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this is as wrong as Sean is wrong in naming the user H2O by the wrong name.

Did I?  They ( or their twin ) is posting the exact same thing on FB including the same wording about retroactive.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/stockcoalition/permalink/444978646740060/

I assure you h2o is not that person. And what are you even trying to accomplish sharing private group or personal information here?

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This will also drastically reduce the demand since fewer customers will be able to afford the new prices....

this is as wrong as Sean is wrong in naming the user H2O by the wrong name.

web design companies have no problem with photo prices at all nor do they insist on cheaper ones. they charge it most often from the customer's design anyway. nor does anyone go bankrupt because of the high prices of photos on the internet.

but I see that you are accustomed to this wild west and the real question is whether you should be paid more at all when you think you are worth less.
The real question is why do you think you are an employee when the agency doesn't even own what you produce? Or perhaps why Shutterstock have a duty to pay you what you think you are worth.

Where did i wrote that? That we are employees, nonsense.

The real question is why do you think that things don't ever change? 15 years ago you could use stolen music on your youtube video, try it now. 2 years ago social media haven't accused or banned anyone for writing whatever they think is a fact(even i personality don't agree with censorship for whatever reason). 3 days ago uber drivers had no benefits. Today we have no control of our contents, where it will be sold or given away for free. Internet changed a lot in last few years and that's only start.

EU based contributors doesn't have anything to do with that, because it doesn't work like that, but agencies can of course choose not to sell in EU market.

This is beginning to be repeatable and pointless conversation, putting some word i didn't even wrote, time will tell. Cheers and good luck!!
The thread is about the judgement that some Uber employees being classed as employees. You agree that we are not employees so we would probably need to look at monopoly and unfair competition laws rather than employment.  I don't think the laws of supply and demand in a capitalist world are going to change anytime soon.  Shutterstock could easily decide what countries they accept contributors from. Music is an interesting parallel. Recorded music per se is now close to worthless so the industry now focusses on value added products such as Vinyl and live music. We have to adopt the same thinking. But you are right in that only time will tell.

you are kind of right about music, problem is that those streaming services where billions of people listen to music on their phone is not the same thing as buying music to use it in your commercial project like stock photos works. try to buy some artist music to use in your movie and see is it still worth few cent like just personally listening to it in your home.

agencies (I am not talking here about SS, all of them) are wrong if they think few millions buyers unlimited subscription will translate to photos/illustrations/videos because demand is not the same like almost  few billions people using music streaming services only for their joy and not for business projects.


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This will also drastically reduce the demand since fewer customers will be able to afford the new prices....

this is as wrong as Sean is wrong in naming the user H2O by the wrong name.

web design companies have no problem with photo prices at all nor do they insist on cheaper ones. they charge it most often from the customer's design anyway. nor does anyone go bankrupt because of the high prices of photos on the internet.

but I see that you are accustomed to this wild west and the real question is whether you should be paid more at all when you think you are worth less.
The real question is why do you think you are an employee when the agency doesn't even own what you produce? Or perhaps why Shutterstock have a duty to pay you what you think you are worth.

Where did i wrote that? That we are employees, nonsense.

The real question is why do you think that things don't ever change? 15 years ago you could use stolen music on your youtube video, try it now. 2 years ago social media haven't accused or banned anyone for writing whatever they think is a fact(even i personality don't agree with censorship for whatever reason). 3 days ago uber drivers had no benefits. Today we have no control of our contents, where it will be sold or given away for free. Internet changed a lot in last few years and that's only start.

EU based contributors doesn't have anything to do with that, because it doesn't work like that, but agencies can of course choose not to sell in EU market.

This is beginning to be repeatable and pointless conversation, putting some word i didn't even wrote, time will tell. Cheers and good luck!!

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This will also drastically reduce the demand since fewer customers will be able to afford the new prices....

this is as wrong as Sean is wrong in naming the user H2O by the wrong name.

web design companies have no problem with photo prices at all nor do they insist on cheaper ones. they charge it most often from the customer's design anyway. nor does anyone go bankrupt because of the high prices of photos on the internet.

but I see that you are accustomed to this wild west and the real question is whether you should be paid more at all when you think you are worth less.

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If you think a contract is outragous don't sign it. No one is compelled to sign up to an agency no agency requires you to submit a minimum number of pictures or direct you on what to produce and mostly they don't restrict your ability to sell elsewhere.

did you sign anything when contract terms were changed? nobody did

contract can be changed only if both sides agrees, at least in EU, anything other than that is illegal.

retroactively changing terms of use is and will always be illegal if both parties dont agree, and option that we can remove all of our images and leave is not real options because in that way everyone can leave, uber drivers, workers, employees. (yes, we dont have same rights and employees, but uber drivers didn't have few days ago either).

