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Site Related / Re: Discount Spam at Spammy Spam
« on: January 29, 2011, 21:39 »
Surely the title should have included some beans? As in spam, spam, spam, spam, beans and spam? :)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Depressing January
« on: January 29, 2011, 13:14 »
Considering the totally crap state of the site at the moment, it's been a pretty good January. The month isn't done yet and it's already better than last January by 20%. My best month of the year is typically November, so I would never expect January to be a BME.

Clearly there are some odd things going on - another contributor reported going from $2,000 a month last year (don't think they said if that was average or best month or what) to $800 in January and even given the slower time of year, that seems like a massive drop.

I will say that after I turned exclusive in August 2008 they started messing with best match as they worked on best match 2.0. It wreaked havoc with my sales and the only reason I stuck with exclusivity was I figured I should give it at least 6 months. best match 2.0 made things much better for me.

I don't know if what you're seeing has to do with site breakage vs. buyer departure. If it's the former, giving them a few months to fix things might make sense.

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Just last week I found an old blog post of Dan Heller's about the orphan works controversy that deals with the same economic issues.  It highlights how photographer demands can harm the industry.  Interesting reading.


Your link didn't bring up the blog post for me - but I think I've found the two parts here and here. Are these the posts you were thinking of?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: January 28, 2011, 19:35 »
Another buyer has left:
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=297572&page=1
ostensibly on the 'price of Vetta/agency/E+' issues, but it's hard to say, as s/he admits that these pictures are 'better' in some way than the normal-priced ones. Like I could complain cashmere isn't as cheap as cotton knits. (and hey, moths don't attack my cotton knits).


BTW, I read the thread before the other agency name was redacted by Mr. Moderator. It was Veer, and the other XXX is for Corbis, Veer's parent.

Regardless of the slightly odd way of expressing his/her frustration, I think the message we keep getting over and over is that buyers at budget prices are feeling ignored/frustrated/priced out of the market. I honestly don't see why having premium collections necessarily results in this - as long as you don't get stupid and greedy and try to push the premium material down everyone's throat.

I hope to see those collection filters in operation very soon. The fact that all the other Getty sites don't offer any sort of ordering of results is not filling me with confidence that we'll see them back at iStock, but we'll just have to see if they do what they said they would and get them working again.

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Agencies ARE business partners, if you're not happy doing business with them, then don't, it's as simple as that. You are the market (or at least one side of it), and the market ultimately decides ;)


Right, it's just that simple. Sure.

::)


I figured the person who originally posted that was just spoiling for a fight - or a long discussion about the nature of free markets and the imperfect, power imbalanced markets that are more typically what we encounter.

I found last Sunday's New York Times article about the guy who's negotiating for the NFL players association with the owners (I don't think the word sustainable was used, but lots of similar dynamics were at play) a very interesting read.

Similar battles - people with a successful business want more; players who theoretically are free to walk if they don't like conditions in practice stay because where else can they play professional ball; both sides framing the terms of their dispute very differently. The interesting thing is that even with a strong players union, they're still having a hard time getting the deal they're looking for.

Perhaps recent events at IS have left me more than usually interested in the nature of power struggles and decision making in situations where one of the parties holds much more of the power :)

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I still have accounts - with nothing for sale - at several other sites. With SS, for example, you can set something in your profile to disable it, so that images can be uploaded but not externally visible. With the other sites there's no similar master switch (AFAIK), so files need to be disabled/enabled individually.

SS does inactivate your account after a certain time (I think it's 3 months) but e-mail to customer service will reactivate it (I did that once when the partner program was introduced, but calmed down when they made it optional).

The only other prep thing to consider is keywords in your images. If you've been keywording for the IS CV, handling synonyms and phrases is something you'll need to work on. So the IS search engine maps multiple terms to the CV one, so you only have to enter the CV term. For other sites, you need to include those synonyms if you want your images found - so sunshine, sunny, sunlight, sun all map to a choice of two CV terms Sun (Sky) and Sunlight (Light Effect) on IS. If your image contains only Sunlight, you need to add the synonyms. Handling of phrases varies a bit from site to site as well - I think SS needed quotes, for example.

Not sure about your choice of color space, but when I last uploaded elsewhere (August 2008) none of the sites handled images in spaces other than sRGB automatically. Thumbs in AdobeRGB look awful in a non color managed browser (or everywhere if whoever's making the thumbs doesn't include a profile). As a result I always converted my images to sRGB when making JPEGs for upload. I stopped doing that after I went exclusive, but unless something's changed at the other sites in the interim, would probably need to make new sRGB JPEGs for those in AdobeRGB so they don't have dingy looking thumbnails.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Anyone cancel exclusive contract yet?
« on: January 28, 2011, 12:47 »
JOANN- do you have any ranking at Fotolia still, you were likely around Gold were you?  Would you get that ranking back or do you have to start from scratch.


