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There is a great thread going in the SS archives somewhere about the life of a reviewer worth checking out.

My acceptance/rejection thing has really changed, thanks in part to this thread and other things.  Much of it lies with "will this photo sell, and would we be proud to sell this photo?"  If either of these answers is a no, expect a rejection.  Few sites are nice like BigStock or IS and really tell you what the deal is, typically you get a canned response and that is the end of it, figure it out on your own. 

It is either A: head back to the drawing board with the concept, it won't sell, or B: Good concept, but poor execution prevents us from tarnishing our good name by selling this crap to our customers.  I wish that all rejections came in one of these two flavors, that is it, but alas, we get the myriad reason that half the time or more aren't really why they rejected them, just an excuse. 

SS rejects all of my weaker shots for focus, I thought my lenses were out of whack or sharpening was an issue but no, the just didn't think that they would sell so hit the focus button.  I've never had a focus rejection elsewhere, BigStock told me that the DOF was too shallow once, cool, different than focus though, it's kinda grating when they tell you that you can't focus your darn camera, pretty insulting, but I let it slide as "we don't like it", which is fine, their sell through rate is too good to question their eye for salablilty.

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Nature is a tough one because you run into that segment of the photography world that typically is very experienced, does it out of love, and usually has great equipment: the birders (who also tend to get a lot of great nature/wildlife shots while out birding).  I don't know of any specialized sites for the general photographer, though I do know a few guys that have pooled their resources and put together a fine art/stock site devoted to nature in general with a large bird section.  Finding some people that share a common interest (I'm sure that there are a ton), that would like to get their work out their somehow and getting together your own website might be a good way to go.  I recently pointed a buddy of mine on Flickr towards photoshelter with the same predicament, pretty good bird/nature photographer.  I can show you an example of the group of guys' site that I'm talking about if you pm me.  I'm sure that there is a way that a 3rd party could host the site and deal with any printing/downloading/financial interests.

Smiling Jack - I'd love to see some of your aerial work.  I always whip out my camera when I fly (commercially) and I get nice clear skies, and I've got the PPing down to where I think that they look pretty darn good, not good enough technically to ever get accepted by a regular micro agency (if anybody has the PS skills to turn a 30,000 ft shot into a stock worthy shot, technically at least, wow, my hats off to you), but if there is any group of my photos that I just set to slideshow and enjoy, these are the ones.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/waldo4/sets/72157602444373898/
I've got a ton more to process, but they take so long that I only work on one when I'm really up to it.  I think that the evolution of PPing is definitely noticeable, maybe I'll do a Mize-like tutorial (sans the video) someday on my workflow and techniques for them.  I'm sure some of the pro level guys here would find the PPing to be nothing special, but for the PS amateurs and learners, commercial aerials are IMO the most challenging type of shot and they are really where I learned and became comfortable with the different modes (RGB, CMYK, LAB) in PS, especially LAB, and where I really tuned and honed my eyes for color.

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Adobe Stock / Re: This is odd...
« on: March 09, 2008, 12:45 »
Flickr runs into problems like this a lot, their explanation is that it has to do with the structure of the internet and not anything on their side.  As you progress higher up in the internet superhighway of information, you come to I believe 7 primary nodes at the highest point.  Occasionally there can be problems communicating between the nodes, hence sites on the node that your IP is on work fine, while others on that are on another can work erratically or be very slow.  I never had this happen with Fotolia, but at times Flickr grinds to a halt because of it (I'm on the Eastern US node and Flickr resides on the Western US one), but their traffic has to be top 10 overall, probably close to top 5.

I get the exact same error that you are experiencing whenever I do not have cookies enabled at Fotolia, either that may be your problem or it may be having a hard time reading your cookies.

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Software - General / Re: Photoshop CS2 or CS3
« on: March 08, 2008, 19:51 »
Beware that the latest versions of Adobe Camera RAW are only supported by CS3. For example RAW files from Canon EOS 40D can't be processed with CS2...

Other than that there is some difference in advanced functionality - you can easily find it on adobe website where they provide side by side comparison. But if you are moving from version 6 this functionality is unlikely to be of great importance for you.