In soon regulated internet market we will have options to agree to new terms or choose not to, where our already approved content stay in same conditions as we agreed and we just don't upload any new content for conditions that we didn't agree upon.

If agencies don't want to work under EU law they can leave 450 millions EU market. But they will not do that, count on that.
So do you reckon Stock Sites should be allowed to continue to sell our work if  we decide to leave under the conditions at the time forever? Same logic.

you answered your own question. OUR work. but with this you also confirmed what I wrote, as it makes no sense to sell other people's works for life, even if their creators do not agree.

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If you think a contract is outragous don't sign it. No one is compelled to sign up to an agency no agency requires you to submit a minimum number of pictures or direct you on what to produce and mostly they don't restrict your ability to sell elsewhere.

It's all very well saying this, in reality the Agencies are always changing the Contracts, so you start off with a reasonable contract and then over the years after you have put a great deal of time and effort into the portfolios they change the terms you originally signed up for.

This is not being compelled to sign, this is being forced to sign.

You are not compelled to do anything.

Even Jon Oringer was quite blunt about the latest royalty reductions when he stated publicly that anyone who didn't like should just go and take their portfolios with them.

Lol, of course he will say that.

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If you think a contract is outragous don't sign it. No one is compelled to sign up to an agency no agency requires you to submit a minimum number of pictures or direct you on what to produce and mostly they don't restrict your ability to sell elsewhere.

did you sign anything when contract terms were changed? nobody did

contract can be changed only if both sides agrees, at least in EU, anything other than that is illegal.

retroactively changing terms of use is and will always be illegal if both parties dont agree, and option that we can remove all of our images and leave is not real options because in that way everyone can leave, uber drivers, workers, employees. (yes, we dont have same rights and employees, but uber drivers didn't have few days ago either).

In soon regulated internet market we will have options to agree to new terms or choose not to, where our already approved content stay in same conditions as we agreed and we just don't upload any new content for conditions that we didn't agree upon.

If agencies don't want to work under EU law they can leave 450 millions EU market. But they will not do that, count on that.

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I hired Shutterstock and Adobe to sell my content and I give them a percentage of every sale. So they work for me.

I know you were joking but to reply for others who maybe think different:

agencies choose price
agencies choose commission
agencies choose discounts
agencies choose even free promotions
agencies choose partners (and their commission)
agencies choose content (rejecting or accepting)

we can only choose to be with them or not (as all others, Uber drivers, workers etc.)

all of this was "under the radar" and will not go for a long time, that's why agency opening their own studios to do their own content because they know it can't continue to go like. Or they will go full AI generated content. (EU directive will soon became law)

as I said, times are changing as we all can see, and I expect in some future there will be no more single image on internet without copyright name, as well as not knowing where your image is bought and in what contest used will be past.

will this all go for better or worst to us, I don't know.

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It could effect stock industry if we go to court like those 25 Uber drivers decided to go, but not for employees benefits but to put some regulations so it's not possible to change terms of use retroactively. Things will change on Internet also in next few years. This will be tough fight but we unfortunately must fight for our rights.

It doesn't matter where company is based if EU decide not to allow those shady deals with changing terms we never agreed upon then agency can loose whole EU market.

Also in Germany is already against the law not to report where your image is used or in EU to prohibit rights to protect my rights on court in case of image usage violation. Agency have to provide you all buyer contact details and they do if you know how to ask even it's not in their terms of use.

Uber driver can also leave like we can, so it doesn't matter.

We need patience.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Cavan Images
« on: February 18, 2021, 13:40 »
Hi,
I just applied with Cavan and realized after uploading 10 videos that they are content exclusive.
They have just accepted my content, so I asked them to delete my account via the 'contact us' page.
Hope I've not made a big mistake  :-\

Dear friends, any comments about such experience are welcome please...

Best

Did I miss something? Nowhere in the contributor agreement does it say that submitted content needs to be exclusive to Canva.

cavanimages, not canva

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123RF / Re: Is this the oldest refund ever
« on: February 16, 2021, 04:46 »
same to me, same date.

they are very close to be rejected for me as agency I submit my files.

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looks like someone haven't read terms of use.


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General Stock Discussion / Re: Dreamstime uploading not working?
« on: January 30, 2021, 04:47 »
upload works but why dreamstime make harder and harder to submit content, why can't we have  batch file model release?

i don't have releases, but their process for editorial should be the default everywhere -  if an image isnt accepted as commercial they review it for editorial automatically - and you can submit an entire batch at once if you don't care about (useless) categories

at all other sites you can select more then one image to batch edit them and put release on all of them at once.

All of my images have releases and are not for editorial usage so now i have to select one image, check add model release, click on "+" sign, sort by date (wait a second for sorting to display), select your release, click done (wait a second) and that is for whole batch of 50-70-100 images in the row. It's much worst than any other site.

