Quote from: LDV81 on January 16, 2024, 12:03

Quote from: alan b traehern on January 16, 2024, 08:58

I wrote to the forum, not to you. Maybe you can tell me, what do you think of Bob Lazar, Billy Meier, Ed Walters, George Adamski, David Icke, Jonathan Reed, and Steven Greer? How about Roswell, Ray Santilli and the alien autopsy? Or are you only going with Grusch from now on and ignoring the long history of fakes and frauds.

As I said, please work on your logical reasoning skills. What you present here is a classic case of whataboutism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Maybe some, or all, of those people were frauds, maybe there were some nuggets of truth in their claims, I honestly don't know. Some are suspicious.
But whatever they claimed is absolutely irrelevant to the person of Grusch. They don't matter. All it takes is one single confirmed case and the whole denialism crumbles like a house of cards.

Grusch is an investigator tasked with this job by the US government. He did present evidence to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community - Thomas Monheim. Based on that evidence he briefed Congressmen about his findings. Coming out of the briefing, they said "Grusch's claims have merit", "Grusch is legit".

These are facts, for crying out loud.

Another fact is that a lobby in the House fought hard (and won) against the Schumer amendment, which had been passed earlier in the Senate. It is logical to assume that there is some struggle in the circles of power; some are for disclosure, others are against it.

Now, can I say with 100% certainty that what Grusch claims is true? No, I cannot, because I have no means to verify that information myself. And that is OK.

But if you think that Grusch doesn't say the truth, the IGIC told lies to the Congress Committe, then you must deal with one very serious question and that question is:

W*T*F is going on???

Escaping that question is intellectual laziness and mediocrity. If you think that there is something suspicious going behind the curtain, then there you go: that is a conspiracy theory, too.

Yes it is whatabout. Your history the mythology the beliefs the fantasy science fiction is all flawed, lies, fables, fakes and not science. What about that? Talk about escaping the question, you divert and don't answer. What about all the fakes and debunked stories for over 60 years. And your pal Lowls doesn't answer anything, he just turns into Donald Trump and starts spewing personal attacks, trying to bully anyone who disagrees. How childish.

If you want it all to be about Grush and parallel planes, that's fine. But you have to excuse me for pointing out, UFOs and Aliens have attracted a large set of liars and nut cases. Religious doomsday cults that ended in suicide. End of the world, with the aliens coming down to save us.
Whatabout the history and the false claims. That's a fair question to ask.

If I borrowed money from you and didn't pay it back, then borrowed again and didn't pay back, would you just find a way around that and loan me money again? The alien and ufo claims have been biased and unsupported and instead of payback, we just get more unsupported debunked claims and frauds. Why should I buy that? How many times does someone get fooled before they stop and see there's something wrong with the history? I'm not lending my trust to a proven set of lies.

Doesn't answer questions after specifically answering your questions despite your insults?

So you want everyone to know you vehemently do not believe in any of it and that you lack the self control to state that in a mature way or state that and leave the thread? Instead you rant like a petulant child because why - the path to truth didn't live up to your expectations and you've had enough?

The ufology scene is full of fakes and charlatans and has been for decades and the best way to change that is what ... come here and explode regularly and defiantly that'll learn em?

Makes sense

Although I fear you're wasting precious life by making this your hill to die on. Not even a tussock is it.

I pity you if you cannot enjoy stories and experiences and campfire anecdotes about UFOs and take from them a secret excitement. All areas of life are filled with scumbags users and fakes but there isn't any point joining them. You've become the same at the other end of the scale.

Well rant away if you wish I can't stop you and hurl all the insults you feel you need to. It won't change anything out there. Personally I've always enjoyed ghost stories and have been lucky enough to have seen a couple of ghosts and years later something happened regarding one that I saw that was humbling. And although I've looked up forever I've only ever seen one UFO. Maybe it was aliens who knows. I feel we will soon find out if the possibility has grown. Or we will not. Hating and ranting won't change that outcome it will however change the wait. Meanwhile I'll keep posting events around the disclosure effort and you can call me more names it's fine. You've explained why you feel the way you do so jave at it and maybe we can give you some wonder back and soon.

Quote from: Lowls on January 17, 2024, 02:39

...I tend to take photos that aren't represented very well.

