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« on: October 06, 2012, 02:27 »
I just dragged this out of their terms of service
"Files available at the Site may be copied and used for private use by the User solely for non-commercial or educational purposes only. "
Im going to add this to my reasons not to upload anymore!
This however is not unusual. Even existed back in the old trad agencies days.
477
« on: October 05, 2012, 11:30 »
It has 'Lagereek ' thus the making of a good read which usually ended up locked 
Why do they always lock these posts? they are informative somehow. So its by invetation, is it?
478
« on: October 05, 2012, 00:59 »
RM is a green field with still untapped potentials for microstockers. Some microstock sites are making an inroad into it. It is less competitive than RF files which are reaching saturation.
How are you fairing in RM?
Which microstock sites are "making an inroad"? Which micros are licensing images on an RM basis?
Can you explain "untapped potential"? RM has been around much longer than the RF and the Subscription RF model.
My RM portfolio is doing just fine. Quite frankly, it is just as, if not more, competitive that RF at the micros.
I hate to drag this back to the OP and on topic, but, I agree. Still I wonder...
Which microstock sites are "making an inroad"?
As for people who don't like Alamy but never sent their work there, please continue that policy. Less competition in any area with any agency and talking people out of joining is always appreciated.
I dont work with Alamy but I know many who does and they hardly ever sell any Rm pictures.
Hi Race! I dont think anybody said they dont like Alamy, its an old British friendly agency and long before micro but its a pigeonholed agency, specializing in travel, scenics, British landscapes, etc.
Now after what I have been told which may I add might ofcourse be wrong, is that RF outsell RM by miles.
It depends where the RF is and what the RM photos are taken of and where they are marketed. You have pointed that out many times yourself.
If you put MicroStock RF up on Alamy, it's going to die a slow death, compared to what sells better on Alamy, scenic and travel for example. (RF and RM) The same good sellers on Alamy probably won't be accepted on Micro. It isn't RF vs RM, it's what and where. Someone who wants to over simplify and say, that agency X makes the difference is going to be wrong. It's what you sell on that agency and matching it to the buyers needs and desires.
Put some of your ball bearings and oil and gas rigs up on Alamy and see what happens. Don't just say "it's not going to work, so I won't do it..." And keep repeating how it's a poor place for images or making money. Sounds like the same people who shout, "you can't make money selling images for 25c a download." But odd, there are a good bunch of people here who do! 
Example:
Alamy
Portfolio size of 1400 images. On Alamy my portfolio is split RM 74% RF 26%.
56% of revenue came from RM sales
44% of revenue came from RF sales
Average return per sale for RM images was $44
Average return per sale for RF images was $115
Source: http://fstop57.com/rm-rf-earnings-alamy-agefotostock/
The next fallacy you try to sell here and on Alamy and everywhere else is that Only the Brits selling scenic and travel, can make money. Also wrong:
"Alamy is better for me, given my very specific circumbstances. I shoot law enforcement, prisons, forensics etc. On average I get between $125 and $200 per license through Alamy. Don't know how many downloads I'd need on any micro (since I don't have any images with any micro agency) to get - say $150 - but I doubt that my images are suitable for mass-downloads. While a textbook publisher is normally perfectly happy to pay $150 to $250 for the average license for one of my images of - say - cops busting down a door to serve a high-risk drug related search warrant, how many downloads would an image like that get on the micro agencies? Or how many downloads would I need on a micro to match the $2,400 for a recent license (one-time usage as I pretty much only to RM) of a cop using a shotgun to breach a door? I don't know."
http://www.alamy.com/forums/default.aspx?g=posts&t=13522
Old Data 2007 but even if it has shifted, there's some point to be made for, income and sales on Alamy and RM makes poor money. (as you claim)
"Alamy does not release revenue, except to provide average price-per-image licensed figures. Thirty-four percent of revenue came from RF sales at an average price-per-image of $155, and 66 percent from RM at an average price of $222. About 90 percent of their sales were for editorial use with an average price of $130."
Source: http://rising.blackstar.com/fast-growing-alamy-adds-nearly-one-million-images-in-q1.html
I dont work with Alamy but I know many who does and they hardly ever sell any Rm pictures.
Hi Race! I dont think anybody said they dont like Alamy, its an old British friendly agency and long before micro but its a pigeonholed agency, specializing in travel, scenics, British landscapes, etc.
Now after what I have been told which may I add might ofcourse be wrong, is that RF outsell RM by miles.
I believe you've been told wrong, in all cases? 
Well given the fact that I dont have as much experience as you have in the macro area, yes as you say I might be wrong on all accounts and I have then been misled and told wrong in all cases. Maybe, perhaps you would be kind enough to give us a guideline as to what will sell at Alamy and all other RM and RF agencies? Sorry about my errored post about Alamy. have a good day sir.
479
« on: October 04, 2012, 12:41 »
RM is a green field with still untapped potentials for microstockers. Some microstock sites are making an inroad into it. It is less competitive than RF files which are reaching saturation.
How are you fairing in RM?
