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Based on all of what is happening, I think there might be grounds for a class action case. You cannot force contributors to an "agreement" to promote our images without giving us an option to opt out of it. There is a case against facebook now that seems to be of the same guide lines. Facebook is trying to settle it quietly. The judge has rejected the settlement since it does not award any damages to facebook contributors. For facebook, it could result in a lot money.

From the article: "The lawsuit, brought by five Facebook members, alleged the social networking site violated California law by publicizing users likes of certain advertisers on its Sponsored Stories feature without paying them or giving them a way to opt out, the documents said."

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/facebook_quietly_settled_lawsuit_that_could_have_involved_up_to_1_in_3_amer

There are also other articles that show how Facebook is forcing people to pay to insure all your followers will read your posts. Guess what? People are now turning against facebook. Amazing how you can screw up your own business...

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Nice feather in your cap - congrats! Use it in your blog, website or whatever... interesting to see what can be done with your images in production work.

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I have read almost all of the posts by creatives in both forums regarding the changes at istock and I have to say, if your going to do that much effort to get your voices heard, you need to take it to the top level, beyond istock, and even beyond Getty Images - to the new owners, The Carlyle Group. I suspect they have no idea what is going on here, and any information they are getting is from Getty Images, since istock has basically been gutted. It's sad to see contributors post such accurate well written posts in an istock forum which I think is just a closed room. If you're an exclusive and have posted your thoughts, make a little extra effort and write at least one letter to someone at the Carlyle Group. (addresses listed below) At least we can raise an awareness about what is going on and that changes need to take place and soon. Perhaps we can make our own "Make a difference" campaign.

Person in charge of the Getty Images account:
Eliot P. S. Merrill
Managing Director
Carlyle Group 520 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
United States
 
Board of directors (others are listed on the Carlyle website):
William E. Conway, Jr.
Co-Chief Executive Officer, Co-founder
Carlyle Group 1001 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20004-2505
United States

Daniel A. D'Aniello
Chairman, Co-founder
Carlyle Group 1001 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20004-2505
United States

James H. Hance, Jr.
Operating Executive
Carlyle Group 520 Madison Avenue
New York, NY 10022
United States

David M. Rubenstein
Co-Chief Executive Officer, Co-founder
Carlyle Group 1001 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20004-2505
United States

Sometimes speaking out can make a difference. Who knows? We have to at least try.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Nippyish note from Rebecca Rockafellar
« on: December 10, 2012, 15:30 »
Rebecca Rockafellar is a manager, nothing more, nothing less. I suspect the next big announcement will be the repair of the zoom feature to the website. It's her goal to come out on the top end of this, to give the appearance of "making progress" while ignoring the real issues that have been raised. Also if the real issues were raised, I suspect it might entail a civil action against them. Best to keep that quiet.

The problem is two different business models - Getty Images - created by a group of ex bankers. None of these people are creatives and it's their goal to present their 20% royalty rate as a "industry standard". In reality, the best possible position for you as a contributor is to die. That way Getty Images would purchase your portfolio from your family and then make 100% royalty earnings from it. The Getty Images plan was to purchase as many image sites as possible in an effort to control the market. Same as grandpa Getty did with the oil market. (And he wasn't a very nice man either) Problem is, microstock sites popped up all over and with better quality and price. Hence the plan to buy the largest, istockphoto.

And istock? It is now leaderless, and in full control by Getty Images, since 2009-2010. Nothing can happen without approval from HQ in Seattle. The best match search is also being controlled there, which is why it appears "broken" since it is in Getty's best interest to promote it's own images on istock and make us all secondary. Based on these two conflicting business models you have two options:
1: Getty Images announces it's time to fairly reward photographers and artists and raises its royalty rates.
2: Setting up istock to slowly being pushed towards their 20% "standard royalty" (remember what istock did when it first announced Vetta for illustrators? That's your first clue)

