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« on: April 16, 2024, 04:05 »
I tried wirestock a couple of years ago,after 2-3 months I deleted everything and closed the account,and judging by the gains I see from those who use it I have done well.
577
« on: April 16, 2024, 03:57 »
Looks like I earned 7.54 after "washington" deductions.
A few more months waiting for a payout.
Must be the lowest ever.
Washington is where they probably have their bank account,that's where all these refunds end up!
578
« on: April 16, 2024, 03:46 »
interesting,too bad my Adobe all apps plan has expired.
579
« on: April 15, 2024, 16:59 »
@Wilm of course if the number of downloads remains more or less constant at this point an RPD is an excellent reference,from here I now understand your concern. I could write you my RPD on Adobe but my situation is completely different,because my RPD is going up but more importantly I more than doubled the number of sales between 2022 and 2023 and tripled my earnings,so I don't have a constant number of downloads like you and therefore my RPD doesn't matter as much. I had read that you are losing inspiration somehow,that's maybe even why you're not uploading,music helps me a lot in this,and I always try to look up because if I start looking down I get dizzy  or more simply,it's better not to think about the years that are passing and that we are getting older and all the rest,so much is of little use. but anyway for you this is just a hobby,I aim for something more,I know I still have a lot of work to do and it will take a few more years but I will make it. thank you for your reply!
580
« on: April 15, 2024, 13:54 »
For countless years downloads weren't below 0,38. This is what came in this afternoon - those 0,34 are becoming more and more...
I recently saw videos for 10 USD and images for 1.65 USD,my RPD on Adobe goes up,if you don't upload Wilm this is the result.
if I were you I would take advantage of your advantageous position,go back to uploading at least 30 contents a month,any type of content and you will see how everything goes back uphill,if you no longer upload anything the system starts to put you aside.
I am in a more disadvantaged position than you,I produce much more than you but I collect less than you,because you started before me,but I know that in a couple of years I will start to harvest the fruits of my work,just as I am now reaping the fruits of what I produced a year ago and more.
this in my opinion is one of the things that has changed a lot in recent years,as time passes we need more and more time to see the results of our work.
Why should the RPD go down, if I don't upload? If the number of downloads would go down, I would agree. But the RPD has nothing to do with it.
because maybe you make more sales and most likely you also make higher sales? but please satisfy my curiosity,are you telling me that even if you don't upload your download numbers remains unchanged?If so,how long has it been since you uploaded? if I may ask of course.
581
« on: April 15, 2024, 11:01 »
For countless years downloads weren't below 0,38. This is what came in this afternoon - those 0,34 are becoming more and more...
I recently saw videos for 10 USD and images for 1.65 USD,my RPD on Adobe goes up,if you don't upload Wilm this is the result. if I were you I would take advantage of your advantageous position,go back to uploading at least 30 contents a month,any type of content and you will see how everything goes back uphill,if you no longer upload anything the system starts to put you aside. I am in a more disadvantaged position than you,I produce much more than you but I collect less than you,because you started before me,but I know that in a couple of years I will start to harvest the fruits of my work,just as I am now reaping the fruits of what I produced a year ago and more. this in my opinion is one of the things that has changed a lot in recent years,as time passes we need more and more time to see the results of our work.
582
« on: April 15, 2024, 05:07 »
today if you want to do microstock as a hobby and earn 100 usd a month you can do it,it can be a nice hobby.
if you want to earn real money today with microstock,it's very difficult,because you have to do it full time,you have to be efficient and productive and very creative and original,and first of all you must like this job because otherwise it is impossible.
AI doesn't change anything and indeed helps,AI is not an enemy,but a friend because it can help you if you know how to use it in your work.
real content is always useful,the fact is that in my opinion many have used the excuse of AI for give up,because the truth is that today work in the microstock is very difficult and not for everyone,if you want to make real money.
all this regarding the microstock,I'm not talking about the use of AI in other sectors,that's another matter.
583
« on: April 15, 2024, 04:38 »
@Pete if you throw a stone into the ocean you add volume to the water so the level rises,in an imperceptible way but it rises,if you do it in a bucket of water you can notice the difference.
even your cabinets and cupboards change,everything changes with time everything is constantly changing,the universe is also continually expanding.
but apart from these physics-related discussions,in my opinion however,if millions of images are removed it changes,and everyone notices it.
but anyway Pete,it's a purely theoretical discussion,because it isn't applied in reality anyway.
as far as I'm concerned I prefer to sell only on Adobe,I think it's the best thing to do.
