporating-adobes-firefly-ai-image-generator-into-bard-174525371.htmlhttps://www.fastcompany.com/90894359/google-and-adobe-firefly-bard-partnershiphttps://www.techtarget.com/searchcustomerexperience/news/366537328/Google-adds-Adobes-image-generator-Firefly-to-BardIt's lovely that the press coverage is emphasizing the ethical basis for Firefly - our content uploaded to Adobe Stock - but that has to be backed up with a plan and actual compensation. From the TechTarget article ""It's an interesting example of how training data may be the most important differentiator between AI services rather than usability or output,"" From the FastCompany article: "THE ETHICAL ADVANTAGE Theres something unique about Google and Adobes play: The ethical aspect. Google explains that unlike any other Generative AI tool available today, Firefly is designed to generate images that are safe to use in commercial settings once the model is out of public beta, free from copyrighted materials like popular cartoon characters and branded content. The secret to Adobes sauce is that Firefly is trained on hundreds of millions of professional-grade, licensed images in Adobe Stock, which is a critical aspect in obtaining not only high-quality images but material that respects copyright owners. " I'm not feeling respected today...
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« on: May 13, 2023, 11:44 »
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« on: May 12, 2023, 08:18 »
My catalog is also there. I would like it removed. I do not use Wirestock.
All Adobe Stock content is shown there - if you check the box marked Adobe Stock. My images are too, but I don't think individual contributors have any control over Adobe API customers - there's no opt out. And you can't issue take-down notices as they have a license to use these images.
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« on: May 11, 2023, 16:00 »
Shutterstock had a mini-rally earlier this week, but closed today at $52.63 (down $2.11 from Wed) https://finance.yahoo.com/news/peri-sstk-better-value-stock-154003633.htmlFor some reason I can't fathom - other than the investor newsletter just has no clue about the businesses these companies are actually engaged in and how they work (who the customers are) - this article put Shutterstock and Perion in the same business category: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/peri-sstk-better-value-stock-154003633.htmlI looked at Perion's home page and it's full of buzzy fluff about capturing digital dollars, or fragmenting technology (slight misrepresentation on my part): "Perion is focused on the future, and has built a tech-stack that drives our Capture & Convince business solutions. Our AI and machine learning can be applied to sourcing and optimizing traffic, transforming dumb funnels into smart consumer journeys." I don't think they're in the same business at all, but at the end, the article about taking advantage of undervalued stocks recommends buying Perion's stock, not SSTK "Both PERI and SSTK are impressive stocks with solid earnings outlooks, but based on these valuation figures, we feel that PERI is the superior value option right now." Here's a more general article about what Perion does - I have no love for SSTK, but it must be frustrating to have investment advisers lump you in with the wrong bucket and then drag the stock down as a result. But them's the breaks when you decide to go public https://seekingalpha.com/article/4584594-perion-network-still-very-discountedhttps://www.perion.com/Edited to add that the stock closed down a bit more Tuesday 16 May - $51.29, (down $1.67 from Monday). Tomorrow afternoon SS is hosting a (streaming) Gen AI event "AI is the game changer of all game changerssomething every brand and business in the industry can gain from. Dont forget to book your seat so you can learn how to make it work for you." They're clearly hoping if they bang the AI drum enough it'll do them some good. Separately I saw a marketing piece - misspelled drivel, IMO - that says there's huge growth ahead. Probably not all that well researched as they include (the now bankrupt) EyeEm in the list of "top companies" https://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/news/a2z-market-research/stock-photos-and-videos-market-to-witness-huge-growth-by-2029-adobe-stock-shutterstock-fotosearch"Stock Photos and Videos Market is growing at a +7% CAGR during the forecast period 2023-2030. The increasing interest of the individuals in this industry is that the major reason for the expansion of this market" Edited May 26 to add that SSTK closed yesterday at $48.94, so there's clearly something bothering investors. Their "ex-dividend date" (last day to be qualified to receive the next stock dividend) is May 31 and typically that causes the stock price to go up a bit as people buy... May 30 close, $47.22
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« on: May 06, 2023, 09:03 »
...Because of Adobe Firefly i would invest in Adobe and not in Shutterstock.
Have you used the Firefly beta? IMO it is unusable for most people for most purposes at the moment.
