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Who voted against the aid for Ukraine in the House? 112 republican scumbags:

https://www.businessinsider.com/which-house-republicans-voted-against-ukraine-russia-aid-2024-4

A majority of the GOP conference voted against.

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: April 22, 2024, 05:04 »
I see you got up for work during morning hours in Olgino or elsewhere in Mordor, while it is still night in the US.
What time is it in Ukraine? Are Ukrainians Russian trolls?

Ольгинский тролль, ты не украинец

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: April 22, 2024, 03:57 »
I simply don't believe that a person could be so stupid to believe that Trump and his MAGA scumbags are pro-Ukrainian. Therefore, I assume ill will and consider stoker2014 a russian troll. His main activity here is attacking Ukraine's allies.

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: April 22, 2024, 02:25 »
"2 + 2 = 17"

stoker2014, Russian troll from the early 21st century

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: April 22, 2024, 02:23 »
I see you got up for work during morning hours in Olgino or elsewhere in Mordor, while it is still night in the US.

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: April 21, 2024, 20:14 »
Russian trolls from Olgino (ольгинские тролли) started to promote Trump in 2015:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency


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The agency employed fake accounts registered on major social networking sites, discussion boards, online newspaper sites, and video hosting services to promote the Kremlin's interests in domestic and foreign policy including Ukraine and the Middle East as well as attempting to influence the 2016 United States presidential election. More than 1,000 employees reportedly worked in a single building of the agency in 2015.

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: April 21, 2024, 20:06 »

So, now I think that is very likely that stoker2014 is a russian troll. And I think he should be treated as such. I mean, how can a normal person post such stupidities multiple times per day?
In my opinion, you are giving him too much credit. I don't think he is a troll.
Please remember that all of putin's useful idiots parrot his propaganda and it's hard to make the difference.

To genuinely claim that MAGA scumbags are pro-Ukrainian one would need an IQ in the region of common shoe sizes or to live in an alternative universe.

So, I think it is more likely that he is a somewhat unconventional version of a troll. Trying to ride on the popular support for Ukraine, while promoting the agenda of anti-Ukrainian factions.

Being a russian troll is of course also a sign of low intelligence, but in this case you could see some goal, even if the chosen methods seem perverse...

A typical person is unlikely to post countless stupidities tirelessly everyday, but trolls do that. And russian trolls actually may get paid for that.

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: April 21, 2024, 17:24 »
Who - apart from a Russian troll
Your low level of understanding of politics does not allow you to determine who the Russian troll is. I recommend taking a closer look at the posts of the author under the nickname "trucic".
But if you are a Europarasite, then this is already a diagnosis.

Have they taught you that stupid word "Europarasite" during a training for russian trolls?

Russian trolls often use neologisms like that...

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: April 20, 2024, 18:17 »
This bill has not yet passed all stages of voting in Congress and it is unknown when Biden will sign it.

The only ones who opposed it were your MAGA republican clowns!

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: April 20, 2024, 16:37 »
Recently, I have read about a fake YouTube channel that claims to be pro-Ukrainian, but the content presented there is absurd and there are accusations that its fundraisers are fake.

So, now I think that is very likely that stoker2014 is a russian troll. And I think he should be treated as such. I mean, how can a normal person post such stupidities multiple times per day? Most importantly, the individual behind the nick stoker2014 attacks Ukraine's allies and promotes the agenda of those who oppose aid for Ukraine. He blatantly ignores what official Ukrainian sources have to say.

This is a top russian propagandist and stocker's idol explaining why facts don't matter:

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1c7uf1e/olga_skabeyeva_a_russian_top_propagandist/

This why I find the very idea of the so-called 'russian world' disgusting, it is filled with nihilism, it is evil to the core. Just like for Skabaeva, facts don't matter for stoker2014, he will spin any facts to match his degenerated propaganda based on lies and delusions. Stoker2014 attempts to muddy the waters with his intellectual excrements that he tirelessly posts in this space.

So, from now on, I will consider stoker2014 a russian troll that claims to be pro-Ukrainian but acts against the interests of Ukraine. 

