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I have removed my portfolio too. Cannot be bothered with agencies (yes, agencies, not "marketplaces") who shift their responsibilities upon their contributors, and still keep their large share of the sale.

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Those who focus on the model and whether she was posing in lingerie or not, are missing the point totally.
There is a bigger issue here.
The thing in question here is whether a photographer can be held responsible for what an end user is doing with his/her photos.
If the end user is breaching a TOS, how the h*ll can the photographer be responsible.
If you think that this only concerns photographers who shoots lingerie you are way off.
This concerns everyone who shoots people for stock.
Regular portraits of "regular" girls, grandmothers and even kids are being misused everyday and if the model should win this case, this industry will have to change drastically on many levels.

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Donated.
ALL photographers with people in their portfolio should contribute to this cause to whatever extent they can. This is really important.

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Norsk / Dansk / Svensk / Re: Skatt pa intakter
« on: December 28, 2014, 04:37 »
Om du r bosatt i Sverige r du obegrnsat skattskyldig i Sverige. Du redovisar alla dina intkter till Skatteverket i Sverige precis som vanligt och skattar p dem i Sverige. Dremot r det ingen moms p intkter utanfr EU. De formulr som du fyller i hos vissa agenturer i USA gr s att du inte ska dubbelbeskattas.

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I totally agree. Every time I have contacted an author,  escort agency, sex dating site or whoever have misused images, they all said that they have acted in good faith.

I disagree with your grouping of erotic fiction authors with escort and dating websites. The wording of many license agreements specifically prohibits escort and dating website use. I've yet to see a license that mentions erotic fiction by name.

Can't really say that the agencies are very helpful in these matters either. Their main focus is selling images and make profit, not going after "tiny" issues like this. If you are lucky you get a reply that they will look into it, and then nothing happens. It pretty much up to the photographer to deal with it and thats both time consuming and difficult.

I don't think it's a good idea to leave the agencies completely out of these situations. What if a photographer sees his or her pic on the cover of an erotic romance novel, jumps to conclusions, thinks it's for sure a prohibited use, and gets Amazon to take the book down. Then the author gets the stock agency involved and the agency sides with the author. I'm not a lawyer, but couldn't the author potentially sue the photographer for loss of income due to a bogus violation claim?

Isn't it better to check with the agency first?


Overall, I think the best solution is to pressure the agencies to look into erotic fiction so they can come up with easily-understood terms of what is allowed and what is prohibited.

Because there aren't just a handful of these books. This isn't just a few isolated incidents. There are hundreds of thousands of erotica and erotic romance books on Amazon alone. The vast majority of these books use microstock for their covers. This is a big deal.

Sorry, I was not my intention to group them together. Not at all. Was just of examples of buyers that I have dealt with in the past regarding image misuse. My experience is that authors are actually very helpful when they are informed about the issue, and every time I have contacted with one, they have been helpful and understanding and replaced the cover. (Which is really easy to do with e-books compared to printed copys of course) 100 % of them have said they were not aware of restrictions for using stock images. Can't say that's so easy with the other examples (escorts etc) mentioned.to them all that helps is a DMCA.

Of course it is better to contact the agency. Hopefully they assist.
What I would do is to try my best do get contact info to the author first and try to solve the issue in a friendly matter with him/her first without any takedown action.
Problem is that these authors aren't so easy to find contact info to.


Overall, I think the best solution is to pressure the agencies to look into erotic fiction so they can come up with easily-understood terms of what is allowed and what is prohibited.

Totally agree!

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I actually replied to depositphotos answer and pointed out that paragraph and ask them if they were 100% sure. It seemed strange to me and wanted to make sure  it wasnt a standard reply and that they had fully understood my question.

I got a reply back that they were 100% sure. They did not consider erotica books pornography.

So there you go. There are many things to consider when choosing who to work with. Commissions is just one part...

I am glad that some agencies were really clear that they did not allow such use. Some even highlighted the "YOU CAN NEVER" part. Envato  said that a written permission from the photographer to the buyer in such cases were needed.

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I totally agree. Every time I have contacted an author,  escort agency, sex dating site or whoever have misused images, they all said that they have acted in good faith. They have been under the impression that they can use stock photos however they want as long as print run is not exeeded. That seems to be the general understanding. Most of them havent even seen or read the licence terms. Can't really say that the agencies are very helpful in these matters either. Their main focus is selling images and make profit, not going after "tiny" issues like this. If you are lucky you get a reply that they will look into it, and then nothing happens. It pretty much up to the photographer to deal with it and thats both time consuming and difficult. I have started to remove most of my people shots because of this. It is just not worth the trouble...

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Written erotic fiction isn't the same as a visual porn magazine or website, which is why many agencies don't see erotica as porn.

