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However, the diagram about the earning per agency and year clearly shows that until 2015, the majority of sales come from just two agencies, Shutterstock and Getty/iStock. In 2017 Adobe Stock joins the club. Only in 2016 the earnings are mor evenly distributed. Also the share of the medium and low earners diminishes over the years, again with the exception of 2016. in 2022, the three leading agencies earned more than three quarters of the overall earnings.

If you get to a different result by multiplying earnings per image with files per category, your calculations must be flawed.

I'm not sure I follow your logic. You are referring to 2 splits of earnings: 1) per agecy per year and 2) per range of earnings per file. Ranges of earnings are like ($0-1, $1-7, ...), but files are of all agencies together. They are sliced too differently, in my opinion, and it seems to me that you're trying to use one for conclusions about the other. Can you try to explain again what do you mean?

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Hey folks

We teamed with Steve Heap to explore his earnings in more details than anybody before. The goal was to explore his portfolio 'half-life' over at different agencies, however we also made a deep dive into his best-sellers and their impact on earnings.

Check out a new blogpost "How passive is income from microstock photography" https://xpiksapp.com/blog/passive-income-microstock/

Really curious what do you think about it and if you agree with conclusions

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I can only image the number of crap images that they have to sort out on a daily basis. At least this will keep some of junk and junkies out.

How will it decrease amount of junk coming in? They still need to review images. Submissions are files they send to their microstock account after their review, or they count it differently?

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" we have made the difficult decision to make marketplace submissions a paid service. As of 02/23/2023, only users with an approval rate of 85% or more will be entitled to receive 300 monthly marketplace submissions for free."

All venture companies are pressured to find more ways to deliver returns for investors these days.

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So you are just guessing. I looked into the link you provided and also into wikipedia article on concept search that is linked there, and I do not see any evidence that the search engines at the major microstock sites work that way, except that they may address issues like various forms of the same word (strike vs. striking was given as an example) and sometimes minor misspellings, but the issues with polysemy and synonymy.

I wonder, did you expect to find in the link "Shutterstock uses algorythm XYZ to serve your files (just like ribtoks said)"?

You see, I'm not here to prove something to you. I shared my (engineering) insight, if you specifically do not agree with it, I have nothing against it. Luckily it does not mean it's wrong.

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What happens is that the engine runs a SQL query (or possibly some other query language) against a database, where the relationships between files and keywords is stored in large tables. It is then task of the database management system to access this information as efficiently as possible.

I'm glad you know about SQL or query languages in general, but this is a very generic statement. Of course they have some sort of a database layer and of course they have some sort of query layer on top. But it is exactly untrue to say that when you search in Shutterstock/Adobe search, it just runs a query to a table. Not on this scale and not on this data.

Do you have any shred of evidence that anything like this happens?

Well, as I said, I do not have access to their systems so I cannot say exactly how to they store/index data. However, this part, as I mentioned, is well-researched so I would imagine they use an industry-level solution which I can relatively precisely describe.

If you are interested to read about concepts and search, I'd recomment to start here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compound-term_processing. Note, this is also a bit of generic hand waving in the article, but at least, if you are interested, it will give you a better direction of the search.

As I mentioned, what is not standardized is how they sort outputs of the search results, while storage and indexing more or less is.

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Could you please elaborate ?

Indexing for search is quite more complex than just taking taking all the keywords you entered, creating tens of thousands of "lists" (per each keyword) with all the files that have that keyword and then when customer entered "mangrove forest background", checking if the given file in the in the list of "mangrove", in the list of "forest" and in the list of "background" - then showing it. The way it works in reality is that all of the these keywords are essentially replaced to one of the concepts (in the so-called "concept tree") that agencies search engine understands. Amount of concepts is smaller than amount of the keywords (there're just too many different words, just the first 100 pages of search results contained approximately 49 thousand different keywords, that's a lot). It could be that the concept is exactly equal to the keyword (e.g. "background") or might be that it's not (e.g. keyword is "paris", but the concept is "city").

