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« on: December 13, 2024, 12:18 »
There is no one central AI machine that you are referring to that is fantasy text mixing machine or fantasy pixel mixing machine There are many AI models that are developed by different companies, that are focused on different tasks, have different performance capabilities and intelligence. You are judging a whole AI from experience from only one platform (visuals) The image generating AI model that you use is not the same model that US government will use for drones or Stanford healthcare is using for diagnostics. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9777836/
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« on: December 13, 2024, 11:39 »
I think you have been watching too many science fiction movies. And are probably also not working with ai to create anything.
I use image ai every single day and 90 % is still not usable, unless you rework in photoshop and edit many details.
Most importantly there is absolutely no intelligence in ai.
It is fantasy pixel mixing machine and needs human input every step of the way.
It cannot draw hands correctly because it has absolute zero understanding what a hand is or how it works.
It keeps creating weird hybrid animals, plants, strange furniture with too many legs because even the slightest understanding for the real world is completely missing. It does not know what a chair is, what a flower is, what an animal is, what a piece of cheese is.
Technology evolves much more slowly than people keep assuming.
It is 2024 and we are still typing on keyboards, using a mouse or trackpen.
We are not magically moving 3d holograms or using our minds directly to beam texts into our computers.
I grew up in a small town that had the first ever museum for holographic art in the 1980s.
We all thought that this would be the future of photography and obviously by now all photo art would be holographic.
Really, the best way to stop being terrified of ai is to simply use it.
It is not a magic machine stealing your soul.
It is a very imperfect and time intensive tool that has improved very little in the last two years.
It is also not self learning, it constantly needs dataset training and human software changes to improve.
Self learning and recognizing mistakes is the basis of actual intelligence.
The pixel mixer does not have that.
Ive just finished listening to a couple of presentations by leading AI visionaries and AI engineers in Silicon Valley. We live in very interesting time and disruption that AI will bring in the next 5 years will be mind blowing, so its understandable that you are skeptical. Lets follow the money, since people dont invest because of science fiction, but for return on their investment. Dan Ives, managing director and senior equity research analyst at Wedbush Securities said Now we are seeing a $1 trillion of AI Capex over the next three years as OpenAI has been the linchpin to AI success and adoption we are seeing at Nvidia, Microsoft, Google, and across the tech world, $6.6 billion was raised in the first funding round of a privately held AI startup called Open AI (ChatGpt) Its the largest venture capital deal of all time, which values the company at $157 billion. It makes OpenAI among the highest-valued private companies in the world. OpenAI now is worth more than 87% of the S&P 500 companies. (Let it sync in) Company is operating in 2024 on losses of $5 billion, but it targets $11.6 billion in annual revenue in 2025. You are referring to one of the AI models that generates photos and art for you. I hope you dont think that companies are investing billions of dollars in AI because it can generate photos, Art, or write a book? Customer support, efficiency, transportation, finance, Healthcare and military technology are the focus. The primarily plan to monetize AI technology through a subscription model, however Open AI company already shifted away from the not for profit approach and signed a military contract with the government. The company says it will partner with the defense-tech company Anduril, a maker of AI-powered drones, radar systems, and missiles, to help US and allied forces defend against drone attacks. Venture capital firms more than doubled their investment in defense tech in 2021, to $40 billion, after firms like Anduril and Palantir proved that with some persuasion (and litigation), the Pentagon would pay handsomely for new technologies after White House issued its National Security Memorandum on AI, which ordered the Pentagon and other agencies to ramp up their use of AI, in part to the competition from China. In healthcare it already been proven that convolution neural network (CNN) DL algorithms can extract features, followed by the training and testing of an ML-based classifier to produce a superior classification [39,40]. Recently, CVD risk and coronary artery calcium scores have been predicted using retinal images [41,42]. Predictions of diabetic retinopathy (DR) have been made using ML and DL-based systems [43,44,45,46]. Therefore, AI-based systems make it possible to examine the risk of stroke and CVD diseases and the need for human intervention [47]. The use of AI-based algorithms in specific carotid ultrasonography applications has shown promise [48,49]. Therefore, these AI-based models may be used in patient risk evaluation to jointly treat diabetic retinopathy (DR) and CVD illnesses [50]. Its important to understand that currently there is no central AI that fiction writers predicted. Instead there are many AI models that are focused on different tasks. (The image generating AI model that you use is not the same model that US government will use for drones or Stanford healthcare is using for diagnostics) In 2025 companies will develop even smaller more task targeted AI models (SLMs) to make AI cheaper to run and seemingly reduce dependencies on OpenAI. In 2025 development will be SLMs bots talking to SLMs bots about AI tools and how they can help improve operational efficiency. Think of them like different apps on your phone for different tasks with different customer ratings and satisfaction. General public wouldnt even notice that they are AI bots. The information is out there, its groundbreaking and mind blowing and some may not be ready to believe it, but its still happening . (Blockbuster also didnt believe that they would be out of business and just didnt adjust fast enough to keep up with new technology ) PS: A friendly joke: I think you are c 1 s 1 iw 3 sref current and Imc 100 s 1000 iw 0 sref future 
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« on: December 13, 2024, 11:32 »
@Mifornia I believe the 100 page limit you say is simply the maximum limit that can be displayed when viewing your port,not the maximum limit of files you can have on an account.
