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Weird. She wants to strive for better quality - but she also recognizes that there is incredible supply, hence lowering prices.

Considering the price tag on anything quality when it comes to photo tools, how does she think it's going to work out? People are getting pennies (from what I've gathered -) for their work, so they try and create thousands of images per year instead of well thought out and executed compositions. I don't blame them (as a designer), and I feel dishearted (as a contributor).

Unless she recognizes that low prices will just fill stock catalogues with junk upon junk, eventually driving the buyer (designers) out from stock as a trustworthy option and instead replace it with a "last resort" tool - then none of this is going to work out.

Wait and see I suppose, this stock contributor role is loads of patience :/

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Great, I'm going to render them out like the Statue of Liberty, a set of golden statues.

Then maybe another set with them with a stone texture.

Not looking to recreate the actual monuments in place, a photo makes much more sense in that scenario imo.

Thanks for the input.

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Hello everyone,

I'm quite a newbie in producing stock, but recently I've started creating new renders and taking photos to submit.

I've done a gold 3D render for the statue of liberty and it turned out quite nice, so I'm thinking of doing a set ;

  • Statue of liberty
  • Eiffel tower
  • Big ben
  • pisa tower

Now creating these in 3D for huge renders (generally output 6k x 4k = 24mp) requires quite a bit of work, and rendering can sometimes take 1-2 days (especially with gold materials). Here's the liberty one ;



This has yet to be approved by iStock and Fotolia so I'm not even sure what they will say about property rights. Because this is so time consuming I'd like to be pretty sure that it won't be in vain before I start the others.

With that in mind, does anyone know if there will be issues of copyright or property rights etc. for this?

I seem to remember back in 2004 iStock would reject night shots of the Eiffel tower because those were protected or something.

Any help would be appreciated,
Thanks :)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: What is fair?
« on: May 05, 2015, 15:09 »
Actually, to be totally honest, I'd probably still be submitting to SS if I could get even $1 per sub sale. 

Who are all these corporate designers, with their big important projects that have to be done by Friday,  who can't pay $5 for a photo?  I don't believe that line, never did.  It's pure BS,  and I don't mean BigStock.

It's not that designers aren't willing to pay, they aren't the competition.

The other stock sites are the competition and they are driving each other down on prices.

Let's say "Stock Agency A" decided that paying %50 to photographers is a good idea and started to sell @ $5 for small up to $50 for full size photos with no subscription.

Even with hordes of photographers moving to "Stock Agency A", the other (current) very cheap sites will still have enough photos to attract the majority of stock buyers leaving very few buyers that need VERY good quality that go to "Stock Agency A" to buy photos. In turn, the new stock agency will declare bankrupcy or adapt very quickly to industry norms.

I believe a complete collapse needs to happen for this to change. Prices so low droves of pro photographers leave completely and have only very amateur photographers in their place that will in turn dillude stock agencies portfolio. But even then, the dillution and generaly acceptability of current photos will hold strong for a long time.

That's my opinion.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: What is fair?
« on: May 05, 2015, 11:28 »
No stock site can survive on those prices, they will be out of business because of lack of buyers.

The whole industry needs to collapse before any price increases happen and that doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon.

Don't want to be the gloom and doom guy, but you have to look at it like this: how low would photographers endure? Looking at 400k images added to ss every week, it looks like we're not even close there 😐  sorry

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Newbie Discussion / Re: Shutterstock Acceptance
« on: May 05, 2015, 07:56 »
I'm hardly someone that can judge your stock portfolio as a photographer, so I won't comment with that perspective (the images seem good enough from the thumbnails to be accepted, and a %100 crop could tell us the whole story, like noise and sharpness).

BUT, past acceptance you might have a hard time selling some of them. I'm a full time designer with 15 years or so experience and have naturally bought tons of stock. I could use the first 6 for all kinds of things and they are sellers.

The latter ones are what I would use in a magazine for an article, and those articles have photos taken by photographers on site, I mean there's no sense in using stock photos about TOWN X :)

The contrast on them are too strong to alter and blend in a composition, so that's out too. Once in a blue moon I'll have the need for one of the last six photos and maybe consider buying one - but even that's a long shot.

Think of it like this ; the fishing nets. Let's say I'm designing a promo to encourage fishing supply sales, your images do not fit at all, they are moody and sad.

A general tourism bureau flyer? An empty road with a guy riding a bike, I'm not sure the client would want to emphasize on a solitary holiday trip.

They look really nice and do trigger personal memories for me, but I've always been bit of an introvert so there's that :)

I'm not trying to knock you down or anything, just trying to convey what a buyer looks for, so you don't have to build a portfolio of a 1000 photos and watch in dismay as your hard work gets ignored, even though they are perfectly fine images.

My %100 go to buy stock photo is this : Preferably with people, looking generally happy but not the "omgwtfOHYEA" look that gives it a fake vibe. If they're not even aware the camera is there, the better. Generally good looking but definitely not drop down gorgeous. A believable crop of everyday life of people doing XXX (where X is my design subject).

I hope this is of any use.

Good luck :)

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Big thank you to everyone who took the time to contribute and give feedback. Seems IS + SS + FT is the way to go from what I've gathered.
"A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." (Paul Simon)

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... I also don't want my files everywhere so the buyer has the option to grab it from a cheap sub instead of a better earner for me.

Each of the sites you mention sells cheap subs, which you can't opt out of.

Fotolia let's you opt out of DPC (don't know if they have other affiliates though).
iStock let's you opt out of ThinkStock (as far as I'm aware? - please correct me, I'm new in this).
No idea about SS, never really liked them back then - but seems like it would be foolish not to upload there too.

Maybe I've gathered the wrong advice, but isn't this what the general consensus is on this thread? Go SS IS and SS?

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Big thank you to everyone who took the time to contribute and give feedback. Seems IS + SS + FT is the way to go from what I've gathered.

Like I said I'm just getting started serious about building a portfolio and don't want to end up with thousands of files stuck on one stock site and painfully add them to the others down the road. I also don't want my files everywhere so the buyer has the option to grab it from a cheap sub instead of a better earner for me.

Hence the questions before I started off :)

Thanks again.

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my suggestion: before you start worrying about which site is better you might want to focus your efforts on producing work. 8 images since 2004 will get you nowhere on any site.

like i pointed out in the OP, i've just recently started uploading and creating work (as of 2 weeks ago or so).

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I'm in no position to really make a statement, so please regard the title as a question.

From what I've gathered iStock took a huge nosedive around 2010 (+/- a couple of years maybe?). I used to buy everything from there back in 2004'ish to 2007 or so, also had a 1 or 2 images up but not that i had any faith they would sell :)

Anyway I recently started to upload again and mix my photo's with 3D renders suitable for stock (most of my files are pending at the moment, so you can only see a handfull).

I was hoping to get exclusive ASAP and fill out my portfolio as time went by. After I discovered this site and had a look around it seems that everyone agress that iStock is no longer a good Money earner (well no where near SS).

So i decided to diversify and applied to SS and started uploading to fotolia. Then i said "what ." and applied to DP and DT too.

BUT after reading through each forum I'm shocked (quickly deleted my pending files from DT and will cancel my account on DP when they accept).

I was thinking of going Shutter, iStock and Fotolia (made sure to turn DCP off there), but the royalties seem very very low compared to iStock where $1,5 to $4,5 is where you start at and with exclusive you're looking at $7 or so.

Comparing that to cents from SS made no sense to me. Are your files selling around 20x better on SS that it makes it worthwhile? What am i missing here?

Currently thinking really hard on building a portfolio exclusive to iStock and leaving it at that.

Please help :)

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