Except that I don't know the exact implementation details of indexing in each of the agencies, computer science behind it is pretty established so I can guess with relatively high probability how approximately it works. Usually companies do some small tweaks here and there, but their effect is not that big. But it's not the most important factor for you!

What some people don't take into account is ranking in the search results. Search is only how your file can be listed _somewhere_ in the search results. Way more important question is what this place is exactly and how many customers use such search terms (or close to them). e.g. you would not benefit much if your file would be listed in the page 234,750 of the search Pages, even though you rank for the keyword with that many results. This is where each agency is applying it's own ideas (there's no "established" way to do it). And this is what exactly matters. Main optimization must be done for ranking.

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Microstock Services / Re: Any software to embed metadata to .PNG ?
« on: February 10, 2023, 04:54 »
Ok, so Xpiks supports PNG only when I buy Pro or Pro+ license, right ?

Correct. Or when you have a free trial.

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As someone who only typically uses a maximum of 30-35 keywords, I have difficulty wrapping my head around "wasting" keywords. How are you wasting it when it might be relevant?

Yes, I mean if you're trying to use more keywords (closer to 50 allowed). In general search ranking can be quite interesting. e.g. although in agency case we can only observe the results, but we do know from web search that website authority can be dilluted if the website has too many topics (e.g. "keywords") where it does not rank well. I'm speculating here, but don't see any reason why microstock agency would not apply a similar logic.


Especially when I have images on Alamy and SS where I know people found my images through searches like "mangrove forest background", "indian man talking" (where all 3 in isolation are popular keywords) etc.

If customers found your file via "mangrove forest background", it does not mean that happened just because you had a "background", "mangrove" and "forest" keywords. This is simply not exactly how search works.

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It does absolutely no harm and perhaps a lot of good.

I understand your logic and I had the same logic before I started doing more data-backed analysis (one which is published here https://xpiksapp.com/blog/microstock-keywording-analysis/ and another - for unpopular images - prepared for publishing). A small bottom line: probably you already have the keyword "background" in your description, probably you already are using it in the "category" etc. The only thing you are achieving when you add a keyword "background" is that most likely you are wasting 1 keyword. Microstock agencies are smart enough to understand your image is a background nowadays, without you adding an explicit "background" keyword there. What they are not able to understand - concepts like "sad" etc. Also from the ranking perspective using keyowrd "background" is very questionable, judging from the sheer volume. So I would conclude that with high probability it does some harm (waste) and no good at all.

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Microstock Services / Re: Any software to embed metadata to .PNG ?
« on: February 10, 2023, 01:38 »
Xpiks does not support PNG. When I try to add PNG files to Xpiks the window shows "No files added".

Xpiks very much does support PNG, just when you have a license. But you can start a free 14 day trial, try it out, see if you like it and then maybe get a license.

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Microstock Services / Re: Any software to embed metadata to .PNG ?
« on: February 09, 2023, 12:24 »
Hi,

I was looking for a program to add keywords etc to .PNG.

No major tagging software (Stocksubmitter included) seems to cover that need.

Hi

Xpiks supports PNG files, no problem.

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L e a r n    B y    Y o u r s e l f

This is actually not such a great advice. It's like in life - best to learn from the mistakes of others to ramp up faster yourself.

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So are you saying not to include the keyword "background" for a background image so as to not compete with hundreds of millions of images or not make those images at all or just stick it somewhere down after the first 10 or more keywords?

First of all, I would be saying not to create a background image to compete with hundreds of millions of other background images. But if you decide to do so, then yes, using just "background" as one of the first ("most important") keywords is probably not the brightest idea. Depends on your portfolio etc., but on average your chances for ranking for that keyword would be increadibly small

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General Stock Discussion / A modern keywording guide (from Xpiks)
« on: February 08, 2023, 02:40 »
Hi folks

Finally managed to write a detailed keywording blogpost which is taking modern reality into account (AI, data analytics, competition): https://xpiksapp.com/blog/keywording-files-for-microstock/

The typical mistake everybody are doing - batch-editing pictures and considering keywording "boring" directly trumps your sales.