Which microstock sites are "making an inroad"? Which micros are licensing images on an RM basis?
Can you explain "untapped potential"? RM has been around much longer than the RF and the Subscription RF model.
My RM portfolio is doing just fine. Quite frankly, it is just as, if not more, competitive that RF at the micros.
I hate to drag this back to the OP and on topic, but, I agree. Still I wonder...
Which microstock sites are "making an inroad"?
As for people who don't like Alamy but never sent their work there, please continue that policy. Less competition in any area with any agency and talking people out of joining is always appreciated.
I dont work with Alamy but I know many who does and they hardly ever sell any Rm pictures.
Hi Race! I dont think anybody said they dont like Alamy, its an old British friendly agency and long before micro but its a pigeonholed agency, specializing in travel, scenics, British landscapes, etc. Now after what I have been told which may I add might ofcourse be wrong, is that RF outsell RM by miles.
480
« on: October 04, 2012, 11:17 »
RT! wow thats a BIG sale, isnt it. must be one off. I have also had a few small sales but on average the RMs seem to be around 400-600 bucks.
Im afraid its a sign of the times really. Ten years back the prices were twice as much, customers were used to these prices and didnt even complain.
best.
481
« on: October 04, 2012, 08:45 »
welcome back and back and back lagereek
BTW its different 
Ah yes. He is yet another pezzanovante with an infamnia.
482
« on: October 04, 2012, 08:35 »
@oxman - do you like photocase? If not, is there currently an agency that has the type of hand-picked work you'd like to see?
I was not familiar with them. Just checked them out and typed in "gavel" and it returned a bunch of photos of gravel and no other options... so I feel that site has issues with content.
Regarding quality stock... back in the pre micro days my firm used alot of stock from Tony Stone. That collection had a great feel and creative twist which is lacking in most stock. I'd like to see a micro stock with the style of the old or new Stone work.
http://www.gettyimages.com/creative/frontdoor/stone
How many gavel shots has Tony Stone done? If that's the stick you measure "higher artistic quality" by no wonder you can't find what you're looking for.
Just did.
483
« on: October 04, 2012, 07:08 »
I'm doing well with Getty but besides other things it's important in which collection your images end up, Photographer's Choice, Vetta and Photodisc are IMHO not very high ranked, but which may change so you should have your photos as in many different collections as possible, I guess Stone+ is always a sure bet but pretty hard to get anything in this collection.
Yes Stones/Image-bank collection is the ultimate but today thats a closed door. Fortunately I got in many years back. Today it might have been a differant story. Photographers-choice is not what many believe some sort of leftovers from people who cant get into the main collection. Fair enough, you pay to get in there, so what? PC, house many good photographers and plenty of great imagery and most important, they sell. In fact any collection within Getty will give exposure! advertising, PR, etc which one normally has to pay for. I think we have to separate the Rm outlets from micro. Inside the Getty Rm its totally differant people on a totally differant level then say within their micro outlets.
484
« on: October 04, 2012, 04:51 »
RM sales are fine but you dont need many sales to make a good month and thats a big differance from micro. I would suggest more people start looking at agencies like Age, Media Bakery, Masterfile, etc. They do RM and RF. Obviously Getty is the ultimate for RMs, they have an incredible selling power much thanks to the Stone-ImageBank collections but Getty is also a very time consuming and slow affair. There are in fact tons of other Rm outlets. 
485
« on: October 04, 2012, 04:11 »
I am trying to promote my portfolio only on contributor friendly agencies, where is better deal for me...
I hope that everyone do the same...
That can be one of reasons...
Only problem is, contributor friendly agencies hardly sell that much. Its easy to promise this and that and to be contributor friendly when sales are rare. Should sales escalate, well then they wont be so friendly anymore. Stick with the bad guys.
486
« on: October 04, 2012, 03:32 »
Unlike ClaridgeJ my non-istock sales were all OK in September. Nothing to get excited about but nothing to cause any concern, and October had started well, too, even if I don't take into account the $350 commission from Alamy
My IS sales during September was fairly good actually and same as you, October started well. I was more talking about the industry in general as not what it used to be.
487
« on: October 04, 2012, 00:47 »
Forum is so hard up? that we have to pursue this drivel?
488
« on: October 04, 2012, 00:41 »
Nope. My guess is that the supply is outstripping the demand by miles. Too much quantity mixed with inferior quality. Its not just IS, its pretty much every single one of them.
same thing is happening in macro, they are all starving exept Getty.
I am just guessing btw.
489
« on: October 03, 2012, 14:36 »
The images you present are good but they are not fine art, similar imagery can be found in the files of the better RM agencies so its nothing new.
What you aim to repair is the micro industry, isnt it? fine. Throw out 70% of all irrelevant material in all other agencies followed by deleting tens of thousands of hobby photographers accounts followed by wrestling with the giants of SS, IS not to mention Getty. Question is? how many billions of dollars have you got in the purse?
well apart from all this. Dont you think its a bit late in the day?
wishing you luck however.