It would be all good if they display latest attached release under image but no, they display latest accepted release, not attached release, so they are good only if you put same model images every day/week.

Not only that, I don't know if it's even possible to search new release if it hasn't got any image attached to them. (well because it's new)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Dreamstime uploading not working?
« on: January 29, 2021, 13:34 »
upload works but why dreamstime make harder and harder to submit content, why can't we have  batch file model release?

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Dreamstime.com / Re: My interesting Dreamstime observation
« on: January 16, 2021, 06:13 »
Dreamstime have cut commissions a number of times. They started with 50% Royalty, but cut it twice within a space of a few years if I remember correctly. They cut commission on subs as they took away the levels for subs. I know they introduced a $2 sub but that was at the expense of taking away non sub options with higher payments. They cut the commission for their exclusive photographers also.

I've not been with Dreamstime for a few years and all the above is based on my memory. But they definitely have cut commissions a number of times, there will be plenty of threads of people raging in their forums each time it happened, it just wasn't very big new outside of their forums.

I am with them for about 10 years, and compared to all the others agencies in last 10 years, they are saints. They did introduce those subs but it's nothing like getty 0.02, ss 0.1, 123rf (cut for more sales, experienced less and less sales), now deposit with same excuse, Fotolia tried dollar photo club, no success, now adobe is much better.

They don't have many sales, but it least they are not ripping us with same excuses like others.


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Dreamstime.com / My interesting Dreamstime observation
« on: January 16, 2021, 03:46 »
Hi everyone

The only agency that not only haven't cut commission but even raised them is Dreamstime and what's interesting to me, and this is my personal experience, it's the only agency that I keep selling more and much better more higher single photo sales then before. I more often see 2.20, 3.65, 1.92 and 1.72 sales then last 2-3 years.

Thank you Dreamstime, you proved it can be done without taking advantage on your contributors!

I really hope you won't be bought by some greedy giant agency.

We contributors will never forget it!






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Adobe Stock / Re: Best keyword strategy in Adobe stock
« on: January 13, 2021, 11:17 »
I have all my images with 50 keywords, if I remove one from them will I get better rank for first 10 keywords or it is just for new uploads?

Unless the content is new, I wouldn't put that effort in. Be sure to limit your keywords to no more than 49 moving forward. Seems like a lot to have for every image, make sure you are adding only words that are relevant to the submission. If you add vague or irrelevant keywords, that will hurt your placement in search.

-Mat

thanks, but I still dont understand why is it allowed to put 50 when 49 is optimal for performance. Seems very strange and confusing move.

From now on I will do only 49 so maybe something will change.


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Adobe Stock / Re: Best keyword strategy in Adobe stock
« on: January 13, 2021, 05:07 »
I have all my images with 50 keywords, if I remove one from them will I get better rank for first 10 keywords or it is just for new uploads?

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only laws can change this mess.

EU, US anyone... agencies will take multi million dollars deals, demand is still huge, but when copyright holder is last to find out what is happening with his copyrighted work this may not be legal anymore.


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Selling Stock Direct / Re: Google images licensable tag
« on: December 19, 2020, 11:42 »
After months, anything new?

shutterstock is opening their own shutterstock studios for creating content

maybe that mean something

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DepositPhotos / Re: 0.14
« on: December 08, 2020, 03:25 »
yes, they are starting to sell for less so we get less.

Looks like they think they are relevant like SS or IS


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123RF / Re: Sudden decrease in sales mid-October
« on: October 23, 2020, 03:13 »
same here, started very good then stopped almost completely.

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best month in last several months. finally something good from there.

even better then last year september.

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Pond5 / Re: Deleted videos
« on: October 20, 2020, 03:22 »
I just noticed Pond5 removed 1300 video clips from my portfolio. Anyone else have this happen to them?

to be honest I dont know exact number of my videos, is it way to find out how much was before?

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300 accepted files was too low, most everyone could get it, but 5000 downloads (even with video files counting as x8 ) is too much, especially in this year.

They should put minimum of 300 downloads for Single App and about 1500-2000 downloads for All Apps.
It's
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150 4,999 downloaded qualifying assets: Choose your one-year complimentary plan by selecting one of these options: Creative Cloud Photography (20GB), Illustrator, InDesign, Premiere Pro, or After Effects.
5,000+ downloaded qualifying assets: Receive one-year complimentary access to Creative Cloud All Apps.
150 downloads is probably easier to reach for most, than 300 accepted new files.

I know, I said that 5000+ is too hard for almost everyone.

300 accepted files in a year is nothing.

Where do you find information about the 300 uploaded files? did you click on the link above?

it was last year bonus program, I just compared it to new bonus.

As I said in my first post here, 300 accepted files was too low criteria, 150 sales is also lowish, but 5000 for all apps is to high.

In my opinion 300 sales for single app and about 2k-ish sales for all app would be much more balanced.


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