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« on: October 03, 2017, 11:14 »
I honestly think content is King. That old nutshell I know but it's true...
Absolutely. It's just that some people lack any form of self-awareness and cannot believe for one second that a buyer would choose a competing clip over their own.
852
« on: October 03, 2017, 11:02 »
The game has changed from one where adding new images translates into increased revenue, into one where new images are needed to keep your earnings at around the same level.
Yes, and this is true for ANY business once enough competitors discover that there is money to be made. Of course it's a bit frustrating when it used to be easy to make lots of cash without too much effort (and mediocre images were more than enough), but as always, the hard workers who don't give up succeed in the long run.
853
« on: October 03, 2017, 10:17 »
Don't know, but I would invest the time into doing it yourself.
1. It would probably not make sense financially. 2. Why trust people to keyword who have nothing to lose if the assets never sell? 3. Do you think the smartest people around would work as keyworders?
854
« on: October 03, 2017, 10:04 »
Pretty good for me - almost hit $3000. I've published my blog post as usual at
That's what I like to see. Some hard data. I'm sure some of the more sour people here will have a hard time accepting that your sales haven't gone down the toilet since 2013.
855
« on: October 03, 2017, 09:43 »
The photographers that do this for 20 years are not better just because they are in this business longer.
But they sure like to think so.
856
« on: October 03, 2017, 08:06 »
I think Pauws99 is on a different moon cycle. 
er I said the first half of September was slow....so to spell it out for the statistically challenged the second half must have picked up to have a fairly average month.........so things picking up later in the year than normal.
What does it have to do with statistics? Anyway, it was a joke. You wrote "picking" which means that something will happen in the future. Not "picked".
857
« on: October 03, 2017, 07:27 »
Images were online from the middle of october 2016 till end of march 2017.
OK, so in Dec your sales fell, which they also did for me, SpaceStockFootage and Cider Apple. And almost everyone in the business. In Feb they went up a lot. Without deleting photos... In March you deleted your photos. But in Aug your sales fell again... Did you upload photos again? There is no correlation here. Are you saying Shutterstock will take away sales two months after upload, then give some back, and after three months they will temporarily give you a "normal" month, and then take away a little more. Then after deleting pictures they will take away sales for one month. Then give back the next, and a little more the one after. But then they will take away sales 5 months after deleting, and then restore and give a bonus month 6 months after. Do you realize how this sounds? --- This is what's happening: Your sales fell, and you feel you have to find something to blame, other than your own portfolio, or competition. This is emotional. Not based on data, numbers, or facts. You can take pretty much ANY action and turn it into a conspiracy theory. Just try it. Start uploading 60p clips only, and you will see that one of three things will happen: Sales go up. Sales go down. Sales stay identical. And you can blame Shutterstock punishing or rewarding 60p uploads for either outcome.
858
« on: October 03, 2017, 07:09 »
I think Pauws99 is on a different moon cycle.
859
« on: October 03, 2017, 06:26 »
Well, I believe there is life somewhere in the universe too, so I guess that means I believe in aliens.  However, I also believe in HARD DATA, and numbers as the only basis for conclusions. Emotions and feelings always, always lie. That means graphs with data collected over a longer period of time, like a year, where you can CLEARLY see correlation and changes. Did your sales go down exactly x months after uploading the photos? Did they go back up just as much exactly x months after deleting them (adjusted for time of year)? If not, there is just nothing that connects them. --- There could be a thousand reasons for a change in sales patterns. "Change is the only constant". A certain site can suddenly spend $1,000,000 on marketing, a new big contributor with similar clips as you might upload their portfolio, your older clips with few or 0 sales might reach the age where they can no longer be found, new trends in advertising can emerge... etc. etc. In what month did you upload your images?
860
« on: October 03, 2017, 05:07 »
Thanks.
But what is your data then, that you base your theory on?
You write things like "because I uploaded images, footage sales went down". But that's just a sentence you picked out of the blue. Based on emotion. Sales would most likely have gone down even if you hadn't uploaded images, so would your conclusion then have been - "sales went down because I didn't upload any images"?
You have 12,000 clips, which is an enormous portfolio. Therefore, sales are likely to be more even than for someone with a smaller portfolio.
By the way, did your caps get temporarily lifted in September?
After 10,000 clips, it's very hard to continue to see meaningful growth, unless you dramatically increase your quality/content. 500 (good) new clips take a LONG time to make and upload, and that would still only be a 5% increase.
During the time it takes to upload 500 clips, a big part of your portfolio will have become old enough to be very hard to find.
It is almost impossible to keep increasing sales forever. Naturally. Not because someone puts a cap on your sales.
861
« on: October 03, 2017, 03:00 »
@Brightontl @Video-StockOrg
It would be easier to have a serious discussion if we could see some actual data, like the Shutterstock graphs.
862
« on: October 02, 2017, 10:52 »
863
« on: October 02, 2017, 02:19 »
@Brightontl - why don't you post a screenshot of your Shutterstock Earnings graph over the past 12 months? Spacey, Video-Stock? Anyone?
Here are mine. Videos first, then images.
By your logic, any time image sales would go up, footage sales would go down. As you can see, this is not the case. What would be the benefit for Shutterstock? If anything, they should put image sales to 0 and only give out footage sales until you reach your monthly cap. No, that's not how it works.
Here's a pattern for you (image sales first, then video):
up up down down down up up down up up down down up up down down down up up down down down
4 times they went separate ways. 7 times they went the same way. This is called natural fluctuation.
