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iStockPhoto.com / Re: I just cancelled my exclusivity
« on: May 15, 2011, 11:29 »
...Irrationality behind rejections were beaten to death here but I'd like to share my own experience...

Standards do vary from site to site and collection to collection (even if you ignore the odd spike of weirdness from a new reviewer), but you'll have to get your head around rejections whether you're independent or exclusive. I would grant you that it's always easier if all sites but one accept something because you know it will be on sale vs. not.

I'm now uploading elsewhere again after 2+ years of exclusivity and when SS rejected a file that had been a Vetta image at iStock I could feel the old outrage welling up and I had to just remind myself that these rejections are irrelevant and move on. When you're independent, you will continue to have rejections you don't agree with - potentially more of them too :) (because there are more sites therefore #images x #sites opportunities to be rejected)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Another Way to Cash In
« on: May 14, 2011, 13:38 »
Reading from Lee's comments, that report is more targeted to agencies than contributors...

I think that's Sean's point - as I read it, Sean's suggesting others here could sell their experience with microstock to wannabe agencies who don't know the lay of the land.

I saw a documentary about the California Gold rush and apparently the folks who sold supplies to the arriving miners were the ones who really made money. I don't see a huge rush of incoming agencies, but perhaps there are enough to sell a few at $700?

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Adobe Stock / Re: New Fotolia ad in Photoshop User
« on: May 14, 2011, 11:32 »
So here is a list of the 2011 One Show award winners. Fotolia's ad is not in the list of winners (the show was held last week).

They are in the list of finalists here - they're in the Design Finalists list in the category for Typography Campaign. MacLaren McCann Canada in Calgary was the agency and the entry title was #1 in Europe.

If you note the text on the above page it says "If you are a finalist, you are winning at least a Merit award and might be winning a One Show Pencil. The winning pieces will be announced at their respective shows during One Show Festival, May 9-13"

So the blog entry is overstating it to say the ad won a One Show Pencil - it didn't - just a merit award.

IMO you'd do better to say what actually happened - it was a finalist in the awards - than claim it won an award when it didn't.

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I didn't boycott E+ exactly. I had a tiny number of Vetta rejects that got in automatically and I didn't see anything happening for them at all. I initially didn't do any more because the promised tools weren't yet ready and the boost in best match was "soon". After the tools went from soon to never and lots of people complained about the lack of a boost, I just put E+ on the back burner.

Some people have had good luck with that and others had very bad results. It's a guess, but given my portfolio - no huge sellers, just a lot of decent files that sell OK - I think I'd be more likely to have have seen poor results.

2010 was a fantastic year for me for sales, and until September 7th, my morale was right up there too. I didn't need E+ to have that great year and absent the many wretched changes recently, I think 2011 could have been just as good and I'd still be exclusive.

I'm well aware that other agencies have their problems, and it was in part because I was tired of endlessly watching out for various anti-contributor moves that I started looking at exclusivity. I won't be back at Fotolia because they've banned me - they weren't happy when I started encouraging contributors to suspend uploading when they first introduced low-ball subscriptions and I'm not shy about speaking up when I think things aren't right. I did approach them as I was considering terminating exclusivity and they said I wasn't welcome.

I have my old accounts at DT and SS, but all the images will have to be uploaded again - I asked DT if the disabled images could be re-enabled and they said no. In SS's case, I think it may work out for the best to re-upload anyway given it's been nearly 2.5 years since I left.

Steep trek is probably about right, but I'm willing to take the hit for a while to move back. iStock is becoming a place for a small group of Vetta/Agency contributors and that's just not me. For those for whom that works - buyers or contributors - that's great.

The only emotional part of it is that while I felt I was part of an organization and was valued in my small role, I was very happy to be involved exclusively with iStock. If I'm going to be ignored and not valued for my contributions - just another slob with a camera - then I'd rather deal with multiple agencies. Lower expectations in that case that I have for a sole partner. And I am still deeply angry about the 180 on the promises for cannister grandfathering.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: P+ collection = end of istock
« on: May 13, 2011, 14:35 »
Check the starting IS's page, there is no EX/Vetta button (attached to all prices) but a simple Photo+ tab. Does it mean anything?

There's plenty of Vetta/Ageny promotion on the Photos landing page. I'm assuming on the "front page" they don't want to talk too loudly about high prices, so they're listing the "starting from" prices not the whole range.

As they don't have a tab for everything, I'm somewhat surprised they're listing Photos+ at all, but the whole P+ program was plunked down in a rush, so it may be they didn't really think it all through.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: P+ collection = end of istock
« on: May 13, 2011, 09:53 »
...Unless you fill the majority of your portfolio as agency and vetta files, theres no longer any point in becoming exclusive imo....


