Quote from: FranckM on October 25, 2023, 10:02

Quote from: stoker2014 on October 25, 2023, 09:53

Quote from: FranckM on October 25, 2023, 07:50

2018x1080 : 50.61%

I never thought that anyone would need something like this.

i made a mistake sorry it's 2048x1080

It doesn't matter, it's not HD or 4K. It�s strange that buyers need this format.
Are you specifically exporting videos to this format? Does your camera shoot in this format?

I upload two kind of footage 4096x2160 and 3840x2160, I think 2048x1080 is the converted version in hd of the 4096x2160

Quote from: FranckM on October 25, 2023, 07:50

2018x1080 : 50.61%

I never thought that anyone would need something like this.

i made a mistake sorry it's 2048x1080

I looked at the prices. Subscription stock. But the price is much higher than that of well-known competitors. Why should customers buy a subscription from you if for $16 a month the buyer gets full unlimited access on other similar sites.
Such prices may only be of interest if your site has exclusive content.

@stoker2014
there is a BIG DIFFERENCE for us : with subscription whatever how many movie you produce per year you have to pay every month while ours packages have no expiration date, if you take 5 years to download your 500 clips it's your problem, you only pay for what you use and not for what you might use

let's be honest, what unlimited subscription offers it's not a true unlimited, you're limited to a number of download per day, for example artlist, it's 20 music per day or week i don't remenber and they say unlimited..maybe we don't have the same definition of unlimited lol

I just took a look at your site. As usual I did a search in my area of knowledge and only one image showed up and it was not footage of the search I typed. You will have to up your game if you expect talent to come on board.

@f8
you make me curious  what is your speciality ? of course we don't have all the footage, we try to have diversity but this is also why we open the door to few partners which have different type of footage.

Ok, so what you are saying is, 'an upfront payment from the price of the package, not on the number of download made', plus 'individual sales', plus customer referral bonuses, plus profit share. I'm still not sure what the first two equates to. You may need to give people some examples.


I would love to see someone start an agency who understands the premium market for stock video (and photos), and yes, there are some mid-stock agencies who are doing that - and not keep perpetuating the perception of cheap footage.

It would be about marketing their agency to premium buyers, at premium prices - and playing to their strengths. Number 1 strength is: it is NOT AI. Discerning buyers can tell the difference, and don't want cheap imitations. One doesn't have to sell clips for $500/clip like Shutterstock Select, even though there is a reason why SS is doing that (higher profit margins compensate for bargain-basement deals).  One could go back to the original market value of around $70/HD clip, plus higher pricing for 4K and extra seats, before the agencies introduced video subs. AI is only competing with Microstock, not with Premium stock. At least not at this stage. (Touch wood).

And who knows, Midjourney may even have their pants sued off. I am also a member of the Australian Society of Authors and keeping up with the development of authors' lawsuits against AI agencies. And who knows, AI might take a completely different turn if they get hit with too many lawsuits. (Wish we had something like that for photographers).


I understand your situation, FranckM, and commend your efforts, and my comments are not just for you. Its your agency and you can do what you like, we all wish you luck, and right now you are probably regretting ever posting this thread. lol.

@Annie2022
I don't regret anything, quite the contrary, I find that the discussions here are structured, constructed and detailed and it's super interesting!

even if I agree that AI must be legally regulated in terms of copyright, I admit that I have difficulty seeing today in which direction it will go. I just hope that artists will be protected.

sorry if i was not clear enough about the pricing and the contributor earnings. We have two offers on our website, you can buy a single clip (39$ in HD or 99$ in 4k) or you can buy a package of 500 clips (299$ Creator pack, 990$ Pro pack, 4990$ Partner), we redistribute 37% of sales to the contributors, i think it's quite easy to calculate 

This looks very cheap, or have I missed something?

I do see an issue with you hating the subscription method but you yourself have priced the clips directly into that category. You can download 500 clips for 990 euros. So thats 1.98 per download. Minus 50% leaves the contributor with 0.99 per download. Thats not taking in the fact that a partner can pay 5000 but after that can have (free) downloads forever.

Unless my numbers are wrong then your selling an idea that contributors could potentially receive the $100+ for a single download from times gone by when realistically it's under a dollar.

You are a producer so you know the price cost of filming, equipment, etc...right?
Now here is the problem: I know the price of things there in Andorra and you cannot even buy a coffee to the contributor after you made a premium clip sale to him. Are you following my point?

in short: It's not cheap subs but it's cheap deal for a contributor point of view.

In the kind of way, if you make a ratio between price and number of clip, yes you're right it's cheap, 0.99� for hd clip but... we make it in a different way and maybe i didn't explain it well.

What the contributors will recieve is an upfront payment from the price of the package, not on the number of download made, whatever the client download your footage or not (@Evaristo: i think you can buy a coffee with this  ) + plus the percentage on the individual sells.
Something I also didn't say is that each of our contributors automatically becomes an affiliate and if they bring in customers they will earn a percentage of all the customer's purchases for their lifetime.
We are not thinking in the same way than the other platforms, we are not thinking in term of unknown contributor, we are thinking in term of partner and that's why we are looking only for few contributors. That's why, as I mentionned earlier, we also provide stock options of the plateform after 2 years of collaboration.

