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Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 27, 2018, 09:32 »
Got rejection too. And yes, it hurts!

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Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 18, 2018, 12:18 »
Uh!! :(

Then lets hope they fix that soon!

now i can see your beautiful photos :)

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Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 16, 2018, 05:17 »
Cobalt your advice is amazing and spot on. I tried clicking on your stocksy link and it doesn't work for some reason (just the load bar) ...
I had the same problem with cobalt stocksy profile

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Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 13, 2018, 11:03 »

stocksy content is like cavan,offset,getty,corbis (nowgone), arcangel,westend and hundreds of other macro agencies. Some of these have a typical look to set them apart, while others are generalists and have several artistically styled collections. But it is all traditional macrostock.



Thanks for the all information you provided, very useful. What can you tell about Getty compare to Stocksy? Can you tell about sellings and content needs if it's possible :)

gettyimages is a one stop shop for literally EVERYTHING. Any kind of style, any kind of content. And apparently their best customers also have access to all the istock content as well from the inside. That is why on istock you sometimes see a Getty sale.

It is like Amazon or ebay.

But the customer has to then go through millions and millions of files. They do offer a large variety of themed "collections" and their customer service will also put together a lightbox if you tell them what you need. This personal service is basically what you are paying for.

Together with their editorial content they must have several hundred million files and are the largest database of the industry. They have over 200 partners that feed them content, its a huge place. They used to have sales offices across the globe as well, not sure how many they have now and they used to have thousands of employees, again not sure how many survived the various restructurings they did.

Stocksy is one of many small agencies with a certain "look" and often a certain type of content. The advantage is that you can freely mix and match any file from stocksy with others from the collection. To a certain extent it feels like it was all done by one studio or one just one art director. This saves the customer A LOT of time.

In my opinion stocksy is excellent at ethical people stock. Gay lifestyle, minority communities, lots of very, very interesting character faces. Lots of other beautiful stuff course, food, travel...

But it is not a one stop shop. If you need some design elements, backgrounds, objects on white...not there. Overfiltered crazy images...not there...The stereotypical "thumbs up" people grinning design element...not there...and also what is very trendy in other places "ugly realism", i.e. images in the visual language of "normal people"...not there...every image on stocksy is extremly professional and many images would easily win competitions.

It is stunningly beautiful collection, very carefully curated.

But if you look at all the things you can do and sell in the world of stock, I would say it is 1% of what you can do. But that 1%, they do  that exceptionally well.

Other places like Offset or Westend61, Arcangel, Tetra, Plainpictures also have a very distinctive "look". But very different from stocksy.

All of them are high quality macrostock.

So as a customer if you have a project, you will probably look at Getty first and then depending on the style and the look you need you can browse these "themed" high quality agencies.

Some agencies specialize in a certain content - only medical images, only food (stockfood), only images from a certain country or region, only images and videos done with drones etc...

There are hundreds and hundreds of these small agencies.

But looking from outside you cannot really tell how much money you can make. Just like the list price on getty doesnt tell you that they sell their 600 dollar files for 60 cents or less to high volume customers.

stocksy is a coop, artist are coowners. they are very fair trade pay out 50% plus bonuses and have a very welcoming and loving vibe from the inside.

But they get tons of applications and only a small number of places are open every year.

However, they are not the only Macrostock agency or Macro portal. There really are a lot of places.

But getting accepted in macro is one challenge, then getting files accepted the next, because the editors edit for "artistic style" to make it fit the "theme" of their agency and then...you have to wait to see sales. In the macrostock world it is very common that customers only pay every three months or even later. Many images are returned and then suddenly money is deducted and if you are working with a distributor then it might take 18 months or longer for the first sales to appear in your account.

Macro is a very slow world, individual sales can be a lot higher but can also be lower than on microstock...2 cents...or several hundred dollars up to thousands of dollars for special licenses.

And since you first have to heavily self edit a series and then the editors might cut that in half...it is very hard to predict if you  make more money on macro than non exclusively on micro.

But personally I believe it is good to have exposure to all worlds, in themes, in style and in customer groups.

However Gettyimages is facing stiff competition from Shutterstock and Adobe. Fotolia has always had a large macrostock section, but the micro artist usually dont have access to that. Now with the money from Adobe I would expect them to grow that very strongly, especially if they start adding Editorial.

Shutterstock has Offset which looks like a small collection, but apparently they have in house solutions where customers get a macro style service and also pay much more for the files. We see that when we suddenly get 120 dollars for a file that usually sells for 30 cents.

But I dont know if they are planning to expand their premium section or if they just want to focus on normal Shutterstock.

So most likely the macro world in the future will not be just getty (very large) and hundreds of smaller places, but there will be a few more large players.

Sorry for the long rant, maybe it is useful to some of you.

I like Macro, they  take a lot of files normal micros would never accept and the beautiful collections are great for visual inspiration as well.

But you need a lot of patience and unfortunately nobody can tell you in advance which agency will work best for you.

So if stocksy doesnt take you, maybe have a look at a few others if you are interested in macro. And you can always apply again next year.

Thank you very much for such detailed post, i need time to think about everything you told.
But this "I like Macro, they  take a lot of files normal micros would never accept and the beautiful collections are great for visual inspiration as well" is strange, I have noticed it too. Why macro sites acceptance is much easier than micros?

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Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 12, 2018, 14:53 »
I just the expected generic rejection. Oh well...  ::)
that's sad ((((

I'm still waiting and in fear  :-[

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Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 12, 2018, 14:51 »

stocksy content is like cavan,offset,getty,corbis (nowgone), arcangel,westend and hundreds of other macro agencies. Some of these have a typical look to set them apart, while others are generalists and have several artistically styled collections. But it is all traditional macrostock.



Thanks for the all information you provided, very useful. What can you tell about Getty compare to Stocksy? Can you tell about sellings and content needs if it's possible :)

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Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 02, 2018, 04:03 »
I've read that Cavan owns copyright of your photos once they are sold. Is this true?


The photographer owns the copyright.

what the advantage to join the Cavan?


Hi res image at Cavan = $500 each. Hi res image at Stocksy = $125, that's 4 times more per image!
What about sellings? Ive heard that Stocksy has huge client base and contributors sell images regularly. Is Cavan good alternative to Stocksy?

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Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: January 01, 2018, 10:12 »
I applied to Stocksy a month ago when I first saw the call for artists and am still waiting for a response. Does anyone know how long the application process takes? I think it said two weeks when I submitted? Do they just not follow up if you're rejected?

I was also recently accepted to Cavan images where I did submit my editorial images with them. I also want to submit my commercial images to Cavan but can't yet because most of them are sitting waiting for a response from Stocksy.

Does anyone know if Stocksy has a time limit for removal of images after acceptance? I think Alamy has 60 days for example. I just don't want my images to be crossing paths between to exclusive sites if I am accepted to Stocksy!

I'm curious, a hi res image at Cavan is selling for $500, and hi res at Stocksy is $125, and they both offer 50% royalty to the photographer. Considering you're putting the same effort toward your shoot, what would be the advantage to join Stocksy?

what the advantage to join the Cavan?

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Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: November 26, 2017, 14:41 »
I didnt fill my social media links while registering, how can I fix it now? My account is under review

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Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: November 17, 2017, 00:21 »
Last news from recente accepted contributor a week ago is only new 6/7 new contributors
:-\

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Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: November 15, 2017, 15:06 »
100 its few either. I never thought about such little chances

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Stocksy / Re: Call To Artists is Open!
« on: November 15, 2017, 06:04 »
10??? Are you serious?
How this could be real  :o

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