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I feel like I did a dumb thing uploading to PD just so they could contribute to price erosion and accelerate that "race to the bottom".

Um... yes, you did, but many others did as well, so don't feel too bad.

527
I won't be leaving, as I sell well at 123RF and I won't be seeing a cut.  

But I actually agree with the sentiment of the original post here, as well as replies who say everyone must make his/her own decision.

If a partner changed the terms of a deal on me, I would have every right to leave.  If I feel I'm being negatively impacted, I would say so, and if I end up being ignored, I would leave.  I would be a fool not to.  

We all should respect every individual's right to make decisions in his or her best interest.  If I were in the shoes of someone upset at the new terms, I would want to leave.  And if you were in my shoes, retaining your rate or even seeing a possible increase, you would want to stay.

The thing I have a hard time respecting is whining.  Or a victim mentality... taking abuse and sticking around for more.  By all means, make noise and try to get the other party to see your side, but if that ultimately doesn't work, you have to make a decision and live with it.  You're no one's slave.

528
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I keep an open TextEdit file that contains the separated keywords for every picture I've done for the past several years.  When processing a new image, I go to the TextEdit file, do a search on the main term for the new image, and try to find something similar from my collection.  I copy and paste that similarly-themed set, but make a point to replace irrelevant ones and add new relevant terms for the new image. 

Do you use something like Lightroom or Aperture? I do the same thing but simply search in the database in Lightroom for a similar image (if I've taken one) and then sync the two images (old and new one) to update keywords, title and description.

Steve

I do it all in Photoshop.  The downside is I can't do the automatic sync which would save me a ton of work, but it forces me to enter unique titles and descriptions, in addition to the unique set of keywords I edited, which ultimately should distinguish my pics from each other and prevent cannibalism.

529
honestly I dont understand why you guys come here with non fundamented stuff when there isnt a positive argument to talk about.. BUT yes can make them look pretty, perhaps you will get somekind of reward, seriously dont blame the agencies/contributors

Luis, it is well known that some of us were directly contacted by one of the big players and told that there were certain small players we contributed to that were undercutting their business.  Agree with that argument or not, it has happened, and it is a real concern that we all have to keep in mind.  The older, big players ARE feeling threatened by the newer, small players.  And if you support the new agencies offering lower prices and commissions, you are helping to drive business away from the older agencies that you also support.  At some point you have to ask yourself if that is smart business.

530
123RF / Re: 123, is it worth it, second time around?
« on: February 16, 2012, 13:13 »
^^^Please, before you go on, wipe clean the brownish smears you have around your nose and mouth...thank you! ;)

I knew it would come across that way when I was done typing it, but what can I say, it's all true... at least for me.

I'm probably being a bit more vocal in support than I would normally be... after all, 123RF is just about 6% of my overall earnings... but I think they've been slammed mercilessly here, and they've always done right by me and felt I had to stick up for them.

Bottom line... if anyone don't like the new rules, you don't have to play in their game.  No one would blame you for walking away.  But if you continue to play and think the rules are unfair, you are part of the problem.

531
/\ Amen, brother!

I couldn't have said it better myself.  (and apparently, I really couldn't... this was the point I tried to make, but just ended up getting some peoples' panties in a bunch.)

532
General Stock Discussion / Re: Number of Keywords on SS
« on: February 16, 2012, 12:29 »
Do you others agree on that? Some say you get punished in search results with 50 keywords...

Hogwash.  Where is the evidence of this?

533
To make things worse people join these suspicious sites which undercut pricing and commissions from other established agencies, making room for the recent actions from Fotolia to reduce the commission of several members that submitted to those sites.

+1

This is the real problem. 

534
For keywording, I keep an open TextEdit file that contains the separated keywords for every picture I've done for the past several years.  When processing a new image, I go to the TextEdit file, do a search on the main term for the new image, and try to find something similar from my collection.  I copy and paste that similarly-themed set, but make a point to replace irrelevant ones and add new relevant terms for the new image.  This way, I start with a base of core words but add enough unique (and this is important: accurate!) ones to make sure the new image hits all the main words but differs enough from others in my port so I'm not cannibalizing myself.

535
123RF / Re: 123, is it worth it, second time around?
« on: February 16, 2012, 12:18 »
I may be a dissenter here, but I am happy with 123RF.  Of course, this is easy for me to say, since I'll either stay at my current commission rate or see a bump up in 2013, but I think if you compare their newly announced rates to the other agencies, I think you'll still find them to be fair.