See Sean's comment here, which is saying that for him, creating more Agency is the way to keep earnings up.

The problem is that on Getty, Agency/Vetta only gets you 20% and no RC for the following year - which over time will I think affect the take from iStock. IOW you'll end up selling for 20% whether at IS or Getty even though the prices will be high.

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I'm strongly considering dumping my crown, too.  I appreciate everyone's input here in making my decision, which is a very difficult one.  I've been exclusive to istock since 2007 and have never uploaded to other sites.  It seems a bit daunting, but I'm tired of flatlining at istock.  I feel like after all my hard work, my portfolio should be worth more than 20-30 downloads a day.  I'll never know unless I try. 

Good luck, Jo Ann!  I'm pretty quiet on the istock forums, but I do read them.  I appreciate you always watching we contributor's backs.

Thanks for the wishes - unlike you, I have been independent before, so it's just a matter of getting back in the saddle, so to speak :) It took me a long time to come to a decision - I had to borrow Lisafx's fence a few times - but I just could no longer see much of a future there for me. There are plenty of independents here to provide you with information if you need more as you think things over.

I now have started uploading images to the two sites that will let me do that while I wait (i.e. can turn off the sales availability).

Lots of things have changed in the last couple of years, although mostly for the better - SS's Content editor is a very smart piece of software and I was very impressed this morning with the ability to add to and subtract from keywords in a selection of images which didn't have identical ones, but which had a common subset. Sounds small, but it's (a) really helpful when you have a phrase "Turks and Caicos Islands" which no one would ever type but is in the iStock CV and (b) indicates some thought went into these features instead of just doing something quick and dirty. So I was able to remove "Water's Edge" from a batch, leaving all the other keywords alone; add "Turks & Caicos". What a pleasure to have a nice surprise!

I had my old accounts turned on again but in the case of Stockfresh and Veer had to apply which felt a bit funny. Stockfresh accepted me within hours and I'm still waiting on Veer :) 21 days to go...

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There's a certain irony in your choice of thread - the one about people canceling their contracts :)

However the canceling has been taking longer than the 30 days, so it's amusing that now they're backed up on the input side as well.

To answer your question, it seems that almost all of the iStock site is suffering from bugs and other problems and that you've encountered  yet another - assuming the "maintenance" is fixing bugs versus changing the rules for exclusives or exclusivity applications.

You really don't have much choice but to wait it out. No, it isn't normal the way things used to be at iStock, but unfortunately broken is the new normal.

Not sure if that was helpful, but I think it's the best I can do!

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another best match shift 14/4/2011
« on: May 11, 2011, 16:22 »
Regular is everything other than Vetta & Agency - 'cause that's what Sean's script segregates.

If at some point we could separate out E+ P+ main collection and exclusive collection, that'd be really great, but that depends on a new Sean-monkey script update or something :)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istock F5 epic fail
« on: May 11, 2011, 16:20 »
Lobo acknowledged that the my_uploads page wasn't updated with the amount paid. For some of these "fix" payments they update the csv (I think only in the monthly version) with a column that says "Admin adjustments" or something like that. Nothing itemized, just a lump sum for the month.

Someone else in that thread referenced my long ignored suggestion about detailed, downloadable sales (& refund) data. It's really important for contributors to have detailed records of money going in and out of our accounts.

Detailed records wouldn't stop outright fraud, but it does make mistakes easier to catch (in addition to giving us information with which to build a spreadsheet to track things).

Given that we can't get even one agency to do this, it's probably complete pie in the sky to think about an agency-wide CSV format in which they'd agree to report our data - common codes for sales, licenses, etc. so we could track all agencies without doing something specific for each one.

I'm hoping at some point some banking regulator gets hold of this mess and makes the agencies act like our money matters.

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I have not yet had an extended license for an editorial image, but I've only been uploading editorial (to IS) since February, so the 40 or so editorial images I have are a small portion of my portfolio.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another best match shift 14/4/2011
« on: May 11, 2011, 14:30 »
Here's an update on the results I'd posted in April of the number of "regular" (non-Agency/Vetta) photos in the first 200 with Best Match sort order. Sean's fixed his greasemonkey script to work with IS's latest changes (so I can easily count totals) - thanks Sean - so I updated it with today's results.

Bottom line is some things are slightly better, others are slightly worse. In any event, if you're not a flaming image, you aren't on the first page of "regular" results. Remember, once upon a time, new images would get a lookin on the first page of results for a short while?