We also manage all the metadata part (title, description, keyword,..) to allow you to focus only on your creativity. You just have to upload your footage and wait for your earnings (and besides we don't ask for exclusivity).

We also provide datas and informations about the activity on the platform, we provide also help if needed in post production and contact with our partner for equipment to allow our contributors to improve their next production.

Our goal is not to become the new Shutterstock, we want exclusive relation with our contributors, we want Human relation.

Let us know when there will be sales on your site and the authors will start receiving income. Then I'll think about registering.

@stocker2014 : we just launch the website now and we are going to launch advertising campaign in the coming days but even without this we already start to have sells. we can talk in private if you want more informations


About AI, i'm more agree with @stockmaan, i mean why the platform will need contributors if their clients have the possibilities to create whatever they want just by typing few words ? you can play as much as you want with firefly, but if the client can do it by themself who gonna buy your "creation" ? In my opinion you're just training the tool that will take your job soon.

I'm 40 years old, a film producer for 12 years and I've been a contributor since 2017 on the main platforms (Shutter, Adobe, Getty, Pond5 and a few others).

At the beginning, business was growing quite well, but the main platforms have become less and less fair and I can no longer keep quiet!
Year after year, all these platforms have changed the game and the rules of the game, without ever consulting us, without consulting the people who make them money, because yes without contributors these platforms would never exist!

I will spare you the details that you all know: change in their policy of paying contributors as they wish, implementation of level systems based on the number of sales that we make, subscription system which penalizes the contributor, etc . In short, a huge lack of consideration for the work of all filmmakers, photographers, designers etc... To summarize, a turnover which decreases by 25% despite a higher number of downloads! And the icing on the cake now: AI

I hardly dare mention the reviews of the files, which are immeasurably absurd, for example, I sent two videos from the same series at the same time, same camera, same format, same resolution, etc. .. one file was accepted, the other refused for poor resolution! it's the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What is the goal except to make you crazy and lose time? Or maybe they have a number of rejection they have to do to be able to say �yeah we have curated footage!��

And now the AI: after reducing contributor payouts so their investors could make more millions, they all said, "NO AI ACCEPTED"...and now what do they do?? They each create their own image generator!!!
Adobe was the only transparent and honest one for me, from the start they accepted AI images developed alongside Firefly, but Shutterstock, Getty, who said NO AI IMAGERY and have now launched their own AI!! WHAT PURPOSE?? Remove all contributors? Earn more money? Destroy creativity? And what's more, all their communication is now mainly focused on AI!! Proud to show that they have over millions of AI generated images, millions of images that the photographer probably has in their portfolio and won't sell.

I got more than fed up with all this, so I created my own archive site to no longer depend on these people, a platform created by filmmakers for filmmakers.
https://footage.film/

I decide to go in the exact opposite direction of them:

- They created a subscription that customers pay for every month hoping that you won't use all your credits or worse, you forgot that you have a subscription on their platform and continue paying for something you don't use. So, on my site, NO SUBSCRIPTION, only a clip package with NO EXPIRATION date, you get what you pay for, it's simple! If you pay for 500 clips, you get 500 clips no matter how long it takes you to download them, 10 days or 5 years, that's for you to decide

And you know what ? I also created a lifetime offer, if you invest and believe in us, you deserve it so you will have unlimited download access to our platform for the rest of your life!

- They jack up the price of the license if you want to use it for TV or film etc. So many licenses for so many uses! Please can you make things more complicated to make sure we make a mistake and thus be able to ask for more money?? So for me I keep things simple, ONE LICENCE for all media, viewers, worldwide and timeless. Creators should be able to focus on their creativity and not on these kinds of details.

- LESS but GOOD: we upload only curated content, and we organize them !!!! Who wants to spend 10 hours searching for one image or video in the middle of millions of footage that are unusable??

So if you want to be part of the change, say stop to all these big companies selling our works for pennies, and start believing that your work deserves a platform that understands what a filmmaker's job is. Visit us, support us, and why not join us 😉and if you just want to take a look and leave a comment, big or small, you have my eternal gratitude🙏


Franck
https://footage.film/

nice video !! i following to see more

Most of them don't allow to take picture inside.

I remember i did one shooting in a mall in manilla with dji ronin and red helium, so not really discreet 

I started my shooting normally in the middle of the mall like i had all the permission. Nobody came before 1h.
After 1h, one guy came and asked me if i had the permisssion and i said "oh sorry i didn't know that we need it !" and he asked to stop.

But i didn't finish my shoot so i went in an other place of the mall (there are so big in philippines) and continu shooting. From this moment started a race between them and me! as soon as i saw a guard coming to me i moved to another place till i finish my shoot. at the end there was like 4 or 5 guard trying to find me and the model haha.

hopefully they didn't catch me and i started to sold the footage pretty well !

so never give up !!!!

ha mais il y a du monde un peu !

juste par curiosit� (je suis pas le seul � l'�tre apparement ), vous �tes parti � l'�tranger pour des raisons de coup de production ou pour raisons personnelles ?

@BalkanskiMacak : quand tu dis un de mes portfolios, �a veut dire que tu as plusieurs comptes diff�rents ?

y-a-t-il un int�r�t � s�parer ses "activit�s" par exemple un compte motion design, un autre lifestyle a�rien, etc.. ?

i use it ! very good software and very powerfull.