Their uploading system is incredibly easy, I find their reviews to be very fair, and the increasing earnings make 123RF one of my favorites.

536
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Sales in iStock
« on: February 16, 2012, 12:14 »
I hate to say it, but I am considering starting to upload again to iStock.  The recent fury over changes and declining sales had convinced me to stop a while back.

But since relatively few contributors of note have pulled their ports to cause iStock any real pain, and since I've seen a significant boost in earnings over the past few weeks, I think I may start sending them stuff again... that is, if I can bear the painful uploading process.

Anyone want to talk me out of it? 

537
General Stock Discussion / Re: How things change
« on: February 16, 2012, 12:00 »
I'll play, since I already have the numbers handy in my spreadsheet...

2012 vs. 2011: up 53.2% (2012 projection based on current daily rate of growth)
2011 vs. 2010: up 100.0%
2010 vs. 2009: up 166.9%

On the one hand, it looks like my growth is slowing, but on the other hand, this the increase in income is consistent and exactly what I expect to see.  Every new image I upload today delivers the same RPI that newly uploaded images in past years delivered... and on average my RPI for my total port has held steady.  But since I upload at a fairly steady rate, my port size no longer doubles, but goes up by a smaller and smaller percent each year relative to the total. 

538

To recap you will be expanding your operations department threefold "At Our Expense"!  Soon we will be seeing job postings bragging about stellar company benefit packages while we suffer the consequences.

I do not know about the rest of this bunch but I am sick to the bones at seeing others benefit at my expense. http://www.microstockgroup.com/shutterstock-com/day-in-the-life-jon-oringer-wsj-slideshow/

Our costs continue to rise, the companies are doing well, they are hiring and yet our standard of living continues to deteriorate.

Pathetic and dispicable!


So it has finally happened.  The "Occupy Wall Street" mentality has officially set up camp outside the walls of "Big Microstock."

539
Will the strategy work?  Time will tell, but as a business person, you have to see there is logic in it.


seriously.. why havent you answered to my "questions".. why it is FAIR what 123RF is doing? name me the agencies to blame


Edited.  No point.

This answer is better: http://kotaku.com/358523/someone-is-wrong-on-the-internet

540
123RF won't come out and say this, but their restructuring sends a clear message:

They want MORE pictures from contributors who will earn at least 5,000 "credits" this year.  If you're in this camp, you have the incentive to keep uploading to 123RF.

They want FEWER pictures from contributors who will earn fewer than 5,000 "credits" this year.  If you're in this camp, you've been discouraged from uploading.  (Even Alex must know that the "work harder" message is unrealistic for most in this group.)

The thing 123RF will lose are the niche contributors who specialize in under-covered topics that are nonetheless needed by a minority of buyers.  

But what 123RF will gain is a mix of pictures that tilts more toward the highly marketable side.  If buyers have a better experience at 123RF because the perception is that more of its images are winners, then that could give it a competitive boost.

Will the strategy work?  Time will tell, but as a business person, you have to see there is logic in it.




 

541
Stockmarketer, the paradox here is that the ones that are really everywhere and feeding lowest price agencies are the ones with the biggest portfolios and the ones that will benefit more from this RC system.

Duh.  People who are REALLY good at microstock are the contributors that agencies REALLY want.  If you were starting a new agency, or managing an established agency, you would want to make sure you attract and retain as much of the heavy hitters as possible.  Do you blame them?

The result is that 123RF gives an increase to the big portfolios that are helping the most competing agencies. And cuts the small ones that may o may not be contributing to this race and wanted only to upload to fair agencies.

"Want only to upload to fair agencies?"  The way I see it, the bulk of microstock artists will jump on board any new player in the market in the desperate hope of increasing their overall income, no matter what the commissions and image prices are.  Yesterday people were falling over themselves to get into Lori.ru without even knowing what the commission structure was.

Every agency knows it needs two things:

1. Bulk -  a high number of images for good selection and bragging rights.  It's easy to get this... just open your doors and every wannabe microstocker will flood you with his/her stuff, no matter how low your rates are.

2. High sellers  -  the images that buyers actually want.  It's trickier to get this... you have to make sure you have a tiered system that rewards the Yuris (the world's top 100 or so microstock artists), since these folks will deliver most of your revenue.