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: April 13, 2024, 12:02 »

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: April 01, 2024, 17:36 »
For crying out loud, stoker, stop posting these intellectual excrements about Trump and the Republicans. Stop lying. It is disgusting.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/23/trump-putin-ukraine-invasion-00010923

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/23/trump-putin-genius-russia-ukraine-crisis


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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: February 26, 2024, 20:13 »
Stoker2014, I would like to ask you to stop antagonizing Ukraine's allies and stop posting Trumpist delusions and nonsenses, or I will consider you a Russian troll. Perhaps you spend a part of your life in a parallel universe where Trump is decent and on the side of Ukraine. But in this universe, he is a Putin's pawn, for crying out loud.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/02/26/7443828/

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: February 26, 2024, 20:08 »
You have a few on your side: putin, Tucker Carlson, trump, and his maga cultists...
Putin publicly supported Biden. You deny the facts. This is how Democratic propaganda works.

As most of the things that Putin says are lies, that is how you should know that Biden is worse for Putin and better for Ukraine, *. Or do you suddenly trust Putin?

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An interesting analysis of the situation by Bernardo Kastrup:

https://www.bernardokastrup.com/2024/01/uaps-and-non-human-intelligence-what-is.html

As usually, Bernardo is very interested in parsimony. However, there is no guarantee that parsimony will lead to the truth. Still, an interesting hypothesis, an intersting point of view and a very balanced article. It might also be one of multiple aspects of the phenomenon. Bernardo had consulted the essay with such people as e.g. Garry Nolan and Hal Puthoff.

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Yes it is whatabout. Your history the mythology the beliefs the fantasy science fiction is all flawed, lies, fables, fakes and not science. What about that? Talk about escaping the question, you divert and don't answer. What about all the fakes and debunked stories for over 60 years. And your pal Lowls doesn't answer anything, he just turns into Donald Trump and starts spewing personal attacks, trying to bully anyone who disagrees. How childish.

If you want it all to be about Grush and parallel planes, that's fine. But you have to excuse me for pointing out, UFOs and Aliens have attracted a large set of liars and nut cases. Religious doomsday cults that ended in suicide. End of the world, with the aliens coming down to save us.
Whatabout the history and the false claims. That's a fair question to ask.


1. You repeatedly, and with premeditation, use whataboutism, which is a logical fallacy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

2. You build a straw man, and then you burn it, which is another logical fallacy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

3. When confronted with facts, you go berserk and spit out vitriol in an act resembling religious fanaticism. Destroying the chessboard when you are losing. You don't bring any constructive arguments of your own to the discussion. Zero positive contribution to the subject. You just claim that it is all fraud and lies and all people dealing with the phenomenon are frauds - because some might have been - when there is absolutely no causal relationship between those people and what is happening now with Grusch's claims.

Therefore I must conclude that you don't display any good will and don't seem to be interested in finding out the truth about the phenomenon. And as a result of that, participating in a conversation with you is intellectually a very underwhelming activity. You don't even know what my personal views about the nature of the phenomenon are, because your fanaticism doesn't allow the possibility of explanations that are contrary to your belief system. And in this thread, I did try to see the phenomenon from multiple angles - including a possibility of a psyop. Viewing an issue from multiple sides and considering various explanations requires good will, and as I wrote above - I don't think you have it.

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I wrote to the forum, not to you. Maybe you can tell me, what do you think of Bob Lazar, Billy Meier, Ed Walters, George Adamski, David Icke, Jonathan Reed, and Steven Greer? How about Roswell, Ray Santilli and the alien autopsy? Or are you only going with Grusch from now on and ignoring the long history of fakes and frauds.

As I said, please work on your logical reasoning skills. What you present here is a classic case of whataboutism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Maybe some, or all, of those people were frauds, maybe there were some nuggets of truth in their claims, I honestly don't know. Some are suspicious.
But whatever they claimed is absolutely irrelevant to the person of Grusch. They don't matter. All it takes is one single confirmed case and the whole denialism crumbles like a house of cards.

Grusch is an investigator tasked with this job by the US government. He did present evidence to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community - Thomas Monheim. Based on that evidence he briefed Congressmen about his findings. Coming out of the briefing, they said "Grusch's claims have merit", "Grusch is legit".

These are facts, for crying out loud.

Another fact is that a lobby in the House fought hard (and won) against the Schumer amendment, which had been passed earlier in the Senate. It is logical to assume that there is some struggle in the circles of power; some are for disclosure, others are against it.

Now, can I say with 100% certainty that what Grusch claims is true? No, I cannot, because I have no means to verify that information myself. And that is OK.

But if you think that Grusch doesn't say the truth, the IGIC told lies to the Congress Committe, then you must deal with one very serious question and that question is:

W*T*F is going on???