16-bit processing is already quite good in CS2.

Aren't updates to the ACR supported cameras available well after the fact?  For example, I got CS2 about 6 months ago, though my 350D was supported by it from the get go, several cameras were not, though the update done while registering brought the product up to date with all the RAW formats on the market.

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There are tons of people who make what you call clip art. They make pictures of stuff like scissors, dice, water drops, staplers, computer mice, and car keys. Some shots are isolated, some aren't. Some include hands, some don't. If that's how you want to define stock photography, and making that sort of imagery 'floats your boat', then go for it. Be the best clip art maker out there!

One of your 100 posts, Waldo4, sticks out in my mind. In it you presented a few samples of your work. I took a quick look and classified only one of the images - an exterior shot of a theater(?) - as stock. The other shots (I can recall some flowers and a vaulted ceiling), although nice to look at, are definitely not stock material.
Fine art: yes.
Commercial stock photography: no.


The items you describe, plus the type of stuff found on "5000 images" CD's that are available is what I think of as clip art (if fact it wouldn't surprise me if the makers of those CD's are just someone with a commercial CD burner and a SS subscription).  Then again there is the whole segment of shots with people, but minus a model or willing person to work with that remains closed to me.

Funny, I never would have thought of the theater front as stock (I really don't like the shot all that much anyways, very much not my style with architecture, but it is one of a handful that I have taken with a lens wider than 50mm, the point I was trying to illustrate with the post), but I did upload the ceiling to a few sites and it has sold well at SS.  The flowers too I never would consider (especially the last one, the shot is pretty awful IMO), but they were illustrating the difference between a standard focal length and macro in the post.

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I offer you a look at my portfollio on DT. Use it as an example of the niche I have found.
I do strictly concept images. Half photo's half digital art.

I concentrate on business, and marketing, as well as the internet as a whole.
Peruse it if you wish and gather some ideas from me to get you jump started.

http://www.dreamstime.com/rjmiz_portfolio_pg1

The MIZ


One theme that runs through your work, it goes back to my first post, it is all presented as clip art.  The camera angles, the approachability, everything about the way it is presented has a lot in common with clip art.  Which is fine, it is what sells.  If anything however I have no interest however in getting ideas from others, I have plenty of my own, maybe themes and generalities, but that really is as far as I like to use others.

I'm just trying to find a way past the Fotolia "this is not stock" rejection in a way.  It will help me everywhere, a lot, but I basically hit a brick wall there and had almost 25 straight rejected for the same reason.  They have my lowest acceptance rate by a pretty good margin, though since I came to this realization I had 2 straight accepted.

Hmmm...post #100.

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So keep it simple.

That is essentially what I talked about. 

"Be creative...forge ahead...stop trying to figure things out"

Things like this are nice to think about, then again it doesn't help much when 10 out of a batch of 10 are rejected for not being stock because of being creative, and I essentially wasted 20 hours of work for absolutely nothing in return.

I have all day when at my job to sit and ponder and think about things, it is what I am paid to do anyways, pondering and thinking does nothing to my camera or PP time, but hopefully makes it more efficient.

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The trouble is the "this is not stock" rejection that I face on 60% or more of my shots at Fotolia (I have considered dropping them as the amount of time spent uploading is an absolute waste of my time, it'll just be rejected anyway, if not, it won't sell).  It helps to have an idea as to who your customers are.  It's easy when your customer is a bride, or a newspaper and there is a specific task at hand, or even if it is the display of your ultimate in creativity as fine art.  But for an unspecified we want useful pictures (it honestly isn't any more clear than that anywhere), and that is about as much as you get, any clearing of the fog is helpful.

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General Stock Discussion / It hit me like a ton of bricks....
« on: March 07, 2008, 15:58 »
Ever since I joined the MS industry I have ever pondered what makes a good MS photo, after all #'s of photos don't make you money, good photos make you money, what the clients want.  What do the clients want?, there are so many thoughts about it, about what the customer base is and what they are seeking, all the sites tell you to go look at the big sellers, but that just tells you what others have done, if anything it saps creativity more than fostering it.  What are the vast majority of the clients looking for?