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« on: May 05, 2023, 11:07 »
Well the rise of AI could have investors worried. Adobe has other income, stock ist just a small part.
The Motley Fool article seems to share your view - https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/05/05/why-uipath-shutterstock-and-duolingo-are-plummetin/"Shares of UiPath (PATH), Shutterstock (SSTK), and Duolingo (DUOL) have seen big losses in this week's trading amid concerns that artificial intelligence (AI) will disrupt their businesses. " "Shutterstock actually has a partnership with OpenAI and has been working to integrate AI-generated content into its platform. But the partnership with the AI pioneer clearly hasn't been enough to put investors at ease about potential risks of disruption. It looks as if AI-generated content will continue to improve and become more popular, and that poses a significant threat to Shutterstock as it currently exists. While the company could eventually become a bigger player in AI content generation, its current business model revolves primarily around stock images, music, and videos." Market is still open, bit SSTK is down another $1.06 (-2.04%) at $50.78
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« on: May 05, 2023, 11:00 »
This Wall Street Journal article (paywall) is about AI and advertising - along with the turmoil resulting from the shift from traditional TV to streaming and how the advertising dollars are following (or not). The reason I think this might have an impact on stock agencies is that a good chunk of our licenses are for advertising uses. Digital Video Publishers Tout AI and New Metrics at NewFronts Sales Eventshttps://www.wsj.com/articles/digital-video-publishers-tout-ai-and-new-metrics-at-newfronts-sales-events-97a42c4fA couple of interesting quotes: "Players in free ad-supported television or ad-supported video on demand, smart-TV manufacturers like LG and Samsung, premium video publishers and others at the NewFronts all reported growing viewership and sought to convince buyers they deserved video ad spending..." "As Writers Guild members marched outside of Peacocks presentation, in part protesting studios reluctance to regulate AI-generated material in television and movies, media executives sold AI as a technology to elevate buyers advertising deals. Roku described a new AI-driven feature that scans programming on its ad-supported Roku Channel to match advertisers, their products and their campaigns with relevant scenes in shows and movies. Imagine promoting a new phone line in the ad break after every time E.T. phones home, or advertising an apparel line every time Tim Gunn says make it work on Project Runway, Julian Mintz, Rokus head of U.S. brand sales, told ad buyers.""
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« on: May 04, 2023, 16:05 »
SSTK close today was $51.84, down another $3.07 (-5.59%) on yesterday The only new information I found was this article about "...an unusually large $440.00K block of Put contracts in Shutterstock (SSTK) was bought, with a strike price of $47.50 / share, expiring in 261 day(s) (on January 19, 2024)". Timing was around midday yesterday (May 3) https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/unusual-put-option-trade-in-shutterstock-sstk-worth-%24440.00kI'm not well versed in these financial gambles, but this article explains a put option - which I think means the person buying those is betting the stock will drop. As to why someone wants to play games with SSTK, I'm none the wiser... https://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/putoption.asp
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« on: May 03, 2023, 16:36 »
The current head of the US Federal Trade Commission wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times (paywall) but there's a good summary in Ars Technica https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/05/we-must-regulate-ai-ftc-chair-khan-says/There aren't very many comments in the NY Times - all comments are moderated, but even so only 267? An article about Tucker Carlson's texts had 2617  Comments are pretty negative about her approach - either because they are opposed to regulation in principle or because they don't see anything sufficiently specific about how to rein in tech companies. An example: "There isn't a single specific suggestion in this article about how to regulate the use of AI. It just lists the problems with which we are all already familiar. If the head of a federal agency is going to place an article in the NYT, it should offer more than this." There was one comment about content creators: "not a peep in this opinion about protection of intellectual property and creators work. Just like streaming music, no doubt the AI lobbyists are on the job right now, making sure govt looks the other way as their clients appropriate the value of creative work."
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« on: May 03, 2023, 15:40 »
I looked around to see if there was any bad news about the agency that might have spooked the stock market, but didn't find anything. The stock closed at $54.91. The DOW and Nasdaq were only down a fraction (about 0.50%); tech stocks were mixed but were +/- 1%; Adobe's stock was down 6.35% but I'm guessing that was about its Figma acquisition running into regulatory problems, not something related to their agency. I looked at LinkedIn to see if Paul Hennessey had moved on, but apparently not  . Their Q1 numbers were decent and they upped their dividend to 27. Does anyone have any idea why investors are unhappy?
