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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Free Collection $5 Payments Are Back
« on: June 30, 2023, 07:26 »
In the UK, last year I received 5 per image, this year I only received 3.83.....Should really receive $6.36 per image if you live in the UK but I guess that is a selfish POV :-)
The real question is how it's converted internally. Customers buy in different currencies. My point is that if someone bought my license for 100 I should get "30" commission not 30$ commission . So question is if it's converted 1:1. Subscription program just make it easier to do it that way under the radar and grab extra money

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Free Collection $5 Payments Are Back
« on: June 27, 2023, 01:58 »
Got paid today, simlar amount in numbers  as i got paid last time... Yet thanks to getting paid in $ now in EU i basically recived 100 less....


do i understand correctly?  they paid you $5/image but you were expecting 5 /image?
No you didn't, what I'm saying is its in dollar now for all so for  same amount photos sold i lost value. Yes, yes you in US and you don't see problem but i don't pay bills in dollars and my sells are 80% local sales in EU and customers don't pay in dollar either. I don't mind if customer pay in dollar and commission is in dollar but if customer pay in or . Trying understand how it is done. Do EU customers pay equivalent of dolar value? We getting commission Right? Again UK and EU customers don't pay in dollars. My question then is, are prices of subscriptions are 1:1 between countries or it always equals to value of "1$" after convertion?

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Free Collection $5 Payments Are Back
« on: June 26, 2023, 10:38 »
Got paid today, simlar amount in numbers  as i got paid last time... Yet thanks to getting paid in $ now in EU i basically recived 100 less. I dont understand that change really. Did payment for customers changed as well?  I mean I'm getting less so customers have to pay less right ? Money don't magicaly dissapear right?

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Free Collection $5 Payments Are Back
« on: June 17, 2023, 07:29 »

The selections for the lates batch of nominated photos has not yet been finalized. You will receive an email notification when that does happen, plus there will be updates here in MSG.

Thanks,

Mat Hayward

Days? Weeks? Months? Until the selection has been finalized. Sorry for asking, just very curious! :)

Probably days/week or two? Depends when last year free collection was posted on Adobe? You know the date? Pretty sure they will replace old with new one and there should be no gap between it. Unless they won't have free collection for a month+ online but i doubt that.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Free Collection $5 Payments Are Back
« on: June 13, 2023, 05:36 »
my whole nomitaed files are alsoo in review.

how many days last on last time ı forgot actually.

If you filter photos by "free" it will show you amount of picked to free collection. Think they do payments after all photos are picked from all  users.

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I've encouraged my 17 years old son to create photos using Midjourney for AS. He doesn't know anything about photography. He started uploading images to my AS account 3 months ago, here are the number of sales (remember he's novice):
April: 27 sales
May: 51 sales
June (till 9): 28 sales
He now has 1500 files online (260 under review) and he's planning to upload 500 - 1000 images per month.
I do videos mainly, but I have had around 300 images online for years, and he already exceeded my number of sales for images.
I really feel sorry for photographers as they can't compete with the image quality created using Midjourney, it's just amazing.

So, imagine if 100,000 novices like my son are uploading to AS, what would be the result?

Don't you need to pay commission from sales to Midjourney? I remember saw it in their licencing.

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If you received money yesterday, then they came for the nominated video. This program opened and closed in October 2022. Adobe does not decipher which videos were selected. If you didn't receive money yesterday, then your video was not nominated.

What do you mean October 2022 ? You mean they picked videos year ago and just now adding them to free collection ? I thought it's new campaign. Have no recollection what videos of mine got picked year ago...

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Today I received an email that about 30 of my videos have been added to the free collection. Adobe pays me money for this, but I still dont see an increase in the amount of income in my account.
It's strange that suddenly in June Adobe decided to post a my new video.
Why not every month then?

Thanks for calling this out @Stoker2014. Yes, the Free collection team has selected another wave of video clips from the files you nominated in October to fill gaps identified in the collection. The email you received went out before the move into Free has happened. We expect the selected clips to be switched soon. Once done, the payment of $8 per clip will be automatically added to your account balance. I'll post an update here when that process is complete.

Thanks again,

Mat Hayward

When that happened? I had no notification about video. I did nominate photos but had no idea video is nominated as well. Was that at same time with photos and on default is it nominated or i would have to swich it to nominate all option ? Looks like i missed Video nomination...

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Hi Everyone,

You will soon see the toggle switch for "in review" files removed.

Soon as in the next coming weeks or months Mat? Because days is a station already passed.

What difference that make? Nominations are finished.

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Honestyl, I don't have a clue what youre talking about.

