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Hell no. It is a lot easier and much faster to take a good series of pictures and videos with a camera than to do stuff with ai.

At least for me.

It depends on what you do.

I only take photographs of real landscapes in the field, but I don't know what future I can have.

In my case (landscape and travel), creating images with AI is incredibly cheaper and faster than buying quality photography equipment, traveling to the most profitable locations, and hoping that the weather conditions are good. And then, often, you have to do double exposures and a lot of post-production work for sunrises and sunsets, if you want your images to be sold (On average I spend 30 minutes to an hour of post-production to create a photograph that sells well).

Snapshots don't sell.

A professional buyer still buys real landscapes because he knows how to recognize them, but what AI does for many is good enough and will lead to a future of mediocrity and falsity for commercial landscape and travel photography.

The biggest problem is that, if agencies do not give privileged space to real images, these will be lost in the noise of those made with, AI because the latter will be produced at much higher rates. Sitting at a desk, in one afternoon, I can create 50 AI images of the most beautiful locations in the world without leaving home.

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AI does so many great things. Why not use it to detect these thieves? I don't think it's difficult ...

And then I believe that to enter these agencies from now, you have to pass a very tough entry test of 100 images, to guarantee quality for subscribers and to guarantee REAL contributors.

90% of Shutterstock images are snapshots or stolen images. The quality of the offer has deteriorated a lot.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is Shutterstock dead?
« on: February 19, 2024, 10:41 »
It is a total game over for all stock producer. This will no longer exist in 5 years at most.

Unfortunately I think you are right. But I believe stock agencies will continue to do good business by cutting costs on us.

Total revenue are increasing



And the revenue per download increased to $4.76 in Q3 2023 (my RPD in Q3 2023 was $0.68 ... so 15% of revenue is for me and 85% for Shutterstock ... the "fair subscrition model" ... >:( ...)

Now it's a win-lose-win game.

Win (stock agencies)-Lose (us, stock producer)-Win (customers, who with new subscriptions spend less money on images and videos compared to years ago)

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POD sites such as Fine Art America (where many of my best-sellers have been selling for 10+ years)

Right, you sell well on FAA because you signed up 10 years ago. Their algorithm favors authors who have been registered for a long time.

Just take a look at this page: https://fineartamerica.com/recentprintsales.html

There are almost always the same authors. And if you check the registration date it's almost always 2010-2014... You can do well on FAA if you do a lot of marketing yourself, but it's very very difficult (But at that point I advise you to open your own website and do marketing by sponsoring your site and not your FAA profile).

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I have about 1000 files in the various PODs, but sales are poor everywhere.

I noticed that almost all agencies (but especially FAA and Society6) always sell the same images, the ones that have been at the top of searches for 10 years.

And now there is also a lot of competition (I think due to videos on YouTube about passive income).

I think the best choice is to sell through your website (perhaps by printing in dropshipping) but it takes years and excellent marketing made up of quality content through blogs, social media, and paid ads.

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I'm curious to see the Q4 2023 financial report.

In Q3 2023 Shutterstock lost 56,000 subscribers from 2022 (from 607,000 to 551,000 at the end of September) and 6.4 million paid downloads (from 42.8 to 36.2)

Seeing the results of these first 40 days of 2024 I believe it has lost many more customers. Perhaps there could be some changes in their business model.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: This month's sales
« on: January 18, 2024, 10:28 »
40% of my port is seasonal content that only wakes up end of the year. I usually make more than half my income in the last 2-3 months.

What was unusual this time is that September, October only had a slow rise, then November went up a lot and I landed on the Adobe bestsellerlist. That seems to have boosted the port again and December I just kept on having sales until new year. Usually it all falls off middle of December. Also had a lot of additional sales of non seasonal content in December.

It was very unusual. Now I am down to a weekly rank of 3800.


Thanks so much cobalt for the explanation. In fact it is truly incredible to have these differences!

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General Stock Discussion / Re: This month's sales
« on: January 05, 2024, 12:26 »

Reached a weekly rank of 253 for a brief moment, now back down to 1040.

Basically from next to nothing to months with several hundred and one month over 1800 dollars with 2-3k files.


Did you really have this incredible increase in earnings or did I read it wrong?  :o

I had read your September and October earnings on Adobe and they were good (250-300 dollars), but a far cry from $1800 in one month!


Sept 23 it was 243 dollars with around 2800 files. For October Adobe is already 219 dollars. Christmastime.


How can you increase your earnings from 250 to 1800 dollars a month in such a short time?  :o



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Shutterstock.com / Re: Happy Reset!
« on: December 31, 2023, 09:32 »
 :D

Better to laugh about it ...

