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« on: July 06, 2020, 17:19 »
I don't know how the search engine algorithm at P5 works, but why not include the exact location?
It's more or less the only way to get generic shots of landscapes, nature or related topics sold.
For the reason above, i dont know how it affects searches. If for example ive got a feature thats common in several places, what i dont want to happen is it ONLY shows in searches for the specific place its tagged as from. I dont know how the algorithm works hence asking.
602
« on: July 05, 2020, 06:46 »
Couldn't find the answer to this on their FAQ in full...
But what exactly do the location country and city fields do regarding search?
There doesn't seem to be any search filter option for either customer end for example.
A quick example, if ive got a generic shot of a cave (or anything) would adding the location country mean it ONLY turns up in searches or filters involving that country and if so, would labeling as "not relevant" be more useful?
The flip side is otherwise does the opposite happen, its prioritised searching for that country but not de-ranked if they dont?
603
« on: July 02, 2020, 05:46 »
My June earnings went up a little but thats because my earnings crashed the 2 previous months completely (i have mainly outdoor/travel related content).
Number of downloads returned to roughly normal after 3 months or a huge decline and this masked the huge RPD drop.
Calculated the earnings under the old tier and for the same month im down hundreds of dollars.
604
« on: July 01, 2020, 09:49 »
OK so the month is over meaning enough actual data to do a fair comparison... For me, royalty per image is down 30% and video over 40%!  RPD dropped from a lifetime average of $0.76 for images to $0.53 and video down from $23.05 to $13.41 This is despite the last 12 months generally doing better than my 10 year lifetime average on there. Im level 5 images and level 3 video. The 5% drop (30% to 25%) for video is one thing but overall the introduction of insanely cheap subscription packages and the last 2 weeks having a ton of sub $1 sales dragged that down further. So looks like the % cuts for video arent the worst part - the new almost free packages are having more of an effect (this started in May).
605
« on: July 01, 2020, 09:37 »
Its possible the client had already bought it and redownloaded it (which is in the terms and conditions).
606
« on: July 01, 2020, 09:31 »
Everyone is in the same boat. Nobody can do without the money, but Shutterstock is pulling the whole industry down. It's imperative, especially for video, that we get our files onto Pond5 and off SS.
Pond5 is a major player in video licensing. If you go exclusive, they get your files back onto Adobe and onto Vimeo stock. You get 60% of revenue. If you do the maths, you realise that you don't lose much from an Adobe perspective. It's earnings comparable.
Quite simply no its not. P5 does not sell as much full stop. Most of us ALREADY have our all files on P5 and have done for many years. non exclusive we get 40% not 60% but that in no way makes up for the low sales. You don't have to believe me, look at the monthly survey graph on this very site - P5 is one of those tiny lines right down the bottom amongst such giants as DT and 123RF in terms of earnings. The P5 forum isnt exactly full of people praising how well sales have taken off and how well exclusive is doing for them either. If a site by volume sells only about 10% per month vs another site than a 60 to 40% difference in commission is negligible and makes almost zero difference to the final totals. The maths for me (and looking at the graphs, others) is very simply. Pulling videos off SS and AS to go P5 only will lose us many hundreds of dollars per month in lost revenue. Thats the brutal reality here. So you're telling me it's much better to keep supporting SS and kill the whole industry because other agencies will have to follow, make a few hundred bucks the next couple of months until it gets Im not convinced you reside in the real world. You havent explained how if, having guaranteed $0.00 income from Shutterstock you're supposed to buy anything with that? Are there landlords im unaware of that accept principle in lieu of rent money? Do supermarkets have an option to pay with good will instead of money? If you pull a portfolio you are guaranteeing an in come of 0. Nothing. No money. No payout. Nothing goes into the bank. If you're also deluded enough to think SS will care (or even notice) an absolutely miniscule number of contributors pulling an utterly insignificant amount of media off the site then by all means go ahead. The problem is you think you matter or are somehow important to them. You're not. None of us are. You can do all you want but it isnt going to change their policy which has been costed, planned and modelled. So its your choice whether you want to accept a guarantee of no money and buy food with it or settle for a not-ideal but some money instead. But to think anything will change due to actions is utterly deluded.
607
« on: July 01, 2020, 06:16 »
BTW Alamy have great system where you see all keywords at once and just click on word and it's highlighted and added to important keyword. Please save contributors from infinite scrolling!
At least with Adobe, if you put them in order prior to upload in the metadata they upload in that order and you dont need to spend extra time clicking them in the submission window. With alamy i have to add an extra step to click the supertags after upload regardless. If you're submitting a lot of images at once, this takes quite a bit of time.
608
« on: July 01, 2020, 04:36 »
Im guessing this thread wasnt meant to be a UI suggestion one but here goes anyway....
Please look at maybe introducing a keyword type search in catalogue manager. This would allow us to easily add images to collections related to it which currently has to be done manually, page by page, manually looking at and selecting relevant images and videos and clicking add. Currently the ONLY search can find is by image ID.
It makes collection creating too time consuming.