No problem, you don't have to worry actually. It's only an issue for those being paid in pounds, since Adobe applies a wrong (and highly unfavorable) currency exchange rate from dollars to pounds.

For those being paid in euro, it's the other way around: Adobe applies a wrong (but slightly favourable) currency exchange rate by considering one dollar = one euro.

Well at this time 1$ = 1 anyway.

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Happy to see this coming again. Last year money i got Was real financial help for me and fact that it's basically "renting" assets for a year is really fair offer for contributors. Fact that I'm in control of my own work is refreshing in sea of agencies basically taking advantage of our hard work. I got a lot for my free asset last year and my downloads did not suffer. Adobe is my best performed agency since then. Thank you Adobe for not being greedy towards us like others are.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Disappearing photos on SS?
« on: May 02, 2022, 06:23 »
My photos are back

Did you contact them? I noticed my photos are gone as well. Some of bestselling photos i see dont exist anymore...

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  Adobe came to us seeing our assets sitting and doing nothing, and fact that they offered to pay is sight of respect to our work and acknowledgement of our rights to that assets.

SS also does that thru wirestock's instant pay program
Isnt it free forever? That is bad idea. Wirestock is part of SS and you basicly helping them to take even more of your money like 10c is still to much for you it's your decision. In my opinion financially it's worst you can do to yourself.
My workflow is few times faster from wirestock from upload to approve state and I upload to around 15 agencies with a pressing of one button but yes it isn't free as well. I pay up to $20 per month to Stocksubmiter to do most of my upload work. If you earn $ 100 per month its not good but if you earn couple thousends it's nothing compared to percent Wirestock takes. But everyone value his own work differently and need to establish what works the best for them.

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Covid, summer, oversuply, free image sites, I'm surprised we're earning anything at all.

Exactly... Thing is ppl will assume a lot depending on their point of view. I'm more on positive side because I constantly being contacted by ppl and company's that found my work on stock sites like Adobe or even SS. And those ppl are professionals with budgets and they never fish for free stuff and are ready and "surprisingly" ready to pay top price. Their priorities aren't what we would think. Free stuff and low commissions are product of agencies looking for bigger profits, competition against other agencies and in many cases price of product dosnt change only part for contributors getting smaller. They can afford losing contributors but not customers.
 I finding Adobe offer 12 months free best in industry right now where other agencies give you option to offer free stuff as a promotion but without any compensation... Because why would they if you want to offer it for free?
  Adobe came to us seeing our assets sitting and doing nothing, and fact that they offered to pay is sight of respect to our work and acknowledgement of our rights to that assets.

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. Nothing to assume if I have my own statistics.

Your own statistics are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Besides, you, like many others, changed your strategy when you began to offer your stuff for free.

Therefore your past performance is not a predictor of your future performance, anymore.

Too bad you fail to understand how bad this model is for all of us!
Your personal opinion, you have right to have one.
Disagree as since 4 years I see only growth that slows down when my performance slows down. I don't live in past and present won't stay same forever im aware of that. If you won't adopt you stay behind. And complaining changes nothing.

I am not complaining. I am explaining. Obviously, not everybody is ready to admit when they made a bad call and explanations are futile, in such cases.
Good luck, and while you are joyfully sawing off the branch you are sitting on, remember that you shouldn't complain when you'll break your legs  ;D

Thanks for that clich wishes 👌. Remember life is much more than stock photos. Don't act like all will end with it it's not healthy. Good luck as well.

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. Nothing to assume if I have my own statistics.

Your own statistics are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

Besides, you, like many others, changed your strategy when you began to offer your stuff for free.

Therefore your past performance is not a predictor of your future performance, anymore.

Too bad you fail to understand how bad this model is for all of us!
Your personal opinion, you have right to have one.
Disagree as since 4 years I see only growth that slows down when my performance slows down. I don't live in past and present won't stay same forever im aware of that. If you won't adopt you stay behind. And complaining changes nothing.

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Whether you accepted this deal or not, it will hurt us all.
Don't fool yourself, buyers will always take the free image, if it represents their needs, no matter the quality.I hope I am wrong.
I am already seeing the results (one free image), I had just six small downloads this month, none today, I haven't seen this for a long time.

Sounds like you dont upload much and that would be the main reason. Some upload hundreds assets a week or even day.
Your old photos will be burried with time if you wont be fighting for your posittion in that competition.
Its way to soon to say what is the impact of free collection, it will take months to see results. First batch last year brought some new customers and i saw it in my sales.
BTW This month for me is normal no change in sales... so yes too soon and i got aproved 50 free photos

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...giving away free images is marketing and promoting for me (still not free as they pay) always did it and it worked for me every time...