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« on: May 01, 2023, 08:26 »
I'm beginning to see some common themes in the arguments for or against being able to copyright AI-created works, who is the creator of a work, and various analogies to past technologies and whether they produced original work. Here's another article on the subject, again behind a paywall, arguing that the US copyright office's decision in the graphic novel was wrong. I don't agree with the point of view - I'm still stuck on the fact that none of the current generative AI tools would be able to produce if they hadn't ripped off masses of work to "train" themselves. The comments are lengthy and in many ways more interesting that the opinion piece  The author also wrote Creators Take Control: How NFTs Revolutionize Art, Business, and Entertainment.. I haven't read that, but it doesn't surprise me that these two points of view come from the same person. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/27/artificial-intelligence-copyright-decision-misguided/In talking about the use of prompts as creative intellectual labor, he writes: "If the creator doesnt like the result, she can refine the prompts as Kashtanova did hundreds of times until the image matches her intellectual conception. The more one uses prompts, the better one becomes at predicting the results. Thats why new jobs as prompt engineers have sprouted. Businesses seek the fruits of these creators intellectual labor." The derivative nature of this creativity reminds me of the furor over Shepard Fairey's Hope poster (although that case was complicated by the fact that he lied about the source image in a legal action) The article includes the by-now-common analogy to photography and discusses an 1884 supreme court case about a photograph of Oscar Wilde where the court concluded that photographs were not simple mechanical reproductions, but representatives of original intellectual conceptions of the author. I think the fallacy is in comparing the system behind generative AI to the equipment that takes a photograph (and even more off base if you include post-processing software that the creator of a photograph almost always uses. If generative AI systems were based on robots having gone out to paint and photograph Yosemite, the deep dark woods, etc., there'd be some fair comparison, but that's not what has been done. The top three most liked comments on the article: "Sorry dude. Copyright Office is right. You're wrong. Besides your analogies fail. A jazz artist is wholly creating their improvisations. A prompt "artist" is tweaking someone else's. In music that is called arranging not creating. Arrangements dont get copyrights." "Exactly. I'm an engineer who does computer coding. If I ask chatGPT to create a code to, say, run a basic spectral analysis on gappy satellite altimetry data, using a specific non-FFT method, I absolutely SHOULD be allowed to USE the results (assuming they're right, which they might well not be for technical reasons, but I digress). But I surely shouldn't be able to COPYRIGHT that code. Because I didn't write it. It's literally made from a computer recombination of the work of other previous coders and mathematicians. It's not "mine", even if I can use it for free. There's nothing sacred about art that makes it different than anything else. If you want to copyright it, make it yourself. Otherwise, be grateful that you can use the skill of other people (AI programmers and real artists) to get your work done well for you." "And this is generally true of the current machine learning trained on big data model of AI. Every sentence, every image, comes from recombining the words and images the AI is trained on, a huge portion of which was nominally protected by copyright. Current AI models are the worst enemy of copyright in history."
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« on: April 30, 2023, 09:23 »
This New York Times story is behind a paywall, but for those who can read it, I think it shows a clear parallel between concerns of photographers, illustrators, videographers, musicians about AI tools building a business on the backs of other people's work without compensating them. This story is about writers for movies and TV: "Will a Chatbot Write the Next Succession? As labor contract negotiations heat up in Hollywood, unions representing writers and actors seek limits on artificial intelligence." 98% voted to approve a strike. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/29/business/media/writers-guild-hollywood-ai-chatgpt.htmlOne significant difference is that writers have a union representing them. There are various points of leverage mentioned in the story which don't apply to stock agency contributors. One is the ruling that you can't copyright something generated by AI (referring to visual art) which may help keep human writers employed as the lack of copyright protection would discourage large financial investments in a project - anyone could then just copy it and the company with the investment would have no recourse. There's also the writer's credit: "...it falls to the Writers Guild and not the studio to determine who receives a writers credit on a project, and that the union will guard this rite jealously. We want to make sure that an A.I. is never one of those writers in the chain of title for a project, " So far, it seems that musicians and TV writers have large organizations who will go to bat for creator's rights; that may have benefits, if they succeed, for others without any heavyweight in their corner.
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