Also please add a way to batch edit keywords. Handy for when idiots like me notice glaring typos that got through QA completely changing the words you intended to be present! (or in my case, copy/pasted the wrong ones to a whole batch recently...)
609
« on: June 28, 2020, 06:41 »
And why you think that is? take a wild guess!
If you keep selling cheap elsewhere and make them famous how on earth can these other fair agencies thrive?
Your argument is blown up immediately by the fact that P5 has never sold more than about 20% in terms of earnings than SS (or others) long before SS slashed its prices. They were selling the same thing for the same price. They just have very limited market share. Take a look at their forum, even people who went exclusive are saying how much its dropped. This is nothing to do with "fair". They simply dont sell much. Which is why pretty much all people who make useful money from microstock host on multiple sites. Different companies have different subscriptions to different sites. If you want to sell to as many as possible you need to be available to as many as possible. Until the changes this month my RPD for a SS video was in line with P5 and AS. The sub dollar crap literally only started this last week. So people that did well with $500 now get $200 to $300 which is still ok and if we drive the price down even more they will make $100. You're still ignoring the fact that at the moment with most people having no work or far less work why they're all so rich they can afford to stop say $800 a month for a guaranteed $0 a month just on principle. If you have plenty of money floating around then great but the reality is most people cant afford, nor is it sensible to cut off a large chunk of monthly income at the moment. You cant pay bills using "principles". For some MS is a hobby, fine, they can afford to make a point. For others its a percentage of their income, might be low, might be high and with the current crisis its not sensible to deliberate cut off a chunk of income for a guaranteed $0. I'm not convinced you actually live in the real world. Maybe you can afford to stop say $1000 a month with no issue to virtue signal. That's fine. But a lot of people simply cannot at the moment.
610
« on: June 27, 2020, 07:23 »
A better idea is to not play games. Delete your images at SS and close your account.
Nice idea but at the moment a lot of people cant afford to ditch a few hundred/thousand dollars a month just to make a point as there's very little work or income elsewhere for photo or video related jobs! And most people *already* have their work elsewhere as well. So a choice of a greatly reduced but still some income vs guaranteed $0 income from SS isnt a choice some people can make currently. SS know this as well - their timing was perfect.
611
« on: June 27, 2020, 06:20 »
Pull out completely from the Facebook platform and move to a self-hosted platform like forum on your own website.
Companies arent going to search 2000 different websites, each with a tiny selection of media to find what they want. They want everything, in one place, for one price. Thats how stock works. And if you want to make a big stock site the prices in hardware,hosting, software development, security, legal and so on are absolutely vast. And when you've done that you still have a platform with less content than any of the competitors, no advertising and no market share. Good luck with that. Microstock works because of bulk. I think, we should notify the news agencies. Especially, the ones who use SS. Why would they care? From their point of view, any change that allows them to get content as cheaply as possible is good. They aren't concerned with the background politics of how its created.
612
« on: June 26, 2020, 19:21 »
They've responded.. Sort of:- https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/100567-043-cents-video-yes-you-are-reading-it-right/?do=findComment&comment=1856233Your video download count looks correct to me. As somebody else pointed out, "Past month" is May. Only "Year to date" includes the current (in progress) month.
As far as the volume of these video downloads over a day or two - I can see that they are from one of our API partners. Customers who purchased these licenses can only use the clips on that platform. They can't save or download them, or re-use them. However, I agree it's odd to see so many on one day.
We've reached out to them to make sure there hasn't been an error. This has happened to a lot of people. It looks like SS is spectacularly unaware of things going on with their own platform and partners. Or theres been a huge security breach. The APIs are horrific.
613
« on: June 26, 2020, 19:17 »
Some cushy custom deals (likely just keeping the old deal) done with the large contributors then.
Divide and rule works. It really does.
614
« on: June 26, 2020, 15:54 »
sold 64 videos yesterday for 84 cents each under 'clip packs'
Congratulations on your journey...all the way to the bottom. Thats why many of us disabled our video portfolios and moved to Pond5 as exclusive contributors. I suggest that you do the same, #BoycottShutterstock #DontFeedTheGreed
Great in theory but P5 sale volume (and earning on the old SS scheme) is roughly 5x less per month for most people. Even exclusive doesnt make up that shortfall. P5 has been dropping a lot over the last year or so.
615
« on: June 26, 2020, 04:55 »
Same here, many video sales, all as "clip packs" all for under $1
What . is this?!
Or has someone worked out yet another API bug to steal content?
616
« on: June 13, 2020, 05:14 »
OK some crunching done.
Total RPD (image plus video) and images only for this year first:-
Jan:- $1.40 total // images = $0.93
Feb:- $1.29 total // images = $0.77
Mar:- $1.49 total // images = $0.80
Apr:- $1.21 total // images = $0.80
May:- $1.07 total // images = $0.73
Jun:- $1.26 total // images = $0.51
For comparison. Total RPDs for everything from other Junes:-
June 2020:- 1.26 total // images = 0.51
June 2019:- 1.66 // images = 0.92
June 2018:- 1.79 // images = 1.27
June 2017:- 1.58 // images = 1.47
Lifetime average total (10 years). $1.04
A few notes, video makes up 10% of my portfolio but 40% of earnings so skews the overall results. June 2020 ive had in addition to usual, one rare way above average video sale which bring the total up, maybe artificially so.
