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Shutterstock.com / Re: New EL royalty poll on surveymonkey
« on: February 24, 2016, 15:32 »
Since opting out I had one request for $16. I told them to come back when it's $28+.

May I ask if you got any feedback from SS?

I just had an email telling me that I'm opted out of sensitive (which is not true - I opted out only of EL) and client wants to buy it (sensitive) immediately for the $22 (pfff). Of course I told them to come back when/ if they change their thinking and treating... After 8 years with them I DO expect more respect. What they do* is nothing but a distasteful joke...

* Cost of our living is higher and higer every year, after 8 yrs of supporting the agency I get the new "exciting news" with pricing cut during SS enjoys the new office. They even can't give me clear info if it is SoD or EL.

Yes, I'm mad and disappointed...

A lot of SODs will be sold with an EL license so opting out of ELs effectively opts you out of a lot of higher paying SODs, hence the reason they would need to get in touch with you.   Since ELs are being discounted and SODs are sold by the Enterprise Team for whatever price and terms they want, there is no way of knowing if you would be getting more or less for an EL sold as a SOD, but $22 doesn't look too good for potentially broader licensing rights.   

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No ears I hear you say, at no point in the history of man has it been easier to reach and disturb those with the power, social media has been embraced by all of them and it's a two way process. 

The ones with deaf ears are the defeatist contributors who use this thread to give reasons not to opt out and just carry on being milked like cows and given sour grass to live on.

I say, Opt out if for nothing more than your own dignity.  The stories of a doomed future are a self fulfilling prophecy if you sit back and encourage it.

I will leave you all to spread your tales of woe, shame you couldn't do it on another thread, sorry you already did.

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just to offer a slightly different perspective on this debate:-
the current stock price is $28.9
a year ago it was $70
two years ago it was $99
from what I can see no dividend was paid out over the last 12 months, 2 billion dollars have been wiped off the value of the company in 24 months that's an average loss of about $83 million a month. The trend looks very bad.

It seems to me like the CFO is under serious pressure from big investors to massively improve the bottom line (ie cut costs increase profits) and stop the rot.  And somewhere down the chain this Brennan person was tasked with sugar coating a cost cut to us.

My reading of this (and my conclusion gives me no pleasure at all), is that whatever protest we can organise, at the end of the day SS is ruled by the investors, and the investors at the moment with nothing to show (no dividend and evaporating capital), for their investments, will be considering pulling their money, causing panic in SS management.

If the slide continues, expect more good news from Brennan, and even possibly at some point an aggressive takeover.

There a very few investors these days most of them are speculators.  The money invested in the hope of gaining a bigger market share of the EL market is our money paid for with a pay cut, an investment with no return for us unless you are on the top tier and in an advantageous currency.  The risk has been transferred from the speculators to the contributors, the distribution of profits from the contributors to the speculators to make up for their ridiculous gambling approach to the stock market.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: New EL prices
« on: January 29, 2016, 16:43 »
I hope nobody votes because they have opted out.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Opt Out of Enhanced Licenses at SS
« on: January 29, 2016, 16:15 »
You are assuming that it is only a reduction with zero chance of more or equal money and that volume will not go up.

If they had just said, from now on we get 12 dollars instead of 28, I would agree with you and maybe consider opting out if enhanced licenses are a significant part of most contributors income, maybe my portfolio is just unlucky. Half of my income? Of course Ill protest!!

But here, I really dont see it. Both in volume and money it is negligable.

Actually the photo sales overall have been dissapointing for me, unlike video. But that is a different story.

The other thing is - yes we have had really horrible experiences with other agencies. Does this mean that SS can never change anything in their business model?

They have managed to be scandal free for most of the time and do respond to complaints without banning people, see the watermark issue.

I genuinly believe that a flexible model can earn more money, if it is done well.

So at this point I personally really dont see enough data for an organized shitstorm.

I might be wrong of course, but I cant join a fight if I am not convinced.

Sorry :(

What if they do the same with footage?  If this goes well for them it's the obvious next step, footage is now the only one out of line with the other media. 

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Extended License
« on: January 29, 2016, 12:54 »
I would have thought with that many a lot of agencies would negotiate a deal if you talked to them direct depending on you needs. 

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Opt Out of Enhanced Licenses at SS
« on: January 29, 2016, 08:48 »
This is the "Opt Out of Enhanced Licenses at SS" thread, you may find a "how the world works" thread elsewhere if you are not interested.

everything is referred to the thread...if you sell and earn 0,25 scent per foto complaining because el went from 25 to 18....considring that they went this way cause probably the sold low in the last year, i was used to have 4 5 at month and even more, in the last 8 month 2 El only, is nitpicking in my way.
even complaining is nitpicking...we created all this situation and we must accept everything. photography is worth less than any jobs in the world in these days. it's tremendous to accept but it's the truth

So your answer is to give in and die a little. Thanks for your discouragement, but I get enough of that from directly Shutterstock.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Opt Out of Enhanced Licenses at SS
« on: January 29, 2016, 08:34 »
This is the "Opt Out of Enhanced Licenses at SS" thread, you may find a "how the world works" thread elsewhere if you are not interested.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Opt Out of Enhanced Licenses at SS
« on: January 29, 2016, 07:39 »
Discounting costs us now that we are on a percentage so increased demand would need to be very high for us to profit.  And we are at the mercy of currency fluctuations. 

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Image Sleuth / Re: Myloview selling products with images
« on: January 28, 2016, 18:04 »
Thanks for that I didn't scroll down far enough.  They have 60 of mine, which doesn't tally with any site I'm on and they look curated.
A 508 cm x 508 cm (would look good on my gable end) for 470.84GBP so I would be expecting an EL.
The fotolia price for this kind of site was given in a post here a while back, will see if I can find it.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Opt Out of Enhanced Licenses at SS
« on: January 28, 2016, 16:37 »
It's actually all irrelevant to me, because I gave up on microstock over a year ago and quit uploading.  But - doesn't SS have some sort of "Contributor Relations" person - whose job would be to give out the bad news, recite the spin, and listen to the angry responses from contributors?   And maybe even respond?

Some other character posted the announcement on the forum and it looks like the forum moderator is ignoring it as he is posting in other threads and leaving that one alone.  No response from emails either, anybody would think they had taken on all the IS staff.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Opt Out of Enhanced Licenses at SS
« on: January 28, 2016, 15:22 »
I was out before them.  Sorry, but if there has to be a p*ssing contest to get people engaged it might as well be on topic.

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Image Sleuth / Re: Myloview selling products with images
« on: January 28, 2016, 15:00 »
New one to me, usually giveaways the watermark and the id number of the image. Can't recall the watermark and the id number (different image) leads to even murkier waters https://redro.pl/fototapeta-ciasto-tort-urodzinowy-z-swiece-do-8-ga-urodziny,35991906


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