On author forums and websites, I've seen agency responses reported as basically, "don't make it look like the model on the cover is anything but an illustrative image." I guess it would help authors if they put a disclaimer to that effect. However, most people have common sense and know the model on the book cover isn't actually being taken by dinosaurs for sexytimes:

http://nymag.com/thecut/2013/10/qa-the-women-who-write-dinosaur-erotica.html

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/10-real-book-covers-from-dinosaur-on-human-sex-novels/

These books were all over the American news a few months ago. Notice how these are just swimsuit shots. I did warn in a thread months ago that authors are now choosing less raunchy photos so their books will show up in basic search results. (Raunchy book covers will only show up in a specific kindle search.) So, yeah a model posing for a business or glam shot might show up on dino porn. Photographers need to perhaps hire models who understand this.

And photographers, please don't assume a picture on Amazon is automatically in violation of a license agreement, and then go straight to Amazon claiming copyright violation. I've seen many reports of this on author forums, and frankly, I don't think the practice is ethical.

In the cases I've seen, Amazon assumes the copyright claim means the picture was stolen (this is the unethical part because the photographer is calming something that isn't true), and takes it down. The author then has to prove the picture was indeed licensed, losing income and book rank in the process. Once Amazon gets proof that a license was purchased, it puts the book back. The most a photographer can gain from this is that maybe the author will change the cover anyway (which I have seen).

If you see an image use you don't like, do the honest thing, and find out which agency the image was bought from, and then report it to that agency.  As we've seen in this thread, different agencies have different ideas about what is allowed. Don't assume.


The problem is that there isn't a publisher to contact. Often the author is the publisher and it is impossible to reach him/her. No contact info and often a pseudonym. Amazon is the only place that has the contact info. You cannot find out where the image has been licensed unless you contact Amazon. Misuse of an image is a kind of copyright infringement, but you should of course explain the situation and not claim that the image is stolen.


My question to the agencies were simple. "Can i purhase an image and put it on a cover of a e-book in the erotica genre?
I did not say porn, i only asked about erotica. The answer was crystal clear from most of the agencies. No, that is not allowed. Depositphotos and Alamy were the only agencies that allowed it.

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Yes, pretty much all the standard releases have a wording that reads that images cannot be used in pornography or defamatory uses. That is what the model have signed. Try to explain to that model afterwards that the book with the undertitle "taboo sex", "rape fantasies" or "gangbang fantasies" on which she  on the cover of, displayed for the whole world on amazon.com, is not considered "pornographic" by the image agency. This is huge problems waiting to happen and it is not that agency who will be the punching bag. At least not initially  :-\

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Alamy doesn't agree that erotica is pornography and recommend uploading as RM and set "sensitive use" as restriction for future uploads if there is a concern.



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No, sorry, didn't ask Istock since I don't contribute to them.

Got a reply from Alamy too now, and they are ok with that use just like Depositphotos. Did not expect that. I thought they were one of the "good guys" :-/

Im glad all the other agencies were very clear about that they did not allow the use though.at least something.

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I don't know if you have noticed, but the e-book industry have exploded the last year or so. Selfpublished authors are growing in numbers and the "erotica" genre is huge. Just on Amazon there are over 150 000 titles in that genre and that is just  one of the venues where the books are sold. Many of these self published authors are using micro stock photos on their covers. I have come across some pretty disturbing examples on how images of mine are being used on covers lately. And it is not just the "romance with an erotic twist" either, it is pretty hardcore stuff. Titles like "big c*cks in every h*ole" type of thing, and it is not only images of models in lingerie for example, some are just portraits of fully dressed normal girls where the author have put in hardcore titles. To me this is a clear violation of the license terms where it usually says that images cannot be used in pornographic or defamatory uses.

After been contacting a few authors about this I got the feeling that some of them where convinced that this would be an ok usage. I got curious and
sent an e-mail to all micro stock agencies asking about their view about this. I did not say that I was a contributor. I wanted to hear what they would say to an image buyer. I just asked if it would be ok to use a stock photo from their agency on an erotica book.

Shutterstock, Fotolia, Dreamstime, Envato, Canstockphoto and 123rf all replied that this was not an allowed usage according to their license terms.

Depositphotos, however said that it was totally ok with them, that they did not consider erotica books to be pornography.

So you might want to reconsider putting RF people images for sale on Depositphotos.


Edit: After being in contact with Depositphotos again, we have received a different response. After reviewing some examples of covers that we sent them, the management/CEO has informed us that this is not an approved use according to their license terms. Photos from Depositphotos can not be used on erotica.
I am glad that all micro stock agencies share this view, they just need to be better informing the buyers about this now.

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