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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 10:05 »
Thanks so much Serban, for stepping in and clarifying this one.  It's very reassuring to see that when these things happen it's justified.  In an industry where our incomes are so vulnerable and unpredictable, it's hard to feel sure-footed when we only hear half the story.

I wish all the agencies would have a presence in MSG to clarify these things and allay our fears.

Absolutely. I think Serban has been generous to a fault in permitting one account to remain open.

To the OP. Consider yourself VERY lucky indeed. Thanks for nothing for giving us such a one-sided and inaccurate picture of events. IMHO this was intentional fraudulent activity rather than an 'accident' as you claim. I find it laughable that you are still attempting to claim innocence.

Yes keep the bashing coming in. I'm very tired of explaning again and again...

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 08:01 »
To be honest, we share the camera during some assignments ;)  

I think you really should be something else than taking turns pressing the shutter button. How about having your own shoots; one of you shoots and the other one is an assistant? You know; "This is my shoot, tomorrow is your shoot."

yeah. that would be perfect scenario and what we will plan in future. however, during certain times, timing, sunset, it will be much easier to do shoot from one camera from convenience purpose. you are selling for less than 1usd anyway.  also we'll have to watch out shoots in small studios





So the exif data would tell the agency that pictures of the same subject, taken moments apart on the same camera are being uploaded to different accounts. That's just asking for trouble - particularly as the duplication seems to suggest you don't know who took what. In any case, it would be better use of your time for you to be shooting different things so that you don't compete against each other.

If you have separate accounts elsewhere you probably ought to do some thinking about what you are going to do about them, before other admins wake up to the apparent problem.

yes. we are looking into it. we faced issues too but they weren't so fussy about similar photos  however we gotta becarefu, doing a review now

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 06:39 »
I guess this incident will have a huge impact on ,our goals/directions in life, and the way My wife and I need to work together during stock assignments.

Yeah, don't use tripods next to each other, lol.

To be honest, we share the camera during some assignments ;)  

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 06:36 »
Hi guys,
 Let's wrap things up, I think there will be no more results from this thread and no point of protesting further.

First my account has been instated, however I'm still need to verify my wife's account when she's back( althought i think it's not good) .  We would like to thank Serban for enabling my account back and for the helps provided.

I would like to personally thank all of you who have shown support and gave us the contacts. Anyway let this be a warning to any husband/wife/team who has been using the same setups , equipments,computers , etc. I guess this incident will have a huge impact on ,our goals/directions in life, and the way My wife and I need to work together during stock assignments.

 How vulnerable things at microstock can be. Years of hard work gone in a night. We will start to slowly diversify into a more tangible industry.

cheers

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 06:01 »
Why would i want to waste my time to sign up for 2 accounts in the same agencies to submit 2 times while i'm having issues to submit to all agencies.
The fact is that you did do it, whatever your reasons.
My advice to you is to stop trying to make excuses and justify yourself as you could make things worse and cause Serban to take back his offer.  Just accept what Serban has offered without insisting on getting more ( having your wife's port reinstated instead of yours) and think yourself very lucky for getting even that.

No, I did not sign up for 2 accounts. it's a fact.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 05:43 »
I know our profiles are linked to same website too ,which is mine .maybe that caused further suspiscious. Just last week i recieved a complimence for a happy dreamstime customer who bought photo from her but sent the message to me instead as she followed her profile link to my website.

Quote
Hi,
 The photo was taken by my wife. She said it's a lovely postcard and thanks for the nice complimence.

Cheers!
 


Yuliang
Photographer
Kuala lumpur , Malaysia
012-6361022

www.yuliang11.com


    From:
    To: [email protected]
    Sent: Thursday, 14 July 2011 10:52 PM
    Subject: Your photo of the tea plantation

    Hello, I bought your photo of the tea plantation in the Cameron Highlands from Dreamstime. What a stunning, beautiful photo! I have an inspirational website, and I used it for today's picture (www.PostcardsFromGusto.com). I've had people email me already this morning asking where the photo was taken. I told them and then gave them your website, as listed in Dreamstime, so they could see more of your amazing work. Also, I have a Facebook page and will be crediting you for the photo there as well today (the facebook page is called "Gusto").