It finally occurred to me.  Maybe I'm way off (I'd love to hear the thoughts of those more experienced than me), but it is a theme that seems to run through my bestsellers and those on the sites.  Clip Art.  They are looking for good, high resolution, photographic, clip art.   Something just as accessible as a thumb as a large high res, something that is immediately understandable from the initial peek.  Clip art does not crop out lesser elements for a cool composition.  Whether a frame to frame shot or an isolation, all seem to be nothing more than a simple bit of clip art.  Sure they are infinitely more complex because of the medium and the possibilities with it, but when approached as a piece of art would be approached the same theme tends to emerge, on a basic level they are a piece of clip art.  Some have a story or a theme or a concept, but it is always very recognizable and understandable.  They are easy pics, just as clip art is.

With this in mind, marketable subject determination and how to frame and present that subject for the clients becomes much easier when you view your work not as an artistic masterpiece, but as a piece of clip art for a designer to put to use.

Thoughts anyone?  Have I possibly stumbled upon the frame of mind to have to be successful in the industry, instead of stumbling in the dark, throwing poop at the wall and seeing what sticks, which in many ways is how it feels at times.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Newbie question
« on: March 07, 2008, 15:36 »
I don't read a lot of magazines, but I was paying more attention to the photo magazines I occasionally buy, and I noticed that many of them use microstock photos without proper attribution - for example "photo by istockphoto" , they don't mention the name of photographer. Only one magazine I found using FT has "John Doe/Fotolia.com" which is very nice.

I am shocked that -photographic- magazines don't give proper attribution to photographers. And why they don't just use their reader's photos I have no idea.

Are magazine editors just plain evil or what?

You'll also find that many photo magazines also invite photographers to enter competitions to win goodies, when in the small print it gives the magazine a royalty free license to use the picture however they want.  The magazine industry is not the most honest.

Also, if you're in the UK, keep your eye on nuts and zoo if you shoot glamour, they tend to take photos without asking and only pay up when you see your picture and send them an invoice.

Worst part of it, some of the most photographically prestigious magazines are doing this.   I know that NG is one of the culprits, kinda sad really.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Stock Union
« on: March 07, 2008, 14:19 »
It would be very hard to get together a union when the vast bulk of the people involved are hobby users and not tied to it as a primary means of income.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Sub Sales Poll at Dreamstime
« on: March 07, 2008, 11:44 »
I'm the lone one at >30%, but take it with a grain of salt.  It was 1 in 3, so 33.3%

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Photo Critique / Re: Application to StockXpert
« on: March 07, 2008, 11:10 »
anything will pass, except the "soft" image. sharpen reasonably before submitting to StockXpert. Also they want isolated images not to contain any of remnants of background: that is isolated on white should have 100% white background.

Thanks, good advice, gives me some direction for the next app photos.  Just avoid the flowers  ;)

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Lame

Definitely have seen a lot better though out of amateurs, especially with the bird shots.  I've got a couple of contacts on Flickr that blow his doors off.

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Photo Critique / Re: Application to StockXpert
« on: March 07, 2008, 10:22 »
Just want to chime in a little and see if anybody has any broad advice.  I was rejected on try #1 for we aren't looking for this with no other explanation.  What tends to be a safe app photo or safe StockXpert photo in general?

For example, for SS I was told/gathered that you are best off submitting shots that could have no possibility of noise, best bets are isolations and textures.

For IS I was told that shots that shine without PP are the best bet, such as a few good landscapes.

Neither place should have a heavily shadowed shot or shot that has any DOF effects, just to be safe (they can always be submitted later once you're in).

Following that advice I was quickly was accepted to both.  StockXpert on the other hand....what is safe?  Isolations, still life's, textures, landscapes, models, etc...?

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Lighting / Re: New Light in town?
« on: March 06, 2008, 16:57 »
Sorry to dig up an old topic, just going through and reading some of the old stuff.  I do have quite a bit of experience with these lights, not for photography though, but I have considered it.