I didn't delete my FT account; just all my images. At some point after that when I went back to the site (probably to check on a forum post mentioned here) I couldn't log in any more. No communciation with me as to why that happened, so I can only guess.

I don't know if I'd be able to pick up where I left off, but if I were to go independent again, I'd eat whatever humble pie was necessary and at least ask. Worst they could do is say no :) Regardless of the merits of any of the sites, I think as an independent you need to do IS, FT, SS and probably DT to make it make financial sense.

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Part time work from home Mum.

I was a software engineer, development manager and prior to that marketing and pre/post sales support for software. Had my own graphic design business for a couple of years in between, but the money in the software business was much, much better.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Anyone cancel exclusive contract yet?
« on: January 27, 2011, 18:42 »
I haven't cancelled, but have thought very seriously about doing it. I did enquire of CR what happens if you start the 30 day clock and then during that 30 days change your mind. The answer is that you can't back out, so you have to wait out the remainder of the 30 days as an exclusive, spend your 90 days as an independent, and then can re-apply.

So don't start the clock if you aren't serious about becoming independent :)

I was independent for nearly 4 years, so I am a bit "rusty" but still have a pretty good idea of what the issues are. I was pushed back onto the fence just as I was about to jump for independence by FT announcing their latest commission cut.

In spite of all the bugs and crap, my January so far is ahead of Jan 2010 (by about 10%) and the month isn't over, so I think I'm going to sit tight for a bit.

I don't know that anyone - independent or exclusive to one site - is in a good situation right now. We all have a set of risks and concerns about how things will play out over the next 2-3 years. So when I see swapping one set of icky circumstances for another, I'm much less motivated to drop exclusivity. Of course IS could tip the scales a bit if they made the partner program mandatory or pulled some equally numb-skulled move...

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General Stock Discussion / Re: How does Shutterstock make money?
« on: January 27, 2011, 10:48 »
SS has been very smart. Back when they gave raises annually and were still raising subscription prices, they'd put the price up for the buyer, let that settle for a few months so they could track buying patterns and then announce contributor increases. They apparently have been able to  get decent stats on usage patterns that hold up - probably because of the large volume of subscribers.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Search Box Is Dead?
« on: January 27, 2011, 01:35 »
Even though some fixes have been made in the last week or two, iStock search is suffering from a large number of bugs since the December code for "new" search was launched. For some people, private browsing being turned on (in Safari and Firefox) rendered the search box dead. Turn private browsing off as a workaround until the bugs get fixed.

It's a cure for insomnia, but you can read all about the bugs here and here.

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Microstockgroup Buy and Sell / Re: Any early spring cleaning?
« on: January 25, 2011, 23:37 »
You were first - cartridges are now spoken for :)

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Microstockgroup Buy and Sell / Re: Any early spring cleaning?
« on: January 25, 2011, 23:08 »
If anyone has an Epson 1280 printer, I have two color cartridges that I'll give away as long as the recipient pays for the shipping (i.e. probably only would make sense in the US). This is the product. I replaced the printer last month and still had 2 color cartridges. Expiration date is 10-2014 so they're good for a while yet :)

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I'm not very motivated to shoot and upload at the moment, but my I have never and can't see myself ever going for the "good enough" approach. It's personal pride and also a sense of investing in making my portfolio the best it can be. 

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Size Matters
« on: January 25, 2011, 22:50 »
I think that the blogger is mistaken in the basic assumption that there will be no market soon/in the future for very large images. It may be akin to those assumptions about the paperless office (which still hasn't happened and doesn't look likely to) where projecting the future from the very beginning of some trend can result in huge errors (small angle error = huge delta at the right end of the graph).

I think value based pricing is probably the right approach, and for the moment the notion that you get more value from the editable vector than the JPEG and more from a larger pile of pixels than a smaller is a reasonable proxy for measuring value to the end user.

When I look at my sales, even though I don't know where all those big files end up, I know that there are a very substantial number of Large and higher sales in the mix.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia cuts commissions again
« on: January 25, 2011, 21:31 »
The only way "revenge" can be taken is when 90% of the independent contributor from IS and FT delete their portfolio.
And that will only happen when SS offers exclusivity.