864
« on: October 01, 2017, 17:14 »
Patterns can be found ANYWHERE for a person who wants to find patterns. That is how the human brain is wired. But it doesn't mean that there are people stopping your sales. The search engines aren't that complicated - recency (when a clip was uploaded), sales, and keywords/descriptions are the main parts that determine search rank. Different agencies weight these a bit differently (more emphasis on title, or description etc.), but in general they work in the same way. Conversion can also play a small part in more advanced engines. That means a clip with 0-1 sales that is 2 years+ old is not likely to be found if there are many competing clips for the same keywords. A clip with many sales will continue to be found until enough newer, competing clips have been uploaded that match the number of sales, but have a more recent upload date. This is the main reason why you can't just leave your portfolio and expect sales to stay the same. It is also the reason why you need to keep uploading more and more material just to stay at the same level. Especially people who have older portfolios can experience a drop as their older clips with few sales become virtually invisible. The first two years everything was relatively new, and the upload rate is often the biggest at that time too, which is why a rapid increase in sales can be seen. This will not last forever. --- You're very welcome to dive deeper into the cap theories. It's a waste of time, but go ahead.  If it was even remotely true, everyone would have the same earnings per clip. But we all know that's not true. I guess they just pick a select few contributors that they want to cap. Just because.
865
« on: October 01, 2017, 14:48 »
Of course this pattern can only be experienced by people who started uploading only video, then after a while decided to add photos.
...and only people with forum names starting with B and V. Why are my monthly sales not the same every month, and not capped? Did they just pick you because of unknown reasons?
866
« on: October 01, 2017, 13:43 »
So... zero correlation then.
You're just making things up out of the blue I'm afraid.
Do you have the sales graphs (last 12 months) to show that on the exact date you uploaded images, sales went down.
I mean... You can't seriously say that after 5 months, sales went down, and THAT is the reason.
867
« on: October 01, 2017, 13:24 »
but the worst thing is, that after deleting the images, caps lowered even worse than before starting uploading images. The September is the first month after the deleting since we are seeing our video clips shine like they used to. It was a nightmare year.
So... sales went down when uploading images. And also when deleting images. You contradict yourself. And then, in September, when EVERYBODY'S sales go up after the summer, that is of course because you deleted your images a few months earlier. I am speechless.
868
« on: October 01, 2017, 12:46 »
Yes, one blog post who writes "kinda" in a serious article. The conspiracy is proven! We can all rest now. So, if the sales would have gone up, everything would have been normal. No correlation to images, right? Classic example of "sales go up - I'm good", "sales go down - it must be the company's fault". It is quite entertaining to read, however. --- You do realize three things can happen: Sales stay exactly the same, sales go up, or sales go down. That they stay exactly the same is less likely than the other two scenarios. If you bark at a cat tomorrow, your sales may go down, up, or stay the same. I'm sure you can find a blog post where the writer barked at a cat and sales immediately plummeted.  --- Maybe you just uploaded less video clips since you were busy with images and that was the reason? Maybe sales always fluctuate, up or down, no matter what? Maybe the CEO of Shutterstock reads this forum and decides he doesn't like certain people and punishes them? --- You WILL NOT be able to increase your earnings in all eternity despite how much you upload. It doesn't work like that. There is a FINITE number of customers (more or less). When you reach a certain portfolio size, your earnings will not continue to increase nearly as much as when you started. Or at all. At some point, uploading is necessary just to maintain sales. Or even to prevent a bigger fall in sales (due to files getting older, less relevant, etc. etc.). This happens naturally, without caps.
869
« on: October 01, 2017, 08:10 »
Thanks, makes more sense, and more like my stats.
I find that views are generally very low on Pond5, but sales to views higher than some other places.
870
« on: October 01, 2017, 05:26 »
It's just that certain people complain about caps or have conspiracy theories on every single forum I visit (not specifically talking about you Brightontl). The odd thing is that somehow, the evil companies always seem to single them out and punish them, not allowing them to grow. They complain about the same, or lower sales despite bigger portfolios, and don't realize you have to grow your portfolio faster/better than the competition. Not just grow it compared to itself.
The thing is that I have never experienced any caps myself, and I sell a lot of things at a lot of different places.
It's human nature to try to look for patterns here and there, when there are none.
I don't doubt that certain sites change up their algorithms a couple of times a month, but I don't believe for one second that they single out particular contributors and put a cap on their accounts.
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Anyway, $1,000 per month is great and I don't see why you need to look for something to blame. The more sales you have, the less the monthly total will vary. It's how things work.
871
« on: September 30, 2017, 12:08 »
$930 from $1,000 is not a significant enough change to draw any conclusions at all.
A "dynamic" cap is not a cap.
872
« on: September 30, 2017, 07:40 »
Drink responsibly. And have a beer for the rest of us.
873
« on: September 30, 2017, 06:43 »
I know its a long term problem, but i think it is ok to complain to them all the time about it. Maybe they will speed things up a little bit 
Haha, yes, one can only hope. To me, this seems like something anyone with access to the database could fix in about 30 minutes. Or less.
874
« on: September 30, 2017, 06:22 »
Haha, thanks, I didn't mean for you to do a bunch of heavy calculations, just look at the Pond5 Dashboard - Statistics. Period - All time. That's the quick way to get the monthly average for ALL clips, which is what I'm looking at now.
875
« on: September 30, 2017, 02:06 »
It depends on what type of clip (talking video here), but generally, if it's meant to be a "wow" clip, and used mostly for its visual effect rather than to depict a certain event or location, I spend A LOT of time on it.
To me, it seems to pay off, since those clips that look really impressive (quite heavily color graded, retouched) sell 10-20 times more than others.
In my opinion, the right post processing can change a good asset into a bestseller.
Almost no bestseller (from any contributor) in the nature/landscape category is close to "straight out of camera".
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If it's a clip where the event itself is the main focus, the look is less important.
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