    Keep taking beautiful photos! I love your art.


    ~ Gusto

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 05:33 »


Of course there is an extra profit - in your case you get double the exposure of the same content in the search , not to mention that you completely circumvent the anti-similars policy at DS

My wife's content sells 3 times higher than me. It must have been her profile has been booked marked by some designers. Would it be much more better if i'm uploading to her account ? There are still plenty of microstock sites to be submitting too . Why would i want to waste my time to sign up for 2 accounts in the same agencies to submit 2 times while i'm having issues to submit to all agencies.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 05:27 »
After looking into the "Why are you anonymous" thread I realized that we don't really want to punish someone for criticizing while making it public, especially as your tone was polite. I hope this will make people understand that their posts should be decent and as objective as possible, while their identity shouldn't be hidden.

I strongly disagree with your current denials and hope you will realize and admit it. Most probably if it wasn't for that thread we would've blocked both of them. As a general rule, one shouldn't aggravate results when things are obvious. Burning bridges is also very unwise as the recent migration from elsewhere shows.

We will not suspend both your accounts but the newer one. Reuploading those photos and losing all work made in the past are penalties drastical enough.

Hi Achilles,
thanks for the offer. I Apologize for the similar contents for both my wife's and my acounts. However only 1 would be my account and i insist on that.  Could my account be deleted instead of my wife's account? She's far more active than me and had worked very hard to build good content for customers.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 04:02 »
Well this is one very good example of why is important to hear both sides of the story. I completely agree with Serban.

Me too.
It would have been impossible for your wife to have taken a photo of herself sat down and got into exactly the same position so that you could then take her photo. The hand positioning and everything is the same.

What if you are using the same equipment sometimes on a tripod ?

You're just trying to rationalize an obvious situation . Try another what if - what if many contributors start using multiple accounts .

We are NOT using multiple accounts.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 03:57 »
Anyway , there are no extra profits in posting the exact same photos again or on a different account. The popularity of the photos will also be diluted as buyers will be confused.

Because for your wife to have taken that photo herself she would have had to have moved the position of her hands and they are in exactly the same position in both photos.  You tried to buck the system and got caught out.  In a way I feel sorry for you both but if you cheat you have to accept the consequences if you get found out.


What if you are using the same equipment sometimes on a tripod ?

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 03:41 »
Well this is one very good example of why is important to hear both sides of the story. I completely agree with Serban.

Me too.
It would have been impossible for your wife to have taken a photo of herself sat down and got into exactly the same position so that you could then take her photo. The hand positioning and everything is the same.

What if you are using the same equipment sometimes on a tripod ?

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 03:25 »
You can't persuade me that your wife (appearing in the photos above) did a self-portrait of her:
Szefei:
and then you also did a portrait of her
Yuliang:

These may be from different sessions, is just that we don't believe you after receiving these image on both accounts:
Szefei:
Yuliang:




anyway the leech photo was my leg. Its not so so hard to get the same photo on a tripod if you are using the same equipments or things get mixed up when you submit to > 7 micro sites and a few macro sites.  But we are still two different people with 2 different accounts. Would it be possible for us to delete the similar photos and just enable back our accounts?

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 03:12 »
Normally support deals with this issues and I'm sure a response was already given, but if you posted this thread here, here we go.

Customer support doesn't work during weekends, so if you email on Friday, you should wait for a reply on Monday or Tuesday.

The OP has submitted images via two accounts, claiming one of them belongs to his wife. It is not the case, when two people create photographs the style and technique are significantly different.