I've been a full-time stock travel photographer for 13 years, and 2024 could be my last year to do this job (full-time). Maybe it's time to find other opportunities ...

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Off Topic / Re: I will never use AI
« on: November 26, 2023, 13:57 »
Let's not confuse generative AI content with AI software.
 
The copyright problem is gigantic for generative AI content and affects little-known authors.

I agree 100% with Wilm.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: New files don't sell
« on: November 15, 2023, 08:44 »
Yes, I confirm.

I have about 5000 files on Shutterstock, and I started in 2012. I sent 400 images this year, and the "2023 file earnings" are 1.4% of the total.

When I sent 400-500 images in 2012-2015, they sold $5000 in the first year and $7000 in the second year ($12000 in the first two years). Today, I can't earn $300 in the first year... and my quality level has grown significantly recently.

Now I'm wondering if it's still worth sending new images.  :-\

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Producing 100 images with AI takes just two or three hours?

do you mean to generate unfinished images,just prompts?yes,you can do even more in 2-3 hours,but the work is just started.

I just sent 10 AI images to Adobe and it took me 2 days!


I'm no expert, but I see that many succeed.

They may not be the best images in the world but it is possible to take 100 images in 2.5 hours. Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cS9N4NqEIs

If I remember correctly there was a contributor here on the forum who had uploaded 3000 AI images in a month (100 per day).

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I have no doubt that at the rate artificial intelligence is advancing, stock photography has a maximum of two years left to live. Right now the smart thing to do is to sell all the lenses, equipment and cameras on ebay before it is too late and they become worthless junk.

I haven't sent any AI images, and don't think I ever will.

I get help from AI for my post-production, but I'm not interested in generative AI.

It's boring, and the images are all the same, all with the same style.

Producing 100 images with AI takes just two or three hours, so photography and illustration categories will soon be saturated with millions of images uploaded in no time.

I think eventually, people will get bored, and the majority of AI users will create their own images.

I hope in the future, there will always be a niche of customers who prefer real images captured with authentic landscapes, models, and objects. And I continue to work for that niche.

We'll see in a few years.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe missions. Participate?
« on: October 25, 2023, 08:06 »
In my commissioned work, I charge 600-1000 for 10-15 images ...

Adobe pays $80 for 500-1000 images.

New forms of slavery are growing ... :-X

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Adobe Stock / Re: This is highly unprofessional
« on: October 19, 2023, 08:14 »
I don't think Adobe cares for real photos anymore. All that matters to them is AI.

I'm afraid you're right. The future holds a world of fake images for us.

How sad!

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Adobe Stock / Re: This is highly unprofessional
« on: October 19, 2023, 08:03 »
I agree with you. I am also a photographer with a small portfolio (around 5,000 images) selling a lot for 15 years.

The same thing happened to me for the first time last week with a batch of 15 images.

13 were rejected, and 2 were taken.

It had never happened to me. I have a nearly 100% approval rate at every agency.

I'm a professional; I shoot with a 60-megapixel camera and $2/3,000 lenses. I travel 30,000 km a year to shoot. Each image I upload requires 30 minutes/1 hour of postproduction with a $3000 desktop.

With this Adobe policy, my images that have always sold a lot are becoming invisible or rejected. Hidden by the sea of AI images (probably copied from some of our old images that were selling  :-\) that Adobe approves every day and which cost like peanuts. No photography equipment, no travel costs, no effort to learn the art of photography.

Thanks Adobe. In a few years, I would like to know from which art AI will copy.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: This month's sales
« on: October 16, 2023, 14:28 »
So far this month, Shutterstock sales are very slow. I'm at about 50% of the volume I would normally expect.

1.2 stars

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.shutterstock.com

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General Stock Discussion / Re: This month's sales
« on: October 05, 2023, 05:33 »
Day 4 of October and already on SS I'm at of my total September sales.  Hopefully that's an indication that things are picking up.  Maybe because the writer's strike is over?

Day 5 of October and I'm on 7% of total September sales.

And yesterday was my first working day in 12 years where I didn't hit $10 ... 50 sales for $8 ... With 5,000 files, I was used to make $40-50 a day before 2020 and $25-30 a day this year.

SS is in a nosedive.

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  Im seeing my model stock photo sales going down and seeing a few AI generated model photos sold.

I think that the sales of AI with models cannot compensate for those lost with photographs with real models.

Because the production of images with AI is much faster (there are contributors with 3000 images in the queue) and because the images are all the same, same Midjourney's or Dall-E's style, and the earnings are divided equally. Whoever produces the most wins.

Read my post about this: https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/9-million-ai-generated-photos-stock-photography-coming-to-end/msg593430/#msg593430

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I wonder how Midjourney got their "Dataset".  Is there any alternative to Midjourney to create AI stock photos?