Weird, I havent found this at all.

I see these sorts of collections as promotion/ marketing for the agency, to increase traffic to them over a competing agency.

I have never seen any significant uptick from an agency putting my work front and centre, even when I have been photographer of the month/ week or whatever with my work / portfolio on the front page of a site.

Mileage may vary I guess.

After being featured in Editors pics my sales jumped instantly even 50%, after giving away some photos in time limit of one month for free showing my main subjects i picked up some slight spikes in sales through next few months of that theme. Getting on the first page of search is like striking the gold and free photos can get you there fastest.

Like you said Mileage may vary.
If i would promote themes that arent searched for, it would not change the traffic to my port.

Main thing is to studdy statistics through Apps like Microstockr or follow statistics on sites like Creative market that show you exacly when who and why come to buy.
And dont assume


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It doesn't matter how it's packaged, giving our work away for free devalues us all, as if we haven't already been devalued enough. When I see an image in the Free section of any agency, I assume it wasn't good enough to be accepted. I then look at the name of the creator and assume that person isn't very good at what he does. And that is what the buyers - I mean takers in this instance - will think too.  Anyone participating in this travesty should be ashamed. Stop the madness.
When I see it I assume someone want to promote his photos like I do. And I don't assume what customer assume especially when my sales go up. Nothing to assume if I have my own statistics.

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If something is perceived as better than free then it can compete...hence people pay for mineral water in restaurants rather than free tap water. Price is rarely the only factor in purchasing decisions.

Do you mean like this: https://youtu.be/EL5O_9HnN4E?
 ;D
Indeed.....there have been a few cases of companies bottling municipal tap water and selling at a premium......

Then the conclusion is that buyers can be fooled and made belive that something is better, but only for limited time.

Isn't it the same for the photos "perceived" to be better, you gave as an example?

It's just a matter of time before the buyers realize that the free alternative is equally good, or simply good enough for the purpose.  ;)

Metaphore have zero sense here. Customers have eyes, if free photos are better for their purpose they will pick free. Company's have budget for that reason and if paid are better they will pick better. Don't know what is your customer base but my for sure isn't ppl without money. Many times before I was contacted by potential buyers and offered them one free photo and they coming back to buy more of my fresh photos mostly for advertising and tourism. I would be exclusive to Pexel sites if my customer base was broke. You guys get over dramatic and it turns into comedy. Going back to water, you don't know which is better unless you have mobile laboratory with you and carry a test of your drinks. You don't need science to see what photo suits your needs.

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At the end of the day, this is not a good deal for us.

Many of my proposed photos gathered much more than $5 elsewhere, while AS didn't do a good job in promoting them..,..

1. so, adding them to AS makes sense as you'll get more than they've earned
2. buyers at other sites are unlikely to find same images among AS free

and have those images made $5 on other sites in the last year??

My point is that many "buyers" will just be satisfied with free, instead of paying for something else.
So instead of driving additional sales (as this new business model is expecting), it will rather prevent regular sales to be made.

Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors with a similar subject. The losses will exceed $5, because nothing beats free.

We don't shoot ourselves in the foot, indeed (because we get $5).
We rather shoot each other in the feet (because we will both lose more than $5, when we compete against each other with free vs paid)

It looks to me like John Nash's game theory, described in A Beautiful Mind: what is the best outcome for the individuals is not always the best outcome for the group.

"Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors "

I produce couple hunderets assets per month and giving away free images is marketing and promoting for me (still not free as they pay) always did it and it worked for me every time. I dont mind giving away assets that not selling and im constantly working on making better and more saleable assets.
 I think the problem starts when someone expect his old portfolio to sell forever then other contributtors that produce new assets will outpreform them in few months free or not anyway.

If you active and working to make more, customers always will need new and actual photos. If there will be free photo of location that travel agency will use they will need more most likely and wont use one photo forever because it was free. If there is customer that use only free photo he wont be on adobe but pexel, unsplash etc. so someone i dont care about anyway and most likely he never bought photos anyway.
 
Its about real customers that constantly need photos for company etc. If someone come for free photos only most likely he never bought photos anyway.

"We rather shoot each other in the feet"

There is no we in sales, we compete against each other free or not best assets gets more sales and everyone is assessing best that works for them. Would be silly to lose oportunity to earn more because i want someone else to sell their photos better.

Just my point of view.

I understand your point of view.
My experience is different. I have solid assets that sell well over and over again, since many years!
Producing more of the same, will only devalue my best sellers.

Yes, you have to shoot more, indeed, but different themes and subjects. Otherwise, you are really shooting yourself in the foot!