If one needs a proof, here you go:
submitted via Yuliang account:
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_591/13002891516gE2c5.jpg
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_587/1299216773RrIfPI.jpg
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_591/1300291194yT3f5R.jpg
--leech-thumb12409953.jpg[/url]
--leech-thumb15750869.jpg[/url]

submitted via Szefei account:
--leech-thumb12409953.jpg[/url]
--leech-thumb15750869.jpg[/url]
http://www.dreamstime.com/girl-writing-thumb18897563.jpg
http://www.dreamstime.com/girl-writing-thumb17753876.jpg

It's not only a matter of distributing content on two accounts, but also of submitting identical images.  

We don't tolerate any kind of spam or fraud attempts. No, it's not true that as a big agency we are now arrogant. It's just that we don't like people using tricks to multiply their portfolios or pushing fraudulently their work in front of others. And then playing the honest contributor role... If you were caught red-handed at least admit your guilt and act responsibly. Most probably we would've closed the newer account as a penalty. Considering this continued "mouse and cat" game aggravated we will now suspend both accounts.

PS: I no longer read this forum due to the anonymous rants and flaming so if anyone wants any extra details, please contact me via Dreamstime.


Hi, i think it's also very unfair that you took only a few of the images to be compared. Sze fei has over 2000 photos on her profile while I have only over 1000 photos.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 03:08 »
Normally support deals with this issues and I'm sure a response was already given, but if you posted this thread here, here we go.

Customer support doesn't work during weekends, so if you email on Friday, you should wait for a reply on Monday or Tuesday.

The OP has submitted images via two accounts, claiming one of them belongs to his wife. It is not the case, when two people create photographs the style and technique are significantly different.

If one needs a proof, here you go:
submitted via Yuliang account:
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_591/13002891516gE2c5.jpg
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_587/1299216773RrIfPI.jpg
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumb_591/1300291194yT3f5R.jpg<br --leech-thumb12409953.jpg[/url]<br --leech-thumb15750869.jpg[/url]

submitted via Szefei account:
--leech-thumb12409953.jpg[/url]
--leech-thumb15750869.jpg[/url]
http://www.dreamstime.com/girl-writing-thumb18897563.jpg
http://www.dreamstime.com/girl-writing-thumb17753876.jpg

It's not only a matter of distributing content on two accounts, but also of submitting identical images.  

We don't tolerate any kind of spam or fraud attempts. No, it's not true that as a big agency we are now arrogant. It's just that we don't like people using tricks to multiply their portfolios or pushing fraudulently their work in front of others. And then playing the honest contributor role... If you were caught red-handed at least admit your guilt and act responsibly. Most probably we would've closed the newer account as a penalty. Considering this continued "mouse and cat" game aggravated we will now suspend both accounts.

PS: I no longer read this forum due to the anonymous rants and flaming so if anyone wants any extra details, please contact me via Dreamstime.


Hi,
I can assure sure that there are 2 people behind the accounts. We have been shooting together for more than 5 years, we shoot together all the time that explains the angle.. That's explains the similarity in style. We also uses the same equipment that explains the same angle. Sometimes its just too bulky to 2 people to carrying the same equipment in a single shoot.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 10, 2011, 02:15 »
I didn't see anyone asking - is one of you a referral to the other ?

I did try to refer her, however there were issues with the refferal that time, it was registered as refferal .So nope, neither of us are refferal of each other in Dreamstime. Any issues with refferal with friends and family ? I do not think so right?

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 09, 2011, 22:58 »
Serban, the CEO of Dreamstime, profiles are here...  He goes by the name Achilles

MSG Profile : http://www.microstockgroup.com/profile/Achilles/
Dreamstime Profile: http://www.dreamstime.com/achilles_info


Thanks, that was very helpful


So has everything been resolved now?  Are both your accounts active?


Nope, we replied and explained however there are no replies from Dreamstime yet as of the that message they sent to my wlife. I've pmed serban too.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 09, 2011, 22:39 »
Serban, the CEO of Dreamstime, profiles are here...  He goes by the name Achilles

MSG Profile : http://www.microstockgroup.com/profile/Achilles/
Dreamstime Profile: http://www.dreamstime.com/achilles_info


Thanks, that was very helpful

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Off Topic / Re: airbnb photographer job offer
« on: August 09, 2011, 21:15 »
Hey Airbnb is growing and looking for more photographers , if you are keen, please PM me


To refer a photographer, please send the following information:

The photographer's name
E-mail address
Location
Portfolio link
Camera specs


I can refer you to airbnb and the rest is up to airbnb to decide.