584
« on: April 14, 2024, 05:31 »
0  my sales are increasing,I continue to sell all kind of content,even simple illustrations that can easily be created with AI adding any kind of content is for sure a good idea!  I start work now which in Italy is 12.50 on Sunday and I will finish tonight at midnight or probably even 1 or 2am AI can't beat me!
585
« on: April 14, 2024, 03:02 »
I would say time is the biggest factor against making a lot of money at microstock. I have no idea of the actual half life of images, but in general with the same port you will make less money every year from a combination of more competition (both from other artists and thieves and now AI) plus the sites taking a bigger cut either by changing the terms, selling their own material, or through backdoor accounting shenanigans or just lower costs - although inflation seems to make everything more expensive, it doesn't seem to be the case for microstock which keeps getting cheaper either in terms of actual cost or better license deals or more subs for the same amount or all you can eat buffets.
So, if you want to make $ at this you are more likely to do that by working now rather than waiting a while when looking back these will be the good old days. It is sort of like planting a tree, the best time to do it is 10 years ago (or for microstock 15 years ago), but the next best time is now.
in my opinion this is true for all agencies except Adobe Stock. I advise everyone to forget about agencies like Istock or SS. first of all why would I ever sell content for 10c? or video at 0.25c? Why? just because I can sometimes sell an image on SS for $50 doesn't mean I have to give away my content like that. on Istock our entire portfolios are given away for nothing...low resolution,refund... but what . is that supposed to mean?but our contents are downloaded anyway and little or nothing ends up in our pockets,not even vectors are paid all 20% as promised,many are at 15% enough is enough,we simply need to stop giving our content to these agencies if we want to hope that things will start to change. the only agency accessible to all that has always shown us that it can improve the current condition of microstock is Adobe Stock. we must try to support this agency,all the others were fine before in the past,today not anymore,now they are just using us. I wouldn't worry about AI especially if you're a photographer,if you're an illustrator it's a little different,but equally you don't need to worry about AI. I was talking to photographer friends who have been running photographic contests since 20 years and are earning more since AI has become accessible,the demand for real content is increasing from what I know. the problem here is us,who see 300usd on Istock and we say"I have wow good month on Istock!" then let's go and see and we have sold 700 licenses very probably for this amount,but we still think it was a good month because we only see the $300 prices continue to fall because we continue to settle for the crumbs they throw at us. I still have my active port on SS but by the end of the year I will probably deactivate it,so then if someone wants to download my content they have to do it on Adobe Stock because they won't find it anywhere else. I firmly believe that if we all do this,things will start to change,but obviously I am also aware that it is a rather unlikely scenario,especially in the immediate future,because those who still earn enough on SS or Istock will continue to want to do it and will continue to look at the $300 instead of the 700 licenses sold to make those $300 the discussion of time on Adobe is important,then however I omitted a detail which is a professional secret,obviously I cannot tell the whole world everything in detail about my work or how I intend to manage my work in the future, but yes,we definitely agree the best time is now,It's always better to keep working than to stop and start again in the future.
586
« on: April 13, 2024, 14:21 »
@Wilm
I just wanted to add this,and sorry if I'm digressing from the main topic:
an RPD down 16% means nothing,are your sales numbers increasing?Overall with the passing of the years,are you earning more on Adobe or not?
put RPD aside because they are also market strategies,more sales at a lower price lead to higher profits.
My sales have been relatively constant since 2020. Before that I had more sales. As I upload very few images (maybe 20 or 30 a year), I can't expect an increase in sales.
My best RPD was in 2015 - 1.37. Currently in 2024 I am at 0.94. In addition, the 1.37 was actually in Euros (which was equivalent to 1.54 USD at that time) and it is now 0.94 USD. If I deduct the exchange fees, that leaves 0.91 USD. However, I have not included these because otherwise the PRD would not be comparable with that of the contributors, who have always been paid in USD. Nevertheless, it is actually the case that I have a personally loss of 41% in 2024 compared to 2015 as far as the RPD alone is concerned. It doesn't look any better for the other agencies.
To answer your question specifically and briefly: My income at AS has fallen due to the lower RPD while sales figures have remained relatively constant since 2020.
Wilm,thanks for the reply!
587
« on: April 13, 2024, 14:12 »
this was my best rank ever,when my portfolio is highlighted I sell quite well,my goal is to have at least more than 1000 usd per month from Adobe Stock.