I can't see SS ever offering exclusivity. They just don't care about premium or exclusive stuff - only about having a regular supply of new images to keep subscribers happy. They have nothing to gain - they actually make more the fewer images a subscriber downloads every month.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia cuts commissions again
« on: January 25, 2011, 18:49 »

"...it is totally up to us, the submitters, we are what makes Fotolia and the better they do, the better we do - when times were good we got rewarded, I trust that if we can put Fotolia at the top of the microstock market we will again get increases ... "

The element the quoted poster is missing is that the cuts were not done because Fotolia or the market had hit hard times, but rather the opposite.  It was because the business was doing so well that they made the earlier cuts, increase in downloads required to get various levels and the current cuts.

I don't see any reason to believe that FT (or IS - the grand copycat of FT in this particular regard) will reverse the cuts unless they are hard up for images at some point in the future.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia cuts commissions again
« on: January 25, 2011, 17:05 »
Your target (microstock submitters) is wrong.
Agencies exist because of buyers.
Give buyers what they need elsewhere, and they drop those agencies what you don't like.

Look in the history. Slavery didn't ended because slaves stopped working, but because there were people who stood up and made other people understand that it's not ethical to benefit from slaves work.

Point taken, but there is no obvious place for contributors to take their work. Even the agencies who get highest marks from contributors have reduced commissions to increase their share of the take. I can't think of one agency (not even SS) who hasn't done this. And I'm not counting minuscule agencies with no marketing budget who give 90% to the photographer as 90% of almost-zero is still almost-zero.

When the microstock end of the business was new and agencies needed images, contributors had more leverage. Now that there is real money in it, all the agencies want a bigger piece of the pie and are not as motivated to keep contributors happy.

We (contributors) are both beneficiaries and victims of microstock's sucess.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istock F5 epic fail
« on: January 24, 2011, 20:14 »
So hear Pete on Pete, Pete on the joys of the holiday season, what the wild west forums looked like - including use of heart heart unicorn rainbow - here and here.

I just spent a bit of time wandering through old threads - not civil or G rated, but lively and lots of entertainment value. Anyone thinking about a "return" to civility in the forums perhaps isn't thinking about returning to the way the forums actually were. There's a great book about this tendency, I think called The Way we Never Were...

Edited to add one more link - Peebert on complaints from trad agencies about how micrsostock was ruining their business.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istock F5 epic fail
« on: January 24, 2011, 18:42 »
It's sure nice to see more familiar folks from the forums in Istock's glory days here on MSG....


Next think you know Peebert will be here and the world will be right again :)

And any clever clogs who is thinking of pretending to be Peebert will really have to crank up the rhetoric - Peebert made Gostwyck seem like the church lady!

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia cuts commissions again
« on: January 24, 2011, 16:40 »
The thread has been closed by Fotolia and I have been banned from the Forum for being a little bit to firm ..... no rule broken as far as I know (maybe they just made a new rule up !!).

I have to be careful what I say here as the last thing I want happening is my portfolio being pulled by them so will leave it at that ...... this is one of the reasons I havent posted here in a long time :-(

Which is why a number of long term contributors with good size portfolios are anonymous here - they don't want to put their income at risk given the extraordinarily broad notion FT has of what speech they should be able to control. It's not a good situation, but you're wise to be cautious.

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Mostly photos, a few illustrations. I have some digital paintings, but I only sold those via other agencies before I went exclusive with IS, so none currently for sale

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istock F5 epic fail
« on: January 24, 2011, 14:09 »
I seem to remember her asking me if I wanted a little cheese with that whine when I complained about a rejection for a different reason altogether following a resubmit of an image! Probably 2004 or 2005. She became an inspector, briefly, I think. But that was back in the days of Peebert and a somewhat more wild west atmosphere :)
:-[ Sounds like me. :D
And yeah, I was an inspector for a while. It was definitely a different place way back then. :D

I whine less now :)

Are you thinking of contributing to other stock sites?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istock F5 epic fail
« on: January 24, 2011, 02:47 »
I seem to remember her asking me if I wanted a little cheese with that whine when I complained about a rejection for a different reason altogether following a resubmit of an image! Probably 2004 or 2005. She became an inspector, briefly, I think. But that was back in the days of Peebert and a somewhat more wild west atmosphere :)

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I had looked a Photographer's Direct a long time ago - once I saw that they didn't work with anyone selling via micros, I stopped investigating. I just had another look this evening after following the link to the article about them.

The big problem is that the site looks awful and the photos are really nothing special. I like the idea of fair trade, but expecting some sort of price negotiation over very ordinary images (many of which just look dated, although perhaps they aren't) seems to require buyers to do a ton of heavy lifting when the prize is a a rather unappealing one anyway.

I think the fair trade idea is well worth pursuing, but you need a state of the art web site, search and great looking images. Don't think Photographer's Direct cuts the mustard. Do they sell a lot? Is the concept working?

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