Ive gone back to 2015 but havent found an image RPD anywhere near as low as the 0.51 at all.
June 2020 based on a few hundred sales so the first days few normal price before the cut shouldn't skew too much.
In overall total it maybe worth noting that my monthly income was relatively stable (within 10% a month for ages) UNTIL April this year where it dropped 40%. May dropped a further 20% on that. COVID i guess.
Im level 5 images, level 4 video currently so January is going to massively reduce earnings given how big a percentage video sales make up for me. Old system was top tier earning band.
So for images based on this years averages, im 36% down on earnings per download for images.
617
« on: June 11, 2020, 15:13 »
It looks like the earnings of the big players will not drop that much.
They're going to get hit hard just like the others. For most people selling images, the majority of sales are subs so moving from 0.38 down to an average of 0.2 or 0.12 is going to lose a chunk of money no matter how big you are. The slight increases for the rarely sold other licences are unlikely to cover the huge drop from subs.
618
« on: June 10, 2020, 05:26 »
I think the new review system takes care of the uploading issue anyway!
Just tested with a few editorials (that are elsewhere online already). All 20 rejected 17 seconds after hitting submit on them.
619
« on: June 04, 2020, 21:22 »
People tried giving feedback - they ended up banned or accounts ceased!
Or blocked on twitter. Or blocked on facebook.
Or posted in that 170 page thread they keep deleting posts from. Or the other threads elsewhere in the forum they're ignoring.
They know *exactly* how bad this would be way way ahead of time.
They did, but equally their underhandedness has actually worked out pretty well for them.
Even the people really outraged are complaining about SS taking 85% of royalties (nope, minimum 85% in that tier, probably much more) or people in higher tiers complaining that their income has dropped 50% (nope SS has cleverly bought this in half way through the year, your income will be dropping a lot more over the whole calendar year thanks to that January reset).
All this is far too in the weeds to explain to customers and that's the beauty of it.
Most infuriating thing about this is the dishonesty with regards to the percentage and the (unspeakably cruel) January reset. There's no logical reason for the reset other than masking how much you are actually loosing. There is no reason not to have a rolling 12 month tier other than that.
Now I've actually got some data I think the immediate change to sub and other prices are going to affect peoples income more than the January reset. We focused on the wrong thing. Even before that most people are down to 0.1 to 0.17 or so for a sub. In January, that'll just mean a few more .1 instead of .12s etc. So although the reset makes things worse, the most damaging policy is already with us. 33 sales today. All subs. Average RPD $0.13 from level 5. Most people's income for images is made up majority through subs.
620
« on: June 04, 2020, 13:28 »
People tried giving feedback - they ended up banned or accounts ceased!
Or blocked on twitter. Or blocked on facebook.
Or posted in that 170 page thread they keep deleting posts from. Or the other threads elsewhere in the forum they're ignoring.
They know *exactly* how bad this would be way way ahead of time.
621
« on: June 04, 2020, 13:04 »
Admittedly only 12 hours but so far ive only managed to sell 23 subs for a total sum of $3.06. Last month i'd have earned 8.74 with that.
Giving me an average RPD of $0.13 down from $0.38. Or roughly a 65% decrease in earnings.
And this is level 5.
622
« on: June 04, 2020, 10:35 »
I hadn't realised that even if it is a small part of his holdings it is still the most he's ever sold. I wonder if he is trying to get out as quick as he can without spooking the market.
who is buying on the other end? slowly acquire
It makes sense. In Q4 they're going to report huge growth and RPD. In January it'll be massively better again. They'll spike high.
623
« on: June 04, 2020, 10:31 »
What will happen with Shitterstock when we all stop uploading new stuff? I guess in some months the happy buyers will notice there is not much new stuff and might go elsewere and not extending their monthly packages etc. It might take some time and I hope a lot of contributors will stop uploading new stuff like me but the effect must be there!
Lets be honest,nobody will notice. Their library is huge and they have 100,000 contributors and new ones joining each day. iStock is still somehow around after people didthesame. There will always be people happy for 10c sales and "exposure". Some bigger libraries will also stay after getting better deals.
624
« on: June 04, 2020, 07:27 »
Shutterstock/Istock merger to "compete" with Adobe? We are doomed I tell you. Or it may be that they are seeing a massive slump ahead with Covid. I pretty sure we don't know the full story.
Getty hasn't got a bean to its name its more likely to be Visual China Group
Last time I looked which is a while back SS did have a lot of money sitting in the bank...they could maybe finance Getty's debt. In the world of investment/banking all sorts of bizarre things seem possible.
Last report had $300 million in funds and zero debt.
625
« on: June 04, 2020, 07:25 »
Curious to know what people are getting paid for on demand sales.
Yesterday I got two, $2.75 and $3.28. I am level 4.
I was not expecting that much to be honest, but apart from that it is a disaster...
$2.23 and $2.57 so far. Several of each. Im level 5. (Used to get $2.75)
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