If I remember correctly,the maximum content limit for an account is one million,but only the first 100 pages are always displayed,the top 100 pages of best-selling content and new content.
creating AI content that sells is at least as difficult as creating real content that sells.
in my opinion AI is just starting both in the creative sector and in any other use.
In reality we are still at the beginning of everything regarding technology in general,and also regarding everything else including common sense! 
think that the first real application of an incandescent light bulb dates back to about 150 years ago,that is,just yesterday!
in my opinion,we are still prehistoric beings who do not know they are,and we actually think we are evolved.
we just need to look at everything that is happening in the world to make us realize how much we still haven't understood anything and we still have to learn how to behave.
AI image/video generators are nothing more than tools,there will always be space and need for real content,they are different subjects that can serve in different ways.
Thank you for your explanation
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« on: December 12, 2024, 23:06 »
People will always want capture real events and people with cameras.
That quote has different meaning depending what year its applied to: 1920, 1970, 2000, 2024, or 2030? Photography, is much younger than traditional art, yet evolved quite a bit, especially with better smartphones. AI will evolve it even more and we will have phones that will achieve the same quality as professional photographers currently do with very expensive cameras. We just need a fast affordable phone chip and AI technology for upscaling that photo right on the phone. Plus all in one editing phone apps that will allow professional quality photo edits. I bet Adobe is working on one now. Anyone will be able to take, edit and post professional quality photos in a few years. The question will be only composition and new ideas. Video Killed the Radio Star AI killed photography and art
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« on: December 12, 2024, 22:26 »
art and photography is not AIs future, AI is already devalued visuals. Its done. Just 2 years ago this forum was filled with people who believed that customers will boycott AI yet best sellers are filled with AI now. Using professional cameras and paints will be as foreign to next generation as riding horse carriages. There will be no point, only few wealthy will spend their money on that.
( what % of traditional artists can draw/paint correct fingers? Probably same amount as AI prompters who can generate correct hands and natural people. Yet, it can be done now )
AI future is warfare , transportation, and healthcare
Particularly macro bots that will be available in next 5 years to be injected in to your bloodstream to monitor personalized for your needs health issues to prevent problems. Life saving and even delayed aging will be possible with AI macro bots. (For those who dont want to use AI in your healthcare, dont do Invisiline or crowns, since scan is done with AI for several years already, etc.)
Smart AI macro bots will be able to boost your IQ up to 100 times and you can finish 12 grades or PHD in a year or less, learn a new language in a day, etc.. Unfortunately, macro bots will further increase the difference of income, since not everyone will be able to afford them. So itll be wealthy people who will make a lot of money with their careers when macro bots will come out.
People use to cling to old technology like rotary phones, and said they didnt need a mobile or smartphone, yet who is using pagers now?
PS: I can draw perfect classical hands and teach you to do that, in case AI will fail 😉 if China and Russsia will stop exporting the rare minerals that needed for AI chip production or US will not reopen nuclear power plants that are needed for massive AI computing.
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« on: December 12, 2024, 21:44 »
I would be very careful about deleting files. Agencies don't like that and customers who have lightboxed these files for a future project like it it even less.
What do people do after they reach 100 pages? Do they delete old images to upload new ones ?
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« on: November 10, 2024, 04:57 »
Hi Artist,
I have a same problem as you. Some of my unique images were copied numerous of times with same long specific description and keywords. There are 200 pages of same image in search on Adobe, with almost no difference between them because they all use only one image (mine) for a source and there is no similar other in concept and style for learning.
I guess if I complain to Adobe, they will say that there is no proof that they are using my image as source, it is AI... (?!)
My income from adobe is decreased and these images are no longer best sellers.
I also notice many portfolios with AI images on Shutterstock and some of them are best sellers on first page!
Making original images is time consuming, but I also put a time and effort to describe and keyword them and they just copy paste it from me. I'm furious and I'm so demotivated to create new content for thieves.