I think it will still take 2-3 years at least to reach this goal,regardless of what I upload,because it is mainly a question of time.
if I stop uploading today and come back in 5 years and start uploading again,in my opinion,I will soon start traveling between 2000 and 3000 ranks every week,because in the meantime 5 years have passed anyway even if I haven't uploaded anything else.
However,this is not convenient to do,because if instead I take advantage of the next 5 years and continue to upload,I will most likely be among the first 1000 at least.
TIME This is one of the most important factor on Adobe Stock,it takes a lot of patience,my portfolio is still young,6 years is not enough!
588
« on: April 12, 2024, 19:06 »
"I remain irrelevant and so do my numbers. 👍 23,200 right at this moment. Which is a sad not, not for myself, but the many others, who are doing worse than I do."
You've been doing stock for quite a while now. If it was important to you, you could create more focused content and have better sales 
Agreed, anyone can move up with planning, attention to what sells, and a bit of work. Like you say, knowing it's possible is a good thing.
In my case, Adobe doesn't take editorial. Last I checked I was over 80% Editorial images.
I'll also add, I'm not complaining about my rank or what they do give me. I'm just reporting the numbers. I continue to feel sorrow for people who are doing worse than I do, with my limited, only 1,019 files. I finally put my foot down and passed 1,000 this year. As someone irrelevant I was just adding the number, which is the same today, 23,200th to show the brackets and levels of bottom feeders.
I joined Adobe December 2015. Lifetime is 25,300th. I don't expect that to change much, either way. Maybe down as people are active and work harder. Maybe the same relative rank, as people, stop actively working? Anything I suspect is only a guess. But if 25,300 people are ahead of me, how many are behind? In theory, everyone else. How many contributors are there for Adobe?
If I'm 23,200th, and this week has been pretty low, once again, everyone else is worse off than I am. 100,000 contributors? I'm ahead of 76,800. No brag in that, but wow, I'm terrible, what are they? 
Pete,you may think you're terrible and you're probably less terrible than you think,but aside from your portfolio you have time on your side you started in December 2015 so before many other contributors,even before me,and due to the way Adobe's sales system works you have an advantage. the system show your content longer than others who started in 2020 for example. the number of sales you make depends mainly on how long you have been a contributor,your level and what you have in your portfolio. the point is that you could use this advantage. if we upload the same file at the same time to Adobe Stock you are more likely than me to sell it,because you have the advantage of time,because you started before me. so in short,my advice is upload more,take advantage of this advantage
589
« on: April 12, 2024, 18:36 »
now we should calculate an RPD on Istock on annual basis so we can have a laugh! 
Wanting to get that laugh, or just being curious, I tried to see. But again, just like everything else on Archaic IS platform, obtaining even simplest piece of info is extremely convoluted. I calculated last 3 months
Dec '23: 0.59 Jan '24: 0.44 Feb '24: 0.19 (refunds included)
before giving up. Maybe it would have been easier on Deep Meta, but why can't they have simple Web based interface that lets you get this piece of info with click of mouse; like Adobe portal, just set "From" "To", click and voila: Earning, Downloads.
IMHO this is key reason of IS issues. Whole system set up so poorly: once a month reporting, standalone desktop Deep Meta you have to import statements to, convoluted submission process (managed keywords nonsense, open ticket if you want to update something etc etc) list goes on. No wonder reporting errors are common. They should hire someone with knowledge of modern technology to revamp whole thing, starting with back-end which is from IT perspective likely one of biggest messes you will ever see.
There's a lot to laugh about,after these RPD we can all laugh all the way to the bank!  I don't think they can hire someone with knowledge of modern technology,because they are not even capable of hiring someone who has the slightest experience of well-known creative software such as Photoshop or Illustrator,I can tell you because I know it from personal experience. The only thing Istock is interested in is making money on people's backs,no matter what they have to do or say to make money. and 15% already says everything,we do most of the work and they pocket 85% Istock is a blatant example of modern slavery in all its twisted aspects,I don't want to have anything to do with them anymore.
590
« on: April 12, 2024, 13:30 »
Unfortunately, I - and other contributors - have noticed that RPD is also declining at AS. In my case, it's down 16% compared to one or two years ago. It has to be said clearly that AS still has the greatest fairness among the larger agencies. But they also operate for their own benefit - not ours.
No matter how you do it, there is always a catch.