Compact fluorescent (CF) lights have become the standard for large aquariums because they have a nice spread, are fairly cool (temperature wise, still need cooling fans on an aquarium though), and are extremly bright (the trick with aquariums is to pump as much power into a small space as possible, while remaining cool, hence incandescent and halogen are out of the picture, bad heat:light ratio, with MH and HPS lights the ratio is manageable (ridiculous amount of light)), much brighter than is possible out of regular fluorescent tubes.  The light output is very high, I've got 4 55W tubes on my tank, for a total of 14,400 lumens (about 800W incandescent/1000W halogen power), in a relatively small space.  The bulbs come in a variety of color temperatures (always listed), but unless they are the standard temperature (5300K I believe) they can get expensive ($40+ per bulb), but they last seemingly forever. 

If I was to build a continuous burn lighting rig for my studio, this is definitely the route that I would go; much nicer soft spread than halogen without the fire safety concerns (better color temp control too).  But they aren't readily available everywhere so you may have to hunt (any good aquarium shop will have a variety of the more expensive specialty color temps, usually with 1 mirrored side on the tube to direct all light in one direction).  They aren't nearly as available as the small screw in ones (especially the fixtures), same principal on the lights though but much brighter.  They are flat 18" U tubes and take a special 4 pin base. 

Definitely not to be confused with regular fluorescents, these things are bright, very bright, yet cool enough that they don't burn you by touching them (close though, they do get hot).  Just looking at a tube, they hurt the eyes more than an incandescent light bulb would but less than a big halogen shop light, but still in the same league as the halogen.

I imagine a bank of 4 of these above an isolation table would be a great very bright yet soft and safe source of light.

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Oh for crying out loud.  This has to be the dumbest feature that I have ever seen on a camera, but you know that the public is gonna gobble 'em up.  I imagine that the % of people that actually PP shots taken with a digital camera is less than 10% (just take a look at the running stream of recent uploads on Flickr, eek), take away the SLR owners and that number probably drops to below 5%.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Eureka! Image Titles work
« on: March 06, 2008, 13:33 »
Problem is I doubt they have an IT department that is capable of writing improvements to the site, it simply isn't something that is necessary on the staff.  They can get by with management, reviewers, marketing, and accounting and a limited tech staff that is better with hardware than software.  They probably had somebody else program their site for them, in which case the core of the application can be working perfectly, but it can be loaded with a bunch of little bugs that take a lot of time to fix. 

In my experience dealing with things like this, the primary programmers will program the main app, but at the end once it is implemented and bugs come to the surface and need fixing, they send out the noobs to do the fixing, and often times just getting them to come out and fix the things is quite a struggle in itself.  Even if they have somebody competant on their staff to fix the issues, altering any of the base code would void the warranty on it, so they would be stuck waiting for the programmers that they hired to come out and fix it anyway.

Just the way things went with the implementation and the bugs and cleaning of them that is going on now, it leads me to believe that they did not in fact write the code in-house, and hired somebody else to do it.  The core of V2 seems sound though.

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The last way that I know of to make a shot bigger is to take multiple shots and let a panoramic stitching program assemble them.  Some programs can stitch in 2 dimensions automatically (autostitch comes to mind, the free version can only use .jpegs, but it really embarrasses Canon's and Adobe's stitching programs in performance).
Thanks, I've already tried this technique using Hugin for stitching, but resulting photo doesn't look as I was supposed so I didn't submit it, but I don't give up on this technique and will keep on trying to get good result.
(I have few good panorama photos which probably worth to be uploaded.)

I don't have any experience with Hugin, but if the stitching is the problem give autostitch a try, heck it is free (the only difference between the free and pay versions is the ability to handle .tiff files), it does a great job of distorting and balancing the files (they claim it can stitch fisheye shots, somehow I don't believe it, but any shots with a normal level of distortion shouldn't give it too many problems).  I know with the one shot I worked on, a little bit more on the sides (especially the mountains to the left) would have been great.  It is a great way to take landscape photos, even at a normal aspect ratio, take a small pano series (3-4 shots, lots of overlap) in portrait, stitch them together and crop to a natural landscape aspect ratio (3:2).  The trick to good panos is to rotate about the correct point, not the sensor plane or the camera body, but the point where the aperture blades appear to be by looking at the lens (not actually are).  Doing this minimizes the parallax shift and if you nail the location, completely eliminates it.