Let me know if you learned anything new from the blogpost

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I remember two contributors who occasionally posted on Shutterstock forums who edited their outdoor scenic landscape landmark photos with spectacular skies and colours without them looking like overdone HDR and those guys were making plenty of good sales every month. Granted I recall one of them had a port of over 40,000 images. But that large photography portfolio combined with his post processing embellishments delivered very rewarding results, at least at that time.

Interesting. Would be wonderful to collect experiences like that to help others. People who do not have 40k portfolios still need to start somewhere and having good pictures is the way to go.

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Hi all

There's a new take on how to sell better using some post-processing with changed skies and added sun: https://xpiksapp.com/blog/sky-replacement-for-microstocks/

Is anybody doing it? If so, very curious how was your experience?

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Hi folks

Alex and me just published a new blogpost about how to start with drone video for microstocks. The blogposts discusses everything from selecting a drone and passing exam to post-processing workflow and sales statistics.

https://xpiksapp.com/blog/drone-video-for-microstocks/

What do you think about drone footage in general? Did you try it or wanted to try? Really curious of your experience!

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Hey folks

I was wondering if anybody is working with lesser known video agencies, as described here: https://xpiksapp.com/blog/best-microstocks-to-sell-video/

Here are just a few:
  • Dissolve
  • KEYCUTstock
  • Gallerist
  • Artgrid
  • Motion Array
  • Raw Film
  • Film Supply
  • mediaCastpro

Of course, people are commenting on Shutterstock, Adobe etc. But do you have any experience with those? If so, how did it go?

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Uploading Vectors using JPG data
« on: October 25, 2022, 04:53 »

Too bad, CS3 doesn't import data when I open a JPG and convert it to an EPS, so I have to do all of that manually. I suppose I can cut and paste. As always I'm looking for the easiest way to do things, not the longest and most complicated.

The software I use doesn't embed data into EPS files.

Just noting, if you save files in Xpiks, it will embed metadata both to EPS and JPG (preview).

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Therefore, you can not spend any time on tags, their analysis, you can load without tags at all.

It would be extremely interesting if you are willing to do this experiment: always add a minimum amount of keywords (7) to your artworks and report you sales (or the absence of those) in a year.

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Someone who wants an image, if they are at all intelligent, will find words that describe what they want.

Have you ever searched for an image to buy yourself? I can tell you that it's hard to find what you want, because frequently you want to illustrate a concept. It was never the case for me, that I knew I need something like is used to generate DALLE images "two men on horses on the moon surface in the Salvador Dali style". I search for a few vague concepts and then from search results that look somewhat plausible get an idea how to find similar things. So in my opinion your argument is not really applicable to customers. For agencies themselves - hard to know.

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how many people will be looking for single keywords like 'background, white,nature,beautiful'?  and subjective values like 'beautiful' really give little information (compared to 'ugly') what would more interesting (but explosive) would be 2-3 words combos: eg "white backround", "green nature"

I'll answer to this first. Microstock companies would go out of business if they would only return search results that have keywords that people searched for. Internally they have built their own dictionaries of "concepts" from real life. Like "friendship", "togetherness" etc. and how they are connected to other words. Your keywording just connects your image/video/etc. to the concepts known to microstocks. Then they do the same for what customer searches for - translating to the concepts that they "know" internally. And then by the match of two and also including few dozens of other sales factors (e.g. "frequently brought together" products) they show search results. So it's OK if your keywords "white background" and "green nature" do not describe something exactly what the customer searches. The artwork might still be in the search results based on concept similarity (or proximity).

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Also do you think it is better to target only low or high competition keywords for an image or a portfolio or to mix them either for images or for the portfolio. For example if you go the low competition route, is it better to leave high competition words out entirely?

I think it depends on your content. If you have something that you think will have a high selling potential and is competitive enough, I'd target it to the higher competition keywords. Also since it's possible to amend keywords, you might take tiered approach to keywording. First achieve some success with low-competition and then update keywording. Sure, that's a hassle, but then it might be a turning point from sales perspective. For sure something to experiment with.

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