Escaping that question is intellectual laziness and mediocrity. If you think that there is something suspicious going behind the curtain, then there you go: that is a conspiracy theory, too.

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There is a very big sway towards interdimensional. It seems to be being bandied about more and more. I'm not there on that one but it is concerning to see it more and more. Just another race seems inevitable but one or many that can open portals or doorways into our world seems incorrect.

From Northrop Grumman:

https://now.northropgrumman.com/do-doors-to-interdimensional-travel-exist

Background information from Wikipedia for those who don't know Northrop Grumman:

Northrop Grumman Corporation is an American multinational aerospace and defense technology company. With 95,000 employees and an annual revenue in excess of $30 billion, it is one of the world's largest weapons manufacturers and military technology providers.

now here's a red herring!    - if you bothered to, look at the 'about' page you'd find The content on this site doesnt necessarily reflect the views of Northrop Grumman.

and the actual article just reviews current thinking about the POSSIBILITY, and that's for gravitational influences, not wormholes or blackhole transports

nothing new here & no connectin with UFO

Oh, for crying out loud, linking to a page doesn't necessarily mean endorsement. As the inter-dimensional hypothesis had been mentioned, I thought it was interesting that people writing for Northrop Grumman contemplate such ideas. The inter-dimensional hypothesis in the context of UFOs may mean several things. But exploring such possibilities requires leaving Plato's Cave, or rejecting the blue pill.

And instead of nitpicking, you might also address the gigantic elephant in the room, which is Friday's briefing with Inspector General.

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Another phony pseudoscience story is deflated. Pop go the aliens.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/they-are-not-aliens-peru-officials-debunk-claims-that-figures-are-extraterrestrials/ar-AA1mTjPM?OCID=ansmsnnews11
"The conclusion is simple: they are dolls assembled with bones of animals from this planet, with modern synthetic glues, therefore they were not assembled during pre-Hispanic times," Estrada said. "They are not extraterrestrials; they are not aliens."

In the light of the recent events, that story and your post are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT and uninteresting. Red herring.
In other news, yesterday it didn't snow in Morocco.

I thought you would be against lies, deception and coverup. Instead you try to defend the science fiction fantasy, fake news about alien bodies. This is over but another claim or fake will replace it. There are no alien corpses, no photos, no evidence, every. It is completely relevant to the UFO alien cult that will believe any trash fake news and spread it like it's real. Don't you have any integrity or standards in your search for the truth?

I suggest you sharpen your reading-with-understanding skills and work on logical reasoning.

You have built a strawman and now you are burning it. Where did I write that the mummies were real? Did any of the serious people working in the field (Nolan, Elizondo, Grusch, Mellon, Coulthard) even picked up the story? No, they avoided it, perhaps because they knew it was a distraction. Who cares about the dolls when there is Grusch?

"in the light of recent events" = an investigator working for the US government had made some very serious and specific claims about a cover-up and more. On Friday, the Inspector General informed the Congress Committee about his findings based on the evidence provided to him by Grusch. After the briefing, Congressmen said "Grusch is legit", "Grusch's claims have merit".

And that is the real story, not some mummies. The briefing is a FACT. It is a scandal that many mainstream media chose to cover the mummies and remained silent about the implications of the briefing. You pick some facts that fit into your denialist worldview and choose not to see the real story.

You have swallowed the red herring that most likely was thrown to the denialist crowd as a distraction. Bon apptit.

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There is a very big sway towards interdimensional. It seems to be being bandied about more and more. I'm not there on that one but it is concerning to see it more and more. Just another race seems inevitable but one or many that can open portals or doorways into our world seems incorrect.

From Northrop Grumman:

https://now.northropgrumman.com/do-doors-to-interdimensional-travel-exist

Background information from Wikipedia for those who don't know Northrop Grumman:

Northrop Grumman Corporation is an American multinational aerospace and defense technology company. With 95,000 employees and an annual revenue in excess of $30 billion, it is one of the world's largest weapons manufacturers and military technology providers.

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Another phony pseudoscience story is deflated. Pop go the aliens.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/they-are-not-aliens-peru-officials-debunk-claims-that-figures-are-extraterrestrials/ar-AA1mTjPM?OCID=ansmsnnews11
"The conclusion is simple: they are dolls assembled with bones of animals from this planet, with modern synthetic glues, therefore they were not assembled during pre-Hispanic times," Estrada said. "They are not extraterrestrials; they are not aliens."