RPD is dropping? Now I have to look. I generally only watch income. Too bad it's so difficult to extract historical data from AS.
2023 RPD $.97 (more income every year, than the year before) 2022 RPD $.97 2021 RPD $.98 2020 RPD $.76
2024 RPD $.77 but it's only April. I'll give it some time. The holiday season at the end of the year is my best time.
Yep!that's exactly what I meant!  an RPD could only make sense by assuming that the total number of sales is always the same,but this is not the case. now we should calculate an RPD on Istock on annual basis so we can have a laugh!  my RPD on Istock: 2019 RPD 0,50 usd 2020 RPD 0,43 usd 2021 RPD 0,56 usd 2022 RPD 0,47 usd 2019 was the year in which I earned the most,much,much more than the following years,so RPD means nothing.
591
« on: April 12, 2024, 10:32 »
@Wilm
I just wanted to add this,and sorry if I'm digressing from the main topic:
an RPD down 16% means nothing,are your sales numbers increasing?Overall with the passing of the years,are you earning more on Adobe or not?
put RPD aside because they are also market strategies,more sales at a lower price lead to higher profits.
592
« on: April 12, 2024, 06:00 »
more than happy to not have to see this rubbish anymore! 
It's our fault that we continue to provide content to these agencies,like Istock or SS.
I stopped thinking about money in the short term,and I decided almost a year ago to only support Adobe which is the only honest agency,and which in my opinion could also raise the prices of content to customers,which unfortunately cannot do because it has to remain competitive with these other large agencies like Istock,and it's our fault because we continue to give content to these thieves.
I'm tired of this nonsense,15% and 10c on the other side and clip pack sales of 0.25c yes of course on SS you can also sell a video for 100usd or more but you have to be extremely lucky,but a business cannot be founded on luck.
anyway next month will be better (maybe) and many will forget all this until the next theft,and in the meantime you will continue to fill the bellies of these people who do not have the slightest respect for people and their work.
all this is our fault,the microstock has changed,maybe it's time for us to change too!
Since I've been working only with Adobe Stock,I've had a better and more peaceful life,and I am more focused and creative,I remember when I worked for Istock,with all their stupid and antiquated systems from indexing to statements and all the rest,they were eating my soul! 
Basically, I agree with you.
Unfortunately, I - and other contributors - have noticed that RPD is also declining at AS. In my case, it's down 16% compared to one or two years ago. It has to be said clearly that AS still has the greatest fairness among the larger agencies. But they also operate for their own benefit - not ours.
Concentrating exclusively on AS is certainly a good way to counteract price dumping. But there is also a big risk. If there is a significant change in the AS search algorithm, sales can drop dramatically from one day to the next. That's why I've always avoided being dependent on a single agency.
No matter how you do it, there is always a catch.
when I started in microstock I worked with several agencies and I still have ports open in some agencies,but simply for about a year I have only been uploading to Adobe. since I started working only on Adobe my sales have improved,in 2023 I earned 300% more on Adobe than in 2022 in terms of money,and that's because I have more time to research what's missing on Adobe and I've found a huge niche where I have virtually no competition,and I no longer have that frenetic attitude of having to think about all these agencies so I am more relaxed and focused,take care of the descriptions and all the possible details that are not possible when you have to think about too many agencies,because you have to work more schematically and quickly,and then I believe it is important to work with those who treat me fairly. I don't think there can be a change in the search algorithm,Adobe's sales system works differently from all other agencies,from what I understand,it is done in such a way that all active contributors sell,and over time they sell more depending on how much and what you produce. the point in my opinion is simple,in the current state of affairs if Adobe sinks,the microstock is finished. agencies like Istock are based on the fact that contributors try to get money where they can,and therefore exploit us,because they still receive content from contributors. the problem is that Adobe must remain competitive with the other large agencies,and the truth in my opinion is that if RPD drops on Adobe,it's our fault because we help the competition. by continuing to support agencies like Istock we end up shooting ourselves in the foot. the problem is that we need money,and this mania of ours to have everything possible will end up ruining us,whether we like it or not,I am firmly convinced that the fault of the current state of things of microstock is ours,because we are the ones who allow it,we are the microstock,agencies like Istock are nothing without us. of course Adobe thinks about its own interests,and I'm happy about it,because if Adobe Stock grows as an agency we contributors are growing too. Having said this,I am the first hypocrite of all,because I still have my active port on SS because unfortunately I need the money,but at least I have achieved the decency to no longer upload!