Same here. I saw one port who copied mine and others images on a bestseller list, I watched it grew fast to 100 pages. Im still at 30 pages. people who are using AI to copy images of other contributors are inflicting the most damage.
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« on: November 10, 2024, 04:38 »
some of my AI photos get approved in one day, others are sitting there for 3+ months. Probably depends on the unique of the image and demand. However, agree that it takes time for images to be picked up in search.
I wonder if Adobe introduced AI search?
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« on: November 09, 2024, 04:04 »
Don't think that spamming is the future.
On average lightning, composition and colors of AI images is better than classic microstock images.
Before AI most of the images have been just good enough for sale. With AI lots of the images are at the level of best sellers.
There is no change in algos, it has been always like this. Images are replaced in search results with better performing images.
Spamming is just more low quality of the same.
There must have been an algo change. It's not possible that for over a year I've been in the 200-400 range EVERY SINGLE week, and now just in 2 week times I got kicked into positions 700-800. Last year September and October were my all-time best months. This year October earnings were 40% lower than October year before.
ditto!
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« on: November 08, 2024, 15:02 »
I still have some old pictures to aprove, but the new uploads are reviewed now within max 3 days, most of them within 48 hours, some even within less than 24 hours. yesterday I uploaded a bunch of pictures (60) and they are reviewed already.
Same here. Review time is 2-3 days for AI images. But it initially took 4 weeks and everytime something got reviewed, I uploaded more and the review time subsequently reduced everytime. Although with Adobe Stock most review processes seem random, I am seeing consistent review times within 2-3 days if you daily upload once something gets reviewed and I don't think this is an coincidence. Looks more to me as some mechanism to review bigger contributor faster. Yes, there are some occasionally images that get lost in limbo, some are stuck in moderation for 6 months, but that is the minority. The big bulk gets reviewed fast.
thats exactly what i think... the more you upload, the faster it gets. yesterday i had 20 pictures reviewed within 1 hour and 95% success rate.
Yes, so may be Spamming is the future?
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« on: November 08, 2024, 14:40 »
I just wanted to confirm a sudden drop in sales for long term high ranked contributors. In last two weeks I fell from about 150th place weekly to around 250th. Sales down from 200 a day to 140 a day.
Constant uploads, mix of real and AI. I have been at Adobe (Fotolia) since about 2008.
Very discouraging, must have been some change in algorithm.
Is it already confirmed that Adobe has changed the algorithm? There was perhaps some larger discussion about this on the Adobe Stock discord? Since the end of August I've been seeing declines in my weekly earnings and weekly position, and the last 2 weeks have been downright dramatic! Since September 2023, my weekly position has regularly fluctuated between 200 and 400 and my earnings have oscillated between $500 and $700, averaging $560 per week during that period.
The last 2 weeks have seen a drop to almost 800 position and earnings of only 350 and 325. I can already see this week ain't gonna be any better. I completely don't understand this, because until now I have never had such large swings, and Adobe Stock is a full-time job for me. I will mention that the daily amount of stock I upload has been constant for a long time 
Ditto. It must be ann algorithm change? If it was competition from AI, then the decline in sales was gradual, not a sudden change for several contributors in the last few months - AI is not new, its been around for the last 2 years with lots of contributors. (This spring I was on the best sellers list and never was beyond 4,000 now Im drastically sliding down as well to 16,000. Last autumn was the best season for me. This time barely anything got sold) One thing that I can guess is the algorithm favors contributors who submit a lot of content and it doesnt have to be a quality or even a selling content. Thats why I think AI contributors get more spotlight than traditional photography or illustration. I would be very curious to see how Adobe will deal with thousands of AI ports that upload a lot compare to contributors who upload seldom in small amounts. Maybe spamming is the future?
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« on: October 21, 2024, 19:37 »
Im sliding deeper in to nowhere.
You are right, bestsellers dont sell as well as before, and various images get just a dribble of sales.
That scenario is not for me, since I put too much work in each image and have a small port. What I sell is ideas that do take time to develop. Its unfortunate, I cant do speed and numbers.
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« on: October 17, 2024, 14:52 »
Very disappointed...
13.10.2023 - 9.697 files (this week position) 2.890 / (life time position) 11.500
13.10.2024 - 11.817 files (this week position) 16.350 / (life time position) 10.200
And sales have also fallen continuously.
sorry to see that its happening to you. Is it possible that you had several bestsellers that were featured somewhere and then taken down, to be replaced with newer content?
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« on: October 17, 2024, 14:51 »
Very disappointed...