In the light of the recent events, that story and your post are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT and uninteresting. Red herring.
In other news, yesterday it didn't snow in Morocco.

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I assume that "many of Grusch's claims have merit" is an understatement, due to the fact that the info is classified. If even some of Grusch's claims were true, then it is really big. If what Grusch said was BS, I don't think they would be dealing with it the way they are doing it.
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there are many reasons info is classified. first the use of classified has metastasized, and many dox being declassified should never have been so, but there are also concerns that info would disclose security capabilities, etc.  dox repeating info published by major newspapers & blogs have also been classified.

conclusion - classification does not imply conspiracy to hide results or even dox having significant new info.

That is not the point. I see the statement "many of Grusch's claims have merit" as a likely understatement. As the briefing was in a SCIF, they are probably not allowed to discuss it in detail. Saying "pretty much everything that Grusch said is true" would reveal too much, and Moskovitz was not allowed to do so. So, a general statement like that, without going into details, is actually pretty big, especially as they will definitely continue to investigate the matter. Perhaps they have got names and addresses and were presented evidence. If it was BS, it would have been simply dismissed and the case would have been closed.

The heck, even if only some part of Grusch's claims are true, it is a gamechanger, and the denialist worldview crumbles like a house of cards.

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After the SCIF, Burchett says "Grusch is legit":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQNq0HkyFc

Rep. Moskovitz: "Based on what we heard many of Grusch claims have merit!"
https://twitter.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/1745852400630456618

Rep. Luna: Grusch never said extraterrestrial, he said interdimensional. There is a movement to prevent us from finding out more information
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/194zbl8/rep_luna_grusch_never_said_extraterrestrial_he/

Have they been briefed about "something that doesn't exist"? Or are we pretty darn close to the actual disclosure?

1966 - Hynek receives a phone call from the government and is forced to lie to the public that the sightings were "swamp gas". Hynek was a skeptic who became a believer after his research
2017 - Pentagon confirms that some UAPs are real, not hallucinations and not hoaxes. And not "swamp gas".
2023 - Grusch says there is a reverse-engineering program, there are NHI and that has been going on for many decades
2024 - Inspector General must have seen the evidence provided by Grusch, Congressmen are presented information from the IG and say that Grusch is not a lunatic or a liar

THESE ARE FACTS.

There is a point of origin: "the lie about swamp gas" - and there is a direction in which new events unfold - based on that trajectory we can try to extrapolate where the story is heading. I picked the point of origin arbitrarily - but that event confirms that the government really knew something more and tried to cover it up.

I assume that "many of Grusch's claims have merit" is an understatement, due to the fact that the info is classified. If even some of Grusch's claims were true, then it is really big. If what Grusch said was BS, I don't think they would be dealing with it the way they are doing it.

I suppose the denialist worldview is about to crumble like a house of cards.
Perhaps things will get "woo"...

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any theory destroyed by 1 black swan was a poor theory to start with. scientists wouldn't make a statement such as 'there are no black swans' and you have yet to give an actual scientific example from the modern world

The phenomenon of terminal lucidity could potentially be a black swan for the materialist idea that the mind and consciousness are generated by the brain. And as such, for the whole materialist paradigm. Unless materialists come up with an explanation in the future, it probably is a black swan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_lucidity
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20010032/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36160593/


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Hundreds of years ago, some people in Europe claimed that black swans were not possible - without having explored the whole of the Earth. That was arrogant.

So you say, yet so far you have failed to provide any evidence whatsoever that ANYONE, let alone a scientist of any repute, EVER said anything like that.

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The phrase "black swan" derives from a Latin expression; its oldest known occurrence is from the 2nd-century Roman poet Juvenal's characterization in his Satire VI of something being "rara avis in terris nigroque simillima cygno" ("a rare bird in the lands and very much like a black swan").[4]: 165 [5][6] When the phrase was coined, the black swan was presumed not to exist. The importance of the metaphor lies in its analogy to the fragility of any system of thought. A set of conclusions is potentially undone once any of its fundamental postulates is disproved. In this case, the observation of a single black swan would be the undoing of the logic of any system of thought, as well as any reasoning that followed from that underlying logic.

Juvenal's phrase was a common expression in 16th century London as a statement of impossibility.[7] The London expression derives from the Old World presumption that all swans must be white because all historical records of swans reported that they had white feathers.[8] In that context, a black swan was impossible or at least nonexistent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory

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