Good photos are already well represented, and that's what I try to do. 
For my part, in 18 years, I have never complained about rejections, especially at Adobe. I just silently reacted by trying to progress and perfect my skills.
100% acceptance for my last batch at Adobe, I must clarify that I do not use and will never use AI to replace my photographic work. I know and I'm waiting for Adobe to clean up its contributors, that will come. It�s inevitable, simple law of supply and demand. And the complaints will rain...

You misunderstand - certain subjects aren't represented very well. Good photos obviously are. But if you are perfecting your craft to get better then it can only benefit you. If you are perfecting your craft to provide better quality to Adobe you are literally wasting your time. Rarely are these images appearing on gallery walls and selling for hundreds. And with the inclusion of A.I. imagery your appeal will be diluted among them.

Fast and dirty is the way it's going with a stack it high and sell it cheap business plan. And you know that because that's happening at all of the agencies. So quality isn't gonna get you sales like it did. Subject matter will.

I agree with you A.I. isn't photography its paint by numbers using someone else's hands and paints and fooling yourself that you've created a masterpiece. I won't be using it because I enjoy what I do. I've been doing it a long time and it's my one love. But I won't continue to submit regularly to a system that is flawed when previously, when I lacked the skill and equipment I do now, I managed better approval rates and still do with other agencies. I'm not great but I'm ok at the basics.

For those who want to speed things up and want proof now. For $9.99 you can download an app called CE5 contact which guides you through meditation and tones to call in UAP.

 https://youtu.be/v03hbaEnSGM?feature=shared

😳

And the latest news features a UAP which bares the dubious names "Spaghetti Monster" and "Jelly Fish" uap.

Initially released as a still followed by footage and later by a stabilised version.

The still was imidiately derided as bird poop and balloons.

The footage was equally destroyed.

The stabilised version (suspiciously meticulously timed) shows that the object is actually rotating and is also shown at various distances removing the bird poop theory. However that remains out there as the chief explanation because not many have followed the story.

So balloons is the explanation by Mick West. Case solved yesterday with a neat little video showing all his workings. It's still categorised by the US military as UAP because they have much more data. Film. Instrumentation, experience and witnesses and no idea what it is.


https://youtube.com/shorts/DbH-M4wzXiw?feature=shared

Mick Wests claim yesterday

https://youtu.be/ojotsKjshHc?feature=shared

Corbell and Knapp give more detail
on the source of the video


https://youtu.be/aqsqcJ6DZsg?feature=shared

Quote from: LDV81 on January 14, 2024, 09:32

Quote from: alan b traehern on January 14, 2024, 07:14

Quote from: LDV81 on January 13, 2024, 14:09

Quote from: alan b traehern on January 13, 2024, 11:10

Another phony pseudoscience story is deflated. Pop go the aliens.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/they-are-not-aliens-peru-officials-debunk-claims-that-figures-are-extraterrestrials/ar-AA1mTjPM?OCID=ansmsnnews11
"The conclusion is simple: they are dolls assembled with bones of animals from this planet, with modern synthetic glues, therefore they were not assembled during pre-Hispanic times," Estrada said. "They are not extraterrestrials; they are not aliens."

In the light of the recent events, that story and your post are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT and uninteresting. Red herring.
In other news, yesterday it didn't snow in Morocco.

I thought you would be against lies, deception and coverup. Instead you try to defend the science fiction fantasy, fake news about alien bodies. This is over but another claim or fake will replace it. There are no alien corpses, no photos, no evidence, every. It is completely relevant to the UFO alien cult that will believe any trash fake news and spread it like it's real. Don't you have any integrity or standards in your search for the truth?

I suggest you sharpen your reading-with-understanding skills and work on logical reasoning.

You have built a strawman and now you are burning it. Where did I write that the mummies were real? Did any of the serious people working in the field (Nolan, Elizondo, Grusch, Mellon, Coulthard) even picked up the story? No, they avoided it, perhaps because they knew it was a distraction. Who cares about the dolls when there is Grusch?

"in the light of recent events" = an investigator working for the US government had made some very serious and specific claims about a cover-up and more. On Friday, the Inspector General informed the Congress Committee about his findings based on the evidence provided to him by Grusch. After the briefing, Congressmen said "Grusch is legit", "Grusch's claims have merit".

And that is the real story, not some mummies. The briefing is a FACT. It is a scandal that many mainstream media chose to cover the mummies and remained silent about the implications of the briefing. You pick some facts that fit into your denialist worldview and choose not to see the real story.