The recent moves of IS, FT and now 123 shows that they understand this is the formula they need to be competitive. 

(And you can try to debate this by saying IS and FT are going down the tubes because YOUR earnings are down there... but some of the top sellers on these agencies have been reporting INCREASING earnings, so the truth may be that these agencies' recent changes have been positive for them.)

542
I hate to say it, but if I were running 123RF, I'd probably do the same thing.

Contributors stand in line to supply new sites like Photodune, happily accepting less than 123RF is paying.

WE'RE the ones putting downward pressure on prices and commissions.  WE make it possible for start-ups to enter the market and undercut the established players.

FT, IS and now 123RF responded to this cut-throat competition that we helped create in the only manner they could. 

If you were running a business and your suppliers did this to you, happily filling the shelves of your new competitor with the same products for a lower cost, you would take action.

543
Just performed Excel Fu on my numbers...

I project my total 2012 sales should reach Level 6, but just by the skin of my teeth, so I may see an increase of 2%.

544
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Sales in iStock
« on: February 14, 2012, 13:30 »
I have a portfolio of over 1500 on Istock, and 500 on 123RF.   My revenue so far in February on 123RF is $34, beating my revenue from Istock, which is a miserable $33.   

Your mileage may vary.

I have many more images on 123 than I have at iStock.

So far in February I've earned four times as much at iStock vs 123, despite the port size being a small fraction of it.

Yesterday was a very good day at iStock... things have been steadily rising there, at least for me.  From where I sit, all this talk a few weeks ago about iStock being dead in the water seems to have been quite premature.

545
Shutterstock.com / Re: new stuff dont sell?
« on: February 13, 2012, 10:46 »
Yes, new stuff no longer has the boost it used to get, and I think that's a good thing.  It gets people out of the mentality of "Feed the Beast" which had become the crutch of the unimaginative and copycats.

546
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Sales in iStock
« on: February 13, 2012, 10:44 »
Sales pretty good for a Monday morning.  Some first time sellers moving out the door.

+1.  Looking good so far today.  Sean is exclusive, and I am not, so it seems to be good right now for both groups, at least from where we sit.

547
Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia down for anyone else??
« on: February 13, 2012, 10:22 »
Also seeing it, and I'm guessing that it's also impacting sales today.  My FT sales for this point on a Monday morning are about half what they would typically be.

548
The red arrow is gone from SS, and it looks to be even from last month now.

Since it had only been down by 0.04 points, maybe my 10 helped after all?

549
That doesn't seem right.

I just realized I hadn't yet voted this month, so I went in and entered a 10 for SS.  I don't know if my vote is enough to move the needle... I haven't seen an uptick for SS yet... does it take time to count your vote toward the total tally?

550
It's not quantity that counts but quality. Quality trumps quantity every time. The contributors who will survive are the ones who produce the best images in their subject matter, not the most images.

I say neither quantity nor quality are ultimately that important.

Having a huge port isn't going to make buyers choose your stuff.  And being technically the best at what you do isn't going to cut it either.  Face it... there are thousands of contributors whose skills are just as good or better than yours.

Instead, there are two qualities that will sell your pics today, and they're of equal importance:

1. Images that buyers need.  You can have a giant port, but if today's customers don't need them, you don't see sales.  On the contrary, you can have a small port, and if those images are in great demand, you'll have sales through the roof.  

2. Images that stand out.  You can be an award-winning photographer or illustrator, but in a market where quality is in over-supply, all it does is get you in the door.  It won't make buyers click on your stuff.  You need images that are unlike anything else out there.  Quality won't be what gives you the edge.  A unique style or perspective on an in-demand subject is key.

What do I know?  Here's an anecdote.  I just checked in at a registration desk... I won't tell you where... but staring me in the face was a giant poster of one of my pics.  I don't have a huge port, so the size of my collection didn't sell that image.  And the pic itself isn't technically anything special.  It sold because it did an effective job of communicating the unique message this venue had to convey, and there are no other images like it available anywhere.  That image owns the market for its subject, and I'll be the first to say it's not very good.

If you keep blindly racing to upload more stuff than the next guy, or being anal about details with the goal of technical perfection, your sales will continue to plummet.  For success these days, you must be two things, and nothing else really matters: be in demand, and be different.

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