They scraped the internet.

Laion-5B, a nonprofit, publicly available database that indexes more than five billion images from across the Internet, including the work of many artists.

See here: https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/is-ai-art-stealing-from-artists

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I don't know if we must do it with generic stock agencies or niche agencies, but earning a full salary with AI will be very difficult. There are too many contributors and too many images for the same pie to share.

There will be no earning any salary from AI images for contributors, clients will type what they want and pay to the big companies. At least thats how I see it.

If you try to generate what you exactly want you'll see how difficult that is, so for the clients is much more easy and less time consuming to use a good AI search engine and find the best of AI generated content from image data base. To me the future is in the best search engine.

I agree with you Mir. I didn't write it in my post, but what you say is true. Many customers will create their own custom images.

When I talked about salary, I was referring to those who do photography or illustration in a traditional way, without AI. The key is to differentiate yourself and communicate well with a blog, a YouTube channel, or a podcast. Often, those who buy images fall in love with the author's story or the process of creating the images.

I don't see a great future in uploading images to the big stock agencies. As for photography and illustration authors, only the best will survive. Maybe I'm wrong, but I believe we need to invest time in improving the quality of our work, not in producing millions of useless AI images. Agencies will profit and build their own AI engine. But we contributors don't, the slices to be shared are too small.

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I see that AI has allowed many low-quality contributors to finally submit high-quality content.

Contributors with 40,000 bad images who struggled to make $100 a month now think they're making a lot of money.

But for me, it's a mistake. Sure, maybe they will make a little more money. Because AI has allowed us to raise the quality of jobs, but now they are all the same.

I struggle to distinguish the work of one contributor from another.

They are all identical, all with the same style.

And so in the end everyone will earn quite similar amounts. There will be a race to see who can upload the most.

And I think this will eventually tire customers who want to find something different from this mountain of boring images copied from artists and photographers of the past.

I think differentiating yourself from others will be the most important thing in the future.

I don't know if we must do it with generic stock agencies or niche agencies, but earning a full salary with AI will be very difficult. There are too many contributors and too many images for the same pie to share.

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Only people who have produced quality images, at the cost of effort, time, renunciation of mediocrity, self-challenge, and perhaps ultimately talent can understand this turning point. And they see absolutely no benefit in what AI produces.
AI enthusiasts can only be delighted to finally be able to produce what they have never been able to produce.

I agree with you 100%, great post!

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much of microstock is 'low-quality' but what's the incentive for agencies &who would make the subjective labeling?  even at this young age AI many AI i mages are better than  'low-quality' digital images

we were talking about microstock where there's no indication buyers care at all for artist stories or look for a specific artist they're too busy buying cheap images

i participate in several groups on FAA (and admin for 5) and have never heard anyone on Redbubble reporting significant income.  more income from those using twitter & mastodon, but still dwarfed by microstock income

I think microstock has opened up to too many amateurs and is getting too close in quality to freemium sites like Pexels, Unsplash, Pixabay and Freepik.

The race to the bottom of prices will penalize the contributors. Especially the quality ones that risk becoming invisible. And it will be even worse with AI available to everyone.

I have a portfolio of 5,000 images and sell much more than contributors with 50,000 images. Quality matters, but with this invasion of AI my images risk becoming invisible.

I am full time and until 3 years ago microstock was 90% of my earnings.

Now I earn the same amount but the microstock is now at 50% and the rest is print-on-demand and commissioned work.

I achieved this by working hard on my personal branding with blog, social media, and personal website.

If microstock agencies don't change, I don't see a brilliant future, they will look more and more like sites like Unsplash, Pexels because the best contributors are all leaving.


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buyers dont care about how the artist traveled to get a picture or the cost of their equipment - they want an image for their needs & dont care whether AI or not.

AI isnt there yet for most actual locations and model-type images need improvement, as  Jo Ann & others have documented. but as AI evolves it will be to the buyers' benefit to use AI generated people rather than the model release hassles for editorial usage.

I think you are right for very low-quality work, but you are wrong for those who want to differentiate themselves from others.

And today, in marketing, it matters a lot to do different things to stand out from the crowd. Even for those who buy images.

Maybe you need to read some Seth Godin books to understand where the world is going. Seth says: People do not buy goods & services. They buy relations, stories & magic. Today a good photograph is not enough; there is too much competition, but we also need the stories and emotions of those who take it.

Stock photography and especially AI images will serve to fill low-quality blogs and websites at a price close to zero. It will probably no longer be a lucrative market for creators.

We need to do as RedBubble did which divided the contributors between Premium and Standard, giving more visibility to the Premium ones.

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