You have swallowed the red herring that most likely was thrown to the denialist crowd as a distraction. Bon app�tit.

I wrote to the forum, not to you. Maybe you can tell me, what do you think of Bob Lazar, Billy Meier, Ed Walters, George Adamski, David Icke, Jonathan Reed, and Steven Greer? How about Roswell, Ray Santilli and the alien autopsy? Or are you only going with Grusch from now on and ignoring the long history of fakes and frauds.

The thing is ma'am you can't lump them all together as fakes and frauds because it doesn't work like that over the span of time you are talking about involving these people. Of those mentioned that I specifically know alot about

Greer - was great is now loony tunes but he did bring a lot and still does, members of military organisations, high and low ranking to the table with their testimony. He's loony tunes because he also takes money and goes out into the wilderness waving torches and lasers around and claims to call down aliens. So he isn't fake he exists and has done great things and also hilariously stupid things.

Santilli - real although his autopsy is fake by his own admission and has been proven as such for decades. He is holding on to something though which if you've researched him he may wheel out. It's unlikely anyone will believe him but you take each detail as it comes.

Roswell is certainly real all day long. All day long. It wasn't project mogul and it wasn't a weather balloon. In fact it's looking more and more like the genesis of this whole saga. I won't even get into Roswell because its already been verified and more to come on that when it comes.

Lazar - again subjective. Those who've investigated him have pulled up for and against arguments. However if you read skeptical accounts they avoid certain facts. If you fall on the urologists side same. Bob did work at LA he did take Geroge knapp out there and he did know everyone. But what details aren't often mentioned.
LA claimed to George Knapp that he worked there and if he wrote to them they'd send his resume. So George did. And he called them and wrote again and eventually have it one last shot and then they said he didnt work there.

Then George found his name and number in the LA labs phone book. So confronted with this they admitted he did work there but all he was involved with was collecting people's radiation badges. This is funny because that's quite an important job and wouod require qualifications they say he doesn't have. He also recalled a device used for security that scanned bones. This was also debunked by LA. Until Corbell found one for sale years later. And you can search for that yourself but it literally does what Lazar said it did back in the day in interviews. So Lazar you pay your money and takes your choice.

It doesn't matter if you go through them all because Grusch is a different ball game. And this isn't being investigated by a goofball on some weekly show with bad music and graphics. This is being investigated by the ICIG and laws are being written and passed to bring the details kicking and screaming into the public domain.

Its coming. You don't have to believe it, like it, support it, want it or deny it, its literally, you are literally irrelevant. You matter like dust or leaves. Your pathetic comments are lost energy and worthless dross that are funny because they please you to write them and morons click likes ... and all the while, day after day, more and more is being dumped online from credible sources and organisations and it won't matter what you have done or haven't done it'll happen all the same.

I'm also irrelevant. I just keep tabs on things and post stuff that comes from people that aren't greer lol. People that are 100% working to a timed agenda. And it isnt their book or documentary or own ego ... they are dropping this stuff in a very controlled manner and you know that because Corbell and Knapp have had thise stuff for 5 or less years and said nothing. And out of the blue we are getting regular drops. Followed by background. They drop it knowing exactly where its from and when and with what and by who and stay silent for a few days and let the morons froth and talk sh@t and then they drop the rest destroying people like Mick West.

Like this latest Jelly Fish UAP a few days ago. Mick went into overdrive stating where it was filmed and that it certainly wasn't over water so couldn't have done what was claimed. Today Knapp and Corbell dropped the rest and named the body of water and wheeled out one of the guys that had the footage on his hard drive in his military capacity.

It's being orchestrated like never before. And it's speeding up. And instead of wasting time lying or calling it nonsese we should be trying to work out why.

But believe what you want because you won't matter to the outcome.

Quote from: Lowls on January 16, 2024, 03:47

Just over half of submitted pictures rejected for "quality issues."

Another chunk for Shutterstock then which took all of the last lot after rejection by adobe. One of which has become my new best seller. One of which has won a prize and several of the others have sold a few times.

The quality issue is Adobe.

Don't hesitate to post here the picture (Ai? real photo?) which has won a prize and was rejected by Adobe. No doubt, you will not.
Shutterstock takes EVERYTHING

hahahahaha Adobe are no different. What a pathetic response.

And no I won't stupidly post the photo here so it can be copied and nor will I post the photos that are doing well despite adobe's rejection.

But I'm sure you'll post a photo of your best sellers here to show your confidence in the whole process.