Sorry about the formatting, but although the tabs get preserved when I copy and paste - and look fine in the editor on the forum - they don't look right once you exit the editor and post

200 per page, photos only, number of regular images on first page of search

Search term         Reg 4/12   Reg 4/14   Reg 5/11
      
fish*                      9      11      13
senior couple           20      30      25
woman shopping      31      36      32      
tropical beach         12      15      17
spa treatment         39      44      39
woman eating         21      31      26
woman laptop         30      41      37
man portrait           26      35      29
doctor                  37      45      44
swimming pool         13      19      16
summer outdoors      29      35      38
child outdoors         36      43      48
sexy woman          9      12      13   

* both food and animal meanings

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: PNG Format: a Game Changer?
« on: May 10, 2011, 11:25 »
It's possible there's something really big on the horizon that no designer on the forums at iStock has ever once asked about (AFAIK; feel free to post a link if there is one), but this smacks to me more of iStock wanting to do something to get buyers back than it does of a customer-need-driven site enhancement.

My husband once worked for a startup that planned to capture a niche market by offering a compiler version of a language that was previously interpreted (MUMPS in case anyone cares). The big deal was supposed to be how much faster things would be with the compiled version. The problem was, all the customers were quite happy with the speed of things as they were. When people don't think they have a problem, trying to sell them a solution rarely gets you anywhere.

Doesn't matter that contributors are willing to make PNGs (which I'm not sure I am as I haven't yet heard enough to understand what I'd have to do); if buyers don't care, it'll be a waste of everyone's time and energy. I don't think the iPad analogy is apt. There's no purchase lust involved in file formats - there is in sleekly designed consumer gadgets.

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Down 15%

I have only uploaded some editorial images this year so far though, so not much portfolio growth. I have a lot of stuff I haven't uploaded because of the many bugs (with aRGB images and new stuff getting buried).

Typically the last 3 months of the year are very strong for me, but as this best match change has been horrible, I'm not all that optimistic at the moment.

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I don't think so. The photog still has the choice and it's only for images that have not sold in a couple of years.

This might meet the slimmest and most technical definition of choice, but that's about it.

The photographer does not have any control over what happens to their images beyond not working with Getty at all. For those earning their living through Getty images (which isn't me), it isn't easy to just leave.

If they said that the photographer could deactivate the photos that didn't sell after 3 years as an alternative to moving to RF and Thinkstock, that might be an OK choice, but Getty refuses to offer that claiming it's too burdensome administratively. IMO that's bollocks.

If they offered an opt out for images going to Thinkstock, it might be OK, but they won't do that either.

They set limits on the number of photos that can be exempted from the RM to RF transition and the photographer has to document why.

This is a naked, greedy powerplay by a company that treats photographers very badly.  I certainly hope some of Getty's big earners tell them to stuff it, but I doubt that's going to happen.

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I still have some time to think about this - and see how others are doing - but it might be a good idea (a) to do what you did with the 'lypse images which can't be anywhere else and (b) soften the blow a little of the cut in both price and commission by putting some proven sellers that I don't think have obvious on-site competition.

I can rationalize it with respect to buyers by thinking that they can easily get the files elsewhere if they wish and the files aren't any more expensive than they are now (as exclusive files) :)

Edited to add that JJRD just locked a thread in the exclusive forum asking about the (long-ago promised) boost in best match placement for E+ images. In the way he said that it would be coming when they were good and ready and that contributors had to realize that this recent best match change was the biggest they'd ever made, he tacitly acknowledged that there hasn't been any E+ boost yet.

Given how long ago E+ was introduced (at which point this boost in search placement was promised) his comments that some contributors expected things to happen with the flick of a switch seems disingenuous to me - being impatient over one year later (E+ was introduced in April 2010) is hardly expecting things with the flick of a switch.

Bottom line: don't base any decision about putting files into P+ on an assumption of improved search results placement.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Vector Vetta rebellion
« on: May 09, 2011, 10:44 »
This isn't generally visible because it's in the Vetta forum, but apparently they gave insufficient attention to the details of rolling out Vetta for video and illustrations.

Now the program is accepting nominations, contributors who want to participate are running into bugs that prevent them from doing that.

Trying to nominate a legacy file, they get the error "This file was previously in the Vetta Collection but it is no longer eligible for nominations" which is what you would get if you had taken a file out of Vetta and tried to nominate it again later.

Trying to nominate a new file upon upload, they get the error:


It's hard to say if this is because they're rushing this, or it's just the typical poor quality software rollout.