490
« on: October 03, 2012, 11:43 »
Just when I was beginning to think that they don't actually offer any of the pictures I upload for sale, there are 3 sales through their partner DDP at a whooping .49 commission each! 
Oh well, two of them are micros, so I guess those are actually good commissions. The third one is a RM picture though. How . can they sell an RM license for .49 commission?! Price was set to "standard", which makes me wonder what happens if you set the price to "micro"...
Believe me! thats a one off or SANTA has come early.
491
« on: October 03, 2012, 11:06 »
For me FT was the biggest drop and they used to be a great earner. However these last three days have been reasonably ok so I am considering uploading again.
Me too. Shockingly bad. Down 91% from Sept 2011, which was down about 50% from the prior year.
At this rate, FT are on their way to complete irrelevance for me.
Yes I dont know what they are doing anymore? since the IPO business they seem to have lost all interest and now I suppose they just want to take their money and run.
492
« on: October 03, 2012, 10:26 »
Sorry to hear that. People are screaming BMEs everywhere? I doubt it. Not a cosolation but I really dont think too many independants here are doing all that much better.
I'm sure it is a mixed bag. Things are going pretty well for me (started in 2006), but it took work rebuilding it. I don't envy the task ahead for any long time exclusive jumping into independence.
Makes two of us but for for anyone doing well there is probably ten doing bad. Also dont forget there are lots of people with small ports or just starters and to them only a few sales a month extra is BME and so on. Its impossible to get an overall picture.
493
« on: October 03, 2012, 07:14 »
iStock: Worst month for dls since July 2007. Worst month for $$ since May 2011.
Compared to Sept 2011: $$ down >26%; dls down >50%
Compared to Aug 2012: $$ down >5%; dls down c23%
2 good ELs in Sept meant the $$ weren't as low as the dls suggest, because neither last Sept or last month had any Els.
More ironically, the low dls combined with the good ELs to make the dire month of Sept 2012 my best ever for RPD, which illustrates why I've never thought RPD was very useful.
Alamy: 2 lowish value dls; disappointing.
October has started just as poorly. I need to work out a PlanB.
Sorry to hear that. People are screaming BMEs everywhere? I doubt it. Not a cosolation but I really dont think too many independants here are doing all that much better.
494
« on: October 03, 2012, 04:43 »
For me FT was the biggest drop and they used to be a great earner. However these last three days have been reasonably ok so I am considering uploading again.
495
« on: October 03, 2012, 04:40 »
They have a thread over there that says how was your September, someone is reporting 8k$$ for September. Thats not nothing. But then again, also loads of people selling f-all
Yes and thats Jeff, who has a 12K picture portfolio! with that incredible amount of pictures and in an Rm/Rf agency I would want to earn the same if not twice as much.
Actually he has 87,595 images on Alamy for which he quotes an "above average $8k gross" (at best that's only $4.8k nett), it's not something I consider to be spectacular, mind you his 'style' of snap away and upload everything seems to impress some people and you can't deny it proves the statement that "any old cr*p can sell", I once saw somebody mention he was in the top 2 at Alamy, believe me he's nowhere near. Not knocking what he does but he's not someone I'd recommend to anyone as a role model, if Alamy ever closed shop he'd lose his income.
Hi! 87K images, Youre not kidding are you? and exclusive to Alamy. Dangerous game to play.
496
« on: October 03, 2012, 01:08 »
They have a thread over there that says how was your September, someone is reporting 8k$$ for September. Thats not nothing. But then again, also loads of people selling f-all
Yes and thats Jeff, who has a 12K picture portfolio! with that incredible amount of pictures and in an Rm/Rf agency I would want to earn the same if not twice as much.
497
« on: October 02, 2012, 15:34 »
Should you by any chance go to Corleone in Sicily, dont go around photographing. I am serious, no jokes.
498
« on: October 02, 2012, 15:32 »
I am absoloutely sure that the only reason people stick with Alamy is because they offer a fair percentage and thats even if they dont sell a damned thing, in which case its all too easy to offer a fair percentage.
A friend of mine is with them, he is earning a small fortune every single month with two other Rm/Rf agencies but with Alamy, Zip.
499
« on: October 02, 2012, 05:38 »
I had a look at REX, it seems to be all the hollywood stuff, glam news.
I have a unique archive of photos of me taking my Mini across the real Australian Desert, 6000km's of dirt in a small car. Some really cool photos, but none of them have been published online before.
Getty & Corbis seemed to be the ones, i would love to get a story in Nat Geo.
Nat Geo is great and an honor. Unless its an assignment they dont pay very much. As they know that you know its an honor. Very often this is the way to go, especially if you want to make yourself a name.
500
« on: October 02, 2012, 02:33 »
The economy is supposedly in a very bad state and at the same time most people report here BME, or at least a steady rise of earnings. What's so special about this business that it's been completely resistant to problems in the whole economy for the past 5 years ?
For me it was a BME as well. Both on SS and Fotolia (my two best earners ).
We are not selling cars or houses. We are providers of products to possibly the cheapest service in the world. Reccession and world economy is one thing but I am sure that buyers of micro can afford a few cents here and there.
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