I still stand by my prediction that the istock forum will be either shut down or turned into an "information only" resource in the future. They'll spin it as "too much negative and we need to move forward." It's better to keep contributors in the dark, rather than open discussion of ideas. Crowdsourcing goes both ways, and it's hard for a corporation to control it when it turns against you.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Getty Employees Speak Out
« on: December 03, 2012, 03:28 »
I happened upon this write up from some Getty IT employees when I was looking for something else. Can't say I'm surprised to hear some negative comments. Interesting to hear that they're outsourcing some software work to South America - stretching the communications lines like that can be pretty tricky

That's very interesting. Type in istockphoto and you see some revealing details:
"Cons Paralyzed into inactivity for fear of something going wrong. Entire teams told to stop doing any work leading up to the most recent sale of Getty Images (parent company) from H&F to Carlyle Group."
"Policy is set by parent company (getty) in Seattle. There is no option to create change or improvement short of being transferred down to the USA."
"After weeks and weeks of announcing that "nobody is getting laid off" they had a round of layoffs... and then a second round a couple months later."
"Management handled the integration with Getty Images very poorly and we lost a lot of domain knowledge as a direct result."
"Advice to Senior Management You're amazing at not answering questions, but we're not fooled by double talk and it only serves to grow resentment with the employees."

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That's sad to hear, he seemed to be one of the good ones. I'm disappointed that this news is buried in an odd istock post. He's a writer, he didn't have a final post in his own words, or a professional statement from IstockHQ? This is reminding me more and more of a Stalin photograph. A little airbrushing, and now your a nonperson... move along folks, nothing to see here, shoot, upload, repeat....

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iStockPhoto.com / Possible exchange rate problems with istock?
« on: September 16, 2012, 16:54 »
With the new direct credit card purchases at istock being added to buying options, a new question has been raised: Exchange rates and how istock is calculating your earnings. ShadySue posted this in the downtime thread and I think it needs it own thread here:

"For those who don't follow iStock forums, the latest is that not only are they fleecing cash buyers who don't pay in $$$ (I can't find an easy way to change 'method of payment' for cash sales, though it [used to be?] easy enough to buy credits in US$, if your credit card rate was better than iStock's), but they are not sharing the booty with contributors. When it was pointed out that contributors should be, according to the rate schedule, paid at their percentage of the actual selling, iStock posted:
"Royalties for our new standard pricing downloads are calculated using the same logic as credit downloads: we apply your royalty percentage to the net US dollar value of the file. We are going to change that language on the rate schedule to be more accurate."
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=347211&page=3#post6742383
So, not content with cutting the percentage rate of most of us, they are fleecing non-US buyers and not giving us our previously-promised share.
Nothing ever changes.
Worse, it looks like they've never been paying out the rate which was published on their site.
NB: I'd rather they weren't fleecing non-US buyers."

So the official statement for istock is "we apply your royalty percentage to the net US dollar value of the file." but the exclusive ASA states:

"iStockphoto agrees to pay you royalties equal to a portion of the fees collected in respect of Accepted Exclusive Content that is downloaded or otherwise purchased by end-users according to the rate schedule for Still and Flash Content and Motion Content, as the case may be, set forth on Appendix "A" to this Agreement, as it may be modified from time to time (the "Rate Schedule") and the license or sale of Exclusive Content recorded by iStockphoto and the Distribution Partners."

There's no mention of royalties being calculated based only on the US dollar value -  just fees collected. Foreign istock contributors  may be getting shortchanged, some are saying as much as a 20% difference. Thoughts?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: istock downtime 9/4
« on: September 16, 2012, 16:28 »
lisafx , jsnover , ShadySue - thanks for the feedback, I'll try to post more cartoons in the future. (I seem to be getting new material from istock with each month)

Regarding the site updates, I can think of only two situations:
One: the IT team at istock HQ doesn't have the skills to do website updates properly so we are just dealing with people who have the best intentions but just can't cut the mustard and no ability to plan whatsoever.
Two: Instructions are from Getty HQ to not work weekends or during off times and to do this during the work week. Sure sales will slump, but in the long run perhaps that is what they want to push us all to a 20% royalty rate. A setback here, a slump there, and soon we'll all be down a canister rate with lower RC earnings.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: istock downtime 9/4
« on: September 14, 2012, 13:24 »

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Is does makes sense. When I read my agreement with them it clearly said you can sell from other RF sites but not from your own. How can he do it? I admire him for doing it I just want to know how it is possible.

