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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is Shutterstock dead?
« on: February 18, 2024, 14:03 »
SS used to be my best earner, now it's second last.  Freefall coincided with start of new payment scheme couple of yrs ago.   Oddly enough for Feb '24 SS is looking to be #1 (ahead even of Adobe).

I don't think SS is dead, or will be anytime soon, but certainly appears far from where it once was.

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Alamy.com / Re: your biggest sale on Alamy? and when was it?