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You're essentially conning the designer, you may as well just upload it at the largest file size you have, since a designer can always add extra white space.

I don't see it as conning a designer (if you did this and then downsized, then yes, it is), you are still uploading in your native resolution, the resolution is no different, the image is just bigger.  A designer isn't going to care about what camera took the image and is the file larger than it can produce, they will see the image size and can evaluate the size of the object on the background and if it fits their needs, if the resolution hasn't been manipulated at all, how is it conning (upsizing through interpolation is conning).  Who you are conning is the agency to get your image accepted (unless you are shooting for size levels, but IMO that is a waste of time, the % of files downloaded at max size is pretty minimal (maybe IS is different)), especially since his camera actually does output in the minimum resolution required for FT (4 mp), but the aspect ratio is not the 3:2 of a DSLR that FT asks for (2400 x 1600 minimum).  Then again, without a huge and great portfolio, FT isn't going to do that much to help you get a new camera, especially at the eastern European prices for DSLR's, I could get a 5D for what he is facing for just an entry level DSLR.

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FT doesn't though, that is where the issue is arising for him.  Would they reject for extra sky?  It is a technique that I like to do on occasion, especially with a minimal diagonal comp, where I get as much of the object in the frame knowing that I am going to expand the sky in PP to get the final comp right.  Might as well add to instead of taking away from images if you can, especially since the final product will be better (higher resolution).

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One thing you can do to your images to get them a little bigger without upsizing the image is to add more to them.  This is especially easy for isolation shots, make your canvas a bit bigger to get over the threshold and add some more white. 

You can do the same with a pure blue sky (like the comp critique shot that I did for you), you just have to use the clone stamp.  Do the vertical dimension (the top) first because you'll want to remove any vignetting (it would look weird) before expanding in the horizontal dimension (not too many apps, but I just had one so they do exist, it was a shot that I thought would be perfect with a square comp, without cropping however, so I just added.  It is selling well at SS so I'm happy with the results).  You'll need to carefully clone when you expand horizontally because of the natural gradient of the sky.

The last way that I know of to make a shot bigger is to take multiple shots and let a panoramic stitching program assemble them.  Some programs can stitch in 2 dimensions automatically (autostitch comes to mind, the free version can only use .jpegs, but it really embarrasses Canon's and Adobe's stitching programs in performance).  Even if the quality isn't superb of the final product (.jpeg jaggies, though it can save at 12 quality), if you are stitching lots of photos together (overlap, overlap, overlap is the key) you can severely downsize in either Gimp or PS to eliminate the jaggies.  On my first try it assembled a 29 shot pano no problem for me (somewhat bad input files too, handheld with varying WB and exposure, perfect assembly though, completely seamless), the resulting file is absolutely ridiculous (60 mb .jpeg), but it is one heck of a cool panoramic.  Even with a 4 mp camera, if you do a 3x3 pano (9 shot) with good overlap and a little downsizing, you should be able to submit files that are just as big as those taken with a 12 mp camera without a problem.

All these methods are more work, but they'll get you closer to actually purchasing a high MP camera so you don't have to do them.

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I do it with a folder based system.  I have one master folder for stock, then each agency has a subfolder, with a general subfolder that holds the latest copy of each file.  The subfolder for each agency is basically an upload que, once I have uploaded it I delete it from the folder.  In some of those folders I keep a second folder for resubmit files (agencies I resubmit to) or an application subfolder (1 left to go).  I keep it completely untied to my database system used for tracking, that isn't used for files until they have been approved.

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I haven't had a DL in over a week, then again with my pitiful little portfolio can't make too much of it, though it was slow and steady before this last week.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Woo hoo, first try
« on: March 04, 2008, 15:58 »
Yeah I just got a bunch of shots approved that have been in the que.  We'll see how they do, some of them were some of my best abstract architectural stuff that FT denied for not being stock (still waiting at other sites), but I love taking 'em.

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