13.10.2023 - 9.697 files (this week position) 2.890 / (life time position) 11.500
13.10.2024 - 11.817 files (this week position) 16.350 / (life time position) 10.200
And sales have also fallen continuously.
Is it possible that you had several bestsellers that were featured somewhere and then taken down, to be replaced with newer content? Thats what happened to me (I think) when I went from 800 to 7,000
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« on: October 08, 2024, 10:49 »
@mifornia
Your experience is what has me terrified. If good files now only have one good season and cannot become reliable longterm sellers, then my job is toast.
Building reliable income needs longterm income.
So, we will see what happens.
I truly hope that my experience is not a reflection of things to come. Ill be curious to see if your last year Christmas bestsellers will sell well this year. May be Adobes search engine changed to focus on newer images and fade out the older ones. I attached my years screenshot before, but here is another one. You can see that my sales are 1/3 of last season. Last summer I was on Weekly Best Sellers several times. This summer, crickets
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« on: October 07, 2024, 20:23 »
This should be the time of year when things really pick up, half my income comes from the last 3 months. So slow days make me really nervous.
Amazing! Im the opposite, I have no Christmas images. August , September and October were my best months last year and position of 800! This year, it sucks, 1/3 of what I did on August , September and October of last year position around 6,000 I started to notice on Weekly Best Sellers accounts with 100 pages of AI and 20,000+ sales! Thats quite impressive
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« on: October 05, 2024, 10:46 »
I have already recovered 10,000 positions this week,by the end of the week I will have already recovered another 10,000 positions.
in just one day this week,I sold last week's total.
Can you please clarify? Are you bouncing lets say from position 60,000 to 50,000 and next week to 40,000 and then to 30,000 and so on? Majority of posters positions are below 10,000, correct?
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« on: September 26, 2024, 21:30 »
Something changed: seems that only some of my images get approved regardless when they were submitted: a few could be approved in days, but others sit for months dont see much logic to it either
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« on: September 20, 2024, 10:40 »
Should we expect firefly bonus this year?
i see copies of my best seller renderings all over Adobe, even same title and keywords. 
I agree with you. My bestsellers also got copied by a dozen other accounts with exact same keywords and descriptions. With current AI it is that easy and it shows that copies are made by AI. My sales are significantly down and its disappointing. I dont know what to do about it either, since copies are not identical, but close enough (nope, I will not post my bestsellers here so more people will copy them, but they were selling 30+ times per day before copies appeared, now its 2-3 sales only)
How did you find the copycat files?
Put in the first 3-5 words of your description in to search.
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« on: September 17, 2024, 20:24 »
$283 thank you Adobe!
Adobe is doing more than other agencies, Adobe is paying for AI training, while others dont pay at all.
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« on: September 17, 2024, 20:18 »
Should we expect firefly bonus this year?
i see copies of my best seller renderings all over Adobe, even same title and keywords.
I agree with you. My bestsellers also got copied by a dozen other accounts with exact same keywords and descriptions. With current AI it is that easy and it shows that copies are made by AI. My sales are significantly down and its disappointing. I dont know what to do about it either, since copies are not identical, but close enough (nope, I will not post my bestsellers here so more people will copy them, but they were selling 30+ times per day before copies appeared, now its 2-3 sales only)
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« on: September 10, 2024, 11:47 »
Selling images on different stock sites might not be diversifying, its still in the same category. Selling images on FAA or Etsy would be diversifying and may protect you if stock industry would be outsourced to creators in 3rd world countries who would use AI to create everything and be happy with lower prices
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« on: September 10, 2024, 11:39 »
You are boosting the theory that anyone who started uploading 20 years ago has a forever advantage in the algos.
I have a doubt in this theory as well. Since I was in 800 position after only 4 months of uploading very few files. However, I do have a question, what does the lifetime position mean? Im 12,000 something now. Whats yours? May be it does point to the length of being a contributor and adds to the formula somehow?
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« on: September 10, 2024, 11:28 »
It seems that some people are getting images reviewed and others seem to get buried never to be seen again, I am wondering if it is worth deleting images and resubmitting them to get them back up the top of the Q?
What about deleting already approved images?
It has worked for me on a handful of occasions in the past to resubmit the stuck files and they have been reviewed more quickly. But there is no need to delete the older ones first, you can delete them if the newer ones get reviewed. Otherwise I would leave the older ones there in case they get reviewed first, and then I would delete the newer ones.
Deletion of uploaded files is treated same as file rejection and effects on your stats and sales.
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« on: September 07, 2024, 09:58 »
Some of my AI images get reviewed the same day, but hand painted png illustrations take up to 3 weeks. Traditional photography takes 1-2 months to review and dont sell as well as AI for me.
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