593
« on: April 11, 2024, 04:59 »
more than happy to not have to see this rubbish anymore!  It's our fault that we continue to provide content to these agencies,like Istock or SS. I stopped thinking about money in the short term,and I decided almost a year ago to only support Adobe which is the only honest agency,and which in my opinion could also raise the prices of content to customers,which unfortunately cannot do because it has to remain competitive with these other large agencies like Istock,and it's our fault because we continue to give content to these thieves. I'm tired of this nonsense,15% and 10c on the other side and clip pack sales of 0.25c yes of course on SS you can also sell a video for 100usd or more but you have to be extremely lucky,but a business cannot be founded on luck. anyway next month will be better (maybe) and many will forget all this until the next theft,and in the meantime you will continue to fill the bellies of these people who do not have the slightest respect for people and their work. all this is our fault,the microstock has changed,maybe it's time for us to change too! Since I've been working only with Adobe Stock,I've had a better and more peaceful life,and I am more focused and creative,I remember when I worked for Istock,with all their stupid and antiquated systems from indexing to statements and all the rest,they were eating my soul!
594
« on: April 10, 2024, 12:40 »
I am in several private groups where people share weekly ranks. So we have a good baseline. But I only know one person in the top 100 and he is no longer a single artists, but has a team.
But here we had several people sharing very high ranks. Of course you have to believe them, but they are all old timers.
Like I said, I don't need totally exact data. Just to know that it is possible.
entering the top 100 as a single artist is possible,take a lot of time,around 10 years minimum,and also luck in various aspects in addition to hard and constant work and skill,but it is also possible as a single artist,although we can safely say that for most contributors it is impossible. I have updates from contributors with huge portfolios who have been in the microstock for more than 10 years,from what I see in the March results the trend is this: all agencies are down,from 30% to 50% less,all except Adobe which ranges from stable for some up to 50% more for me March 2024 was only 10% more than March 2023 on Adobe,while instead January 40% more and February 50% more. for this month I expect 40-50% more from how it is going so far
595
« on: April 10, 2024, 02:54 »
yep!A really poor Monday,better Tuesday,last week pretty good,not great but good.
I'm also getting more rejections than usual lately,on all types of content,maybe just bad luck.
I have also seen that some contributors use famous brands in the description of AI content,for example,you can't generate with AI a pair of shoes and write "Nike" in the description,I don't want to point the finger at anyone,I don't think anyone who acts in this way will have a long life on Adobe Stock,sooner or later Adobe will find out and block them.
596
« on: April 05, 2024, 06:56 »
Top 100 weekly, top 100 lifetime, less than 10k.
wow this is great! How long have you been an Adobe Stock contributor,if I may ask?
I started submitting in 2016.
Thank you,therefore for less than 10 years and already among the top 100 with less than 10k contents,it's incredible!  It's also very hard to believe,but ok anything can be!
597
« on: April 04, 2024, 05:45 »
On my way back down
pos 2240
you go down and I go up but I'm always far from you rank,even though I have more content than you,I've been on Adobe Stock for much less time than you.
I don't believe it is the time factor, which is relevant to be pushed up by Adobe. I think it is rather a well balanced mix of real photos and AI images that is promoted by Adobe.
A good example is the following portfolio (although he steals a lot of ideas from other contributors) https://stock.adobe.com/de/contributor/201195540/igor-link
but regardless of whether your portfolio is promoted or not,over time sales increase,so time remains the most important factor,as it should be. a portfolio of 5000 contents active since 2010 earns more than a portfolio of 20,000 contents active since 2020,assuming that neither portfolio is promoted by Adobe.
598
« on: April 03, 2024, 11:42 »
On my way back down
pos 2240
you go down and I go up  but I'm always far from you rank,even though I have more content than you,I've been on Adobe Stock for much less time than you.
599
« on: April 03, 2024, 11:35 »
Top 100 weekly, top 100 lifetime, less than 10k.
wow this is great!  How long have you been an Adobe Stock contributor,if I may ask?
600
« on: April 03, 2024, 11:29 »
@HalfFull
It doesn't seem nasty,it's fully understandable.
I agree,in fact I learned everything I know here on microstockgroup and on the former SS forum,and online from other sources.
I'm not an expert,I've only been in microstock for 6 years,I like to help as little as I can,but I always try to stay generic.
The fact is that for many microstock is not the main source of income so they have no problem sharing.
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