It's easy. Peopleimages.com is a separate company that has "contracted" Yuri to submit and sell his work. As an istock contributor, you can do it too. First, create and incorporate a business. Call it "Acme Images, Inc." for example. Next, Acme Images will purchase your images on a work for hire basis for lets say, one dollar. Acme Images will then own and sell your images on it's website. Now you're still an exclusive istock contributor who also does freelance work on the side. In this case, Acme Images is purchasing your images outright to sell on it's website. As a shareholder in the independent company you will also be taking a share of those profits.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock surveying buyers again...
« on: May 09, 2012, 00:46 »
This may be a case of "too little, too late" marketing. It's funny, remember back in 2010/11 when all the changes took place? And how a few customers closed their accounts and left on the forums? It was easy for Istock to say only a few accounts were closed, it was "business as usual, nothing to see here folks" and that was true. What they are discovering now is there a lot of open istock accounts with no credits. People spent what they had and are not buying any more. That lag time is now catching up with them so they are sending out "Hey we missed you!" emails.  I hope buyers will complain of the Getty images now populating the site and want a better filter for searches.

On a bit of the plus side, they are listening. I believe that the results of the contributor survey was one of the reasons some staff members were fired.

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Anyone planning to buy shares?


I would not buy shares in any creative corp or service, waste of time. I once bought shares in one of the worlds most prominent AD-agencies, sold them six months later,  waste of time. When depression hits the globe, the"creative-world",  is the first one to bite the dust.

I would look into buying shares. It certainly is a company on the rise and may lead to a future buyout. Also as a shareholder you will be have access to the annual reports which would be interesting to look at. What would be the costs be in running this kind of business? It's interesting to hear people complain of gas prices or bank fees yet do not buy shares in any of these related companies when they make record profits. As to buying shares of a creative company, Warren Buffett made some good coin buying a few advertising agencies back in the day. Holding a stock for six months is too short a time to gain any value. Sorry to hear you got burned but don't close the door on it.

Would Getty buy into this? Maybe. But I get the image of a very fat man in a restaurant with the waiter saying "Sorry sir, but your credit has been declined..."

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iStockPhoto.com / Missing RC bug on Jan 2012 - still waiting?
« on: April 16, 2012, 10:46 »
Still no word from HQ on the missing RC of Jan 2012. I'll just leave this here.


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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Kelly Thompson Leaving Getty January 20th
« on: January 21, 2012, 05:34 »
So I browsed the thread on the istock forum and see that Lobo is answering questions in typical Lobo-like fashion. So I presume he isn't one of the ones who got laid off? Does anyone know? I haven't been through all the threads yet today. Just curious. If he's staying, I guess that means the company thinks he is a doing a bang-up job.

...or he just missed this round of cuts. Complete assimilation hasn't yet occurred...

Agreed. When Getty shuts down the istock forums he'll be out of a job. Not nice to have contributors complain about poor monthly sales all the time. Better to keep people in the dark and not discuss opinions or ideas.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Oh no, not again...Istock back to 1979.
« on: January 19, 2012, 22:22 »
Well this was professional... well I think we can see that some layoffs were in order after all. All this is doing is convincing Getty to shut down the Calgary office ASAP if this kind of crap is going on. Unacceptable.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Layoffs at istock today
« on: January 18, 2012, 03:32 »
Interesting news, at least they waited until after Christmas for staff cuts. I wonder if Istock HQ will eventually shut down in Calgary and move to Seattle much like Veer did (within 2-4 years). If Getty is going to control istock it might as well go all the way. I still think the F5 website change was the result of Getty being hands on for coding so it could upload most of it's own content. That's why you're getting so many bugs, its hard to fix things when you have corporate HQ in Seattle adjusting/tweaking things as well. Add to that istock's programmers trying to keep up and you'll have problems. And we still haven't heard from Rebecca Rockefeller what's planned for 2012. I think they are trying to fix all of the website bugs so she can give us all a "good news" announcement. Wait and see...