Taking this in consideration, if now AS has in its free collection assets that compete with my best sellers, I will lose, even if my stuff is better, because nothing competes with free.

Of course we are competitors, but as the boys in A Beautiful Mind went home without getting laid, because they all set their eyes on the gorgeous blonde while neglecting the other girls, the same way we will lose because we set our eyes on those $5, without seing the big picture and the science behind this game theory. 😉

I do understend your point of view as well but i disagree being valid to microstock.

 With amount of assets uploaded daily the "Producing more of the same, will only devalue my best sellers" in my experiance isnt valid as it could be years ago.
If you wont shoot planty simlars but fresh photos every few weeks other contributors will replace your themes. Customers like new.

Its propably depends on subject but after finding my niches i notice in one year time i got slowly replaced and my avrage $100 per month per that subject dropped to few $. I went heavy on that subject and i menaged to increse sales just for that subject to $500 per month get to the first search pages with few similar photos and only way i can keep up up there with every subjest is to how you call it "shoot" my foot few times a month.

Problem is that stock is devaluated allrady so strongly that you need go into quantity over quality to stay relevant. Your work need to be as low as the payment is.

I do stock photography for money and i do not put any passion into it as no one pays for it anymore. I leave passion and quality photography to myself and privat clients. I shoot snapshots for stock on walk with dog or in my backyard.

Lets be honest its the matter of time when Adobe goes sub 10c and SS sub 0.1c. The way i counter this is lower my work time on assets/quality. And pick 10 simlars from batch cost me almost no time if i dont focus on edits. Then sprea that similars uploads through month with help of Software like Stock submitter and with press of one button send to every agency i know...

Stock isnt Art what i try to say.

 

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At the end of the day, this is not a good deal for us.

Many of my proposed photos gathered much more than $5 elsewhere, while AS didn't do a good job in promoting them..,..

1. so, adding them to AS makes sense as you'll get more than they've earned
2. buyers at other sites are unlikely to find same images among AS free

and have those images made $5 on other sites in the last year??

My point is that many "buyers" will just be satisfied with free, instead of paying for something else.
So instead of driving additional sales (as this new business model is expecting), it will rather prevent regular sales to be made.

Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors with a similar subject. The losses will exceed $5, because nothing beats free.

We don't shoot ourselves in the foot, indeed (because we get $5).
We rather shoot each other in the feet (because we will both lose more than $5, when we compete against each other with free vs paid)

It looks to me like John Nash's game theory, described in A Beautiful Mind: what is the best outcome for the individuals is not always the best outcome for the group.

"Yes, we get $5, for a photo, but that will kill sales and the earnings for other contributors "

I produce couple hunderets assets per month and giving away free images is marketing and promoting for me (still not free as they pay) always did it and it worked for me every time. I dont mind giving away assets that not selling and im constantly working on making better and more saleable assets.
 I think the problem starts when someone expect his old portfolio to sell forever then other contributtors that produce new assets will outpreform them in few months free or not anyway.

If you active and working to make more, customers always will need new and actual photos. If there will be free photo of location that travel agency will use they will need more most likely and wont use one photo forever because it was free. If there is customer that use only free photo he wont be on adobe but pexel, unsplash etc. so someone i dont care about anyway and most likely he never bought photos anyway.
 
Its about real customers that constantly need photos for company etc. If someone come for free photos only most likely he never bought photos anyway.

"We rather shoot each other in the feet"

There is no we in sales, we compete against each other free or not best assets gets more sales and everyone is assessing best that works for them. Would be silly to lose oportunity to earn more because i want someone else to sell their photos better.

Just my point of view.

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I've had 2 photos approved for the Free Price Tier so far.

I was told that I had 168 images eligible for the free collection.

I hope this doesn't turn into a damp squib!

Don't expect too much. Nominations were done by system not humans, most likly by count of views on each photo. Actual review was done by moderators that judge if photos are worth upfront $5 for Adobe. I think some photos could be more valuable even for Adobe to stay with contributor as have more potential for future sales. Free photos work as a advertisement of simlar photos on contributor profile so it's better to pick less attractive version of that theme.

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Hi Mat
Would be great to know what's the plan with next review waves. In what frequency they are planed to be done and approximately how many more is scheduled. I think everyone want to know what to expect next and for many it's grate crash injection during that time. Can we know what is the plan for next month? Can we expect anything more this month or next turn will be made next month?
Thanks

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Did they pay you already for the images that are accepted in the free collection?

I see there is a new button: "Filter by Price Tier", that shows the free images.

No payment yet.

Thats the fun part no payment yet photos available for download... Is that how it works on Adobe ? I use photos first and pay when i want to?

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