This is how it works for me in kuala lumpur. jobs are usually done when listings assignment a posted on website. you'll accept it , arrange with host for photography, upload and get paid. so time is flexible.

Thanks!

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 09, 2011, 20:53 »
Finally i've got a reply , Looks like i was right with our images being too similar. I explained however there are not replies from dreamstime yet since the past 8 hours. It seems dreamstime only bother to send email to my wife and not me. They have send her the terms and told her having 2 accounts is against the terms. i'll see what happens next.


Buy a calling card to call them. It's not that expensive. Also Serban is sometimes active on this site. Send him a sitemail.

Ok ill send him my regards. Ive looked and there are no user by the name of serban. any knows what username he's using ?


I'm sorry to hear about this. I've always liked DT but it seems that as these sites grow away from their roots they become disrespectful to their contributors. DT SHOULD have found the time to discuss this with you and see if there was an innocent explanation for whatever the problem was.

In general, I think husband and wife teams shooting the same things is a bad idea. When they have one "exclusive" on one site and the other "non-exclusive" everywhere (and I know you said this isn't what you were doing) I think it is verging on the downright dishonest.

Believe me with the current situation, there are no way of me going exclusive to anyone.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 09, 2011, 06:16 »
waiting is pathetic. it's been more than a few days. i guess i'll have to find a way to contact them

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 08, 2011, 04:13 »
AFAIK DT is still dealing with account issues from their European office. Had a similar experience before.

Forget a response within 24 hours during weekends. Nobody works there. Might be different if Yuri would complain though... Who knows?

Tomorrow, Monday you should receive a response which could be: "Thank you for contacting us. Your account is under review, bla bla, we'll get back to you as soon as the investigation has finished - which means wait another 2 or more days until they actually have a proper answer.

It's sad that with a portfolio of that caliber that they wouldn't even bother to let you know what's going on.

As long as you guys used individual/separate releases (no digitized signatures) I have no clue what DT's problem is.

Release are definately seperated.

@yuliang11: Sorry for this happening to you, it must be quite a kick. Do keep us posted about what happens next, please. DT has a bit of a reputation of fairness in treating its contributors.

Ok. still waiting for reply from them. i guess today is Monday here in S.E asia, i think i'll get a reply by tommorow morning.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 07, 2011, 11:18 »


with skype is too? they should be the one to call you, I really dont understand why they dont respect our hard work :/
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no one will, it's microstock world ;) , i'll wait another 48 hours then i'll use skype. thanks for the suggestion

to be honest i feel luckly to have diversified enough on micro/macro stock. submit to more angencies , and taking up photography assignments. it's not the loss of temporary income that saddened me however it's how vulnerable this industry can be especially to small contributors like us.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 07, 2011, 11:13 »
Its been more than 24 hours. no replies. yawn

give them a call, weekend not easy but should be

well i'm from the other end of asia. the issue is calls are very expansive here to US.  :-\

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 07, 2011, 10:29 »
Its been more than 24 hours. no replies. yawn

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Account disabled at Dreamstime.
« on: August 06, 2011, 20:38 »
Closing accounts without communicating with the contributors first? That is heavy-handed.

They can easily put the royalties on hold and suspend uploading privileges while they investigate.

But first the contributor should be notified.

Yes, we received nothing in advance and we are doing stock photography in a full time basis .We have been selling actively for the past 3 years, we may not have large port however we are concentrated on our niche area.

 If you think you have escaped your working life finding a better flexible life in stock business , you are  wrong. Stock photography strictly a master+slave business. Of all the agencies i thought dreamtimes would have the best policy towards contributors. Looks like you cannot build trust in these type of business

 You may be earning something to feed yourself today  but agency can do anything to you tommorow and you'll never know    ;)

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