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Is it not just a tad ironic....
« on: September 09, 2011, 02:31 »
Feast - what a creepy name. Reminds me of a 1970s zombie movie. Having red as the primary color on the site doesn't help much.

But I get what this is, starving artists and creatives, feeding off of each other. Sort of like the Donner party...

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Revised Artists Supply Agreement
« on: September 03, 2011, 15:27 »
I don't know if anybody else noticed but Pastor Scott's questions on the istock ASA thread keep getting deleted. He's tried twice and twice I see them disappear. Does corporate not want to answer questions anymore? I have his questions here:

From Pastor Scott:
Post:So I've read, waited, re-read and have my questions. Thanks for any forthright answers. I realize these are mutli phrased questions so just do what you can. Kind regards.
 
Q. We were consulted before this ASA?
 It was mentioned early on that this ASA policy was crafted after consulting with many of us? (After consulting with contributor representatives globally.) We knew who the fruad clawback conference call people were, and the illustration call, can we also be told who contributed to this? Who among these global ones suggested this alley-way as a positive? Were the persons who were consulted chosen at random or hand picked? Since much of the new ASA centers on adding content to the PPs, were the representatives of both sides of the issue of the PP consulted or just those who participate in the PP? In other words, how objective were the suggestions, the consulting that were/was acted upon? Also is it current iS policy to preface an administrative action by a consult of its contributors? The surveys timing seemed oddly close. Did the timing of the survey have anything to do with the ASA? Was it what the consulting referred to or deemed to serve a psychological purpose before a major change or just an coincidence of sorts?
 
Q. Is the ASA a positive thing?
If the exposure of the PP was/is seen by certain admins as a positive (I believe in these changes.This looks like some exciting and positive changes), why is it referred to as going downstream? Despite the lower price points, if TS and photos.com were so positive such as the low similarly priced crowdsourced microstock iStock used to be forcing the high priced trads like Getty to have to buy them so as to only be cannibalized by their own, then why are non-exs essentially punished by having to do it? If the PP is effective why the need to force people to 'use it or lose it?' Why is a perk of being Excl. being able to avoid the PP if it is so positive? Perks were always advantages. Is being out of the PP a perk and an advantage to iStock as an Exclusive? It is to me. In other words how can something be both a good thing and yet seen by so many as such a bad thing? Ive avoided it since its inception and havent seen a financial reason to join it. Some of our best contributors also. Getty had to buy iStock to prevent the cannicalization, we don't have that resource as contributors. Why call it downstream if it is good, and force non-exs and allow Excls from it, but still refer to it as good?
 
Q. Do we lead other sites or follow them?
To answer the question of why PP doesnt earn RCs, the answer was basically since other sites dont use a tiered system like iStock so you can't. (Other sites have set royalty rates and don't use a tiered royalty rate system like iStock, therefore you won't be entitled to receive redeemed credits for files downloaded through Partner sites.) This all seems to make a massive disocnnect when we are told often how we are part of the Getty 'family' but why doesn't our family have consistent rules among its 'partner sites' that reflects the sentiment of the family?
Why is our policy set by what other sites do/dont? What does it matter what other sites do if earning RCs is a good idea for us? Why cant RCs be earned on OUR PP? Do other sites determine our policy and we must follow their examples? 
 
Thanks for any thoughful answers to these thought provoking questions. (End of his post.)

I think he raises some good points...

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Big Change at IS
« on: August 04, 2011, 17:31 »
I'll just leave this here...


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Since I guess Lobo didn't find it funny, I'll just leave this here....

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