We wait with baited breath 🙄

huh just found another adobe rejection that's a book cover. At least Shutterstock sell even if it's for peanuts it's some peanuts.

Quote from: Lowls on January 15, 2024, 03:58

Quote from: cascoly on January 14, 2024, 18:07

Quote from: LDV81 on January 13, 2024, 14:07

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The heck, even if only some part of Grusch's claims are true, it is a gamechanger, and the denialist worldview crumbles like a house of cards.

not sure who you're referring to as 'denialists', but  those critiquing here have never said there are no ET just that no conclusiive evidence has been presented yet.

No you and others have repeatedly called it nonsense, make believe, and worse whilst denigrating the evidence and testimony given by serving military and civilian alike.

Which is why when you see this reported and investigated you'll see they always turn to you, Pete and gang for advice and confirmation instead of experts military or otherwise. Your name crops up regularly along with Petes and Annie's and all the other denialists that have contributed regularly here. Thank goodness we have you.

always rely on you for name calling in place of facts - we do call out nonsense & misdirection - but we don't deny the possibilities - and we call the claims nonsense, not the claimers

And you do so often and loudly like an empty bowl. No substance to your claims other than "because you say so". Your bowl has grown smaller.

curious and out of the blue just dumped out there but the UKs Daily Mail did an expose on crash retrieval teams so interesting that this would appear.

https://youtu.be/YQDO0ZKroQc?feature=shared

*Congressman Garcia

There is a very big sway towards interdimensional. It seems to be being bandied about more and more. I'm not there on that one but it is concerning to see it more and more. Just another race seems inevitable but one or many that can open portals or doorways into our world seems incorrect. If so there should have been misshaps that exposed them more often. Nothing is infallible.

Also being spoken about more and more is self replicating drones that have been doing so in our seas. At least two plants have been reported or leaked.

Whatever it is I think it is clear it isnt us and it isnt understood very well.

And it is obvious that whatever time frame had been the case has been completely sped up. The rate at which information is coming out is breakneck. Already hints from the briefing today. And I know that much more is coming and bloody soon. The hint is that it's days not weeks. This doesn't lend itself to an interdimensional race scenario but rather something on its way or something captured that's revealed a timescale.

I think whatever they shot down over Alaska was significant. At this point even if they did follow Schumers amendment and begin mass declassification of material - what purpose would that serve.

The idea is that you cost adobe less money and they make more. Like all companies they are pushing costs onto the clients. The difference with adobe is that they are also pushing the costs onto the staff that don't work for them

Quote from: Lowls on December 31, 2023, 05:35

Would it be shocking that we are being visited. Or that we are being abducted. Or that there is growing concern that there is a increasing number of 'spheres' being logged around the world by military forces.

I think conclusive proof of either one of those would be quite shocking.  I hadn't heard much about the "spheres" you mentioned so looked it up and found this from last June (https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4030026-us-military-has-been-observing-metallic-orbs-making-extraordinary-maneuvers/).  Not sure if you have posted this previously.  The video linked to the article is not very convincing - very blurry - but these objects seem to have been detected by different types of sensors so definitely real.  No proof that they are extraterrestrial but certainly something interesting that needs an explanation.

No, no proof that they are extra terrestrial in origin at all that I have seen. And the one that was made public/leaked was the Mosul Orb. Filmed from a military drone if memory serves. Though this first surfaced and was dismissed by all until last year. As it is now we watched ARRO, headed up then by Sean Kirkpatrick, reporting to congress and explaining about the numerous reports of these spheres whilst showing the leaked video to them.

Post deleted as obviously I made an error by quoting something that appeared to have been just posted which was actually from September of last year. Very odd but never the less now completely out of context and therefore the response from me was garbage.

Quote from: Lowls on December 31, 2023, 05:35

Would it be shocking that we are being visited. Or that we are being abducted. Or that there is growing concern that there is a increasing number of 'spheres' being logged around the world by military forces. This is a fact that Kirkpatrick admitted and is a matter of record. They appear to be probes. They are being witnessed by all nations. None seem to know the source and claim it isnt theirs. They can't be caught, or shot down. Although other craft have been. Alaska being the latest well known craft.

Let's hope it's not the Daleks. Although in that case, I am sure the Doctor would help out yet again.

Only Tom Baker has the panache to pull off a 2024 fight for humanity. If its Sylvesta McCoy we're screwed.