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I haven't left yet but I haven't and don't expect to hear anything from iStock about terminating my exclusivity.

When they didn't contact me to ask about the fraud conference call even though I think there were many more "votes" for me than for some of the people who participated it was clear to me that I must have p*(#@d off a lot of people at HQ.

I think as long as they keep the visible exclusives - Lise, Sean, et al. - they'll not sweat loosing the rest of us.

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Is there any more info on this Photo+ thing other than the message in the forum?  I just want to be sure that the 6-month lock-in doesn't come with a catch that I'm failing to see.

That's it, and it wasn't even that detailed when it was first posted :)

E+ has been around for a while and as they're modeling so much of P+ on E+ (including all the mistakes in P+ when they didn't edit what they copied for descriptive text and including the bugs in files sometimes not repricing) there aren't any gotchas other than what happens to a file in best match placement if sales don't keep pace over time.

Some people have had great success with E+ and others view it as a total disaster - I think it probably has to do with how you pick the files. For those who've had some E+ sales, but not the same amount as before, even though the money is good, the best match position erodes over time because of the lower sales. In time, the lower best match position reduces the overall $$ the file earns and isn't compensated for by the initial boost in  higher royalties.

It's possible that IS is going to make the partner program mandatory at some point, but I don't think P+ will have anything to do with that one way or the other.

Even with E+, you can deactivate the file any time you want, so the "lock" isn't quite the same as DT's 6 month lock on content.

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This is what I see:

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I now see a Photos plus icon - this is what I posted in the IS thread. Doesn't look to me as if they've really thought this through.

The reason I think this matters is that buyers need to be able to look at files and see what price things fall into. The ability to choose collections in search is important, but so is the visual confirmation shown with the thumb in search results

So now I see a new icon in the iStock firmament here. The Photos+ icon is separate from the file type icons - it's listed with the crown and other collections icons.

(a) I don't see this show up on images that are already showing Photo+ pricing
(b) Will images in P+ have both a camera icon and a camera+ icon?
(c) If the P+ images will have only one icon - camera with a plus - then wouldn't it be logical to have E+ images switch to a camera with a plus as well (and drop the plus on the crown)?

It just seems that the iconography is getting so complex - with file types that have a color to designate collection; file types with an add on that designate a collection; but then one collection (E+) doesn't change the file type at all?

As Vetta will now come to video and illustrations, I assume those file type icons will be changing color too? If E+ extends to video and illustrations you could continue with the crown and a plus. If P+ extends to I+ and V+ in the future (for independent video and illustrations in a "Plus" collection) will you then have little pluses on the pen and the TV?

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I still don't see the icon that the admin who announced this program said would identify images in the P+ program. I see "Stock photo +" on the detail page and some have the new pricing, but others have the words but not the new prices.

Does anyone see it?

Without an identifier that shows the price, aren't we just setting things up for another round of complaints from buyers who feel ambushed by the price hike? They had images in their lightbox, carefully selected because they were all non-exclusive and now suddenly the price has doubled...?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock expanding
« on: May 06, 2011, 12:56 »
How much should you give designers? Aren't they just making their own PNGs, clipping paths, crops, designs, etc.? It's stock. It is supposed to be adjusted for your needs.

If I thought there was a market for it, I'd give designers almost anything they were willing to pay the right price for (no RAW files). I've read some designers on how they'd rather do their own clipping paths so they know they're right and others who say they'd love to save time.

I've heard iStock's spiel on no finished designs but SS sells a ton of those sorts of files, so someone wants them.

If the market for PNGs with alpha channels is just corporate PowerPoints, I'd like to get some idea of what percentage of our sales go into that market before deciding if it's worth it. I was not aware that made up a large portion of our sales, but as we don't really have any data on sales - iStock does if they've categorized those who buy credits from them, which I hope for their sake they have - I could be wrong.

As management at IS has yet to do anything in the way of an announcement on this to contributors, we're left with KKT whining that we aren't focusing on the positives in his interview.

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I read Lobo's argument as to why this was really a suggestion, but I don't buy it. The suggestion forum is a black hole - it's a way of sweeping unwanted discussions under the rug.

I didn't see any point in having a call unless there was something iStock wanted and couldn't get - the only reason they did anything for video and illustration. There wouldn't have been that announcement of Vetta expansion with no content. However it seemed to be a perfectly legitimate topic for the Discussion forum. Just embarassing to iStock.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock expanding
« on: May 05, 2011, 20:03 »
...BTW, Kelly, it's 'arse'. An 'ass' is a donkey.
I know KKT is Canadian, but in the US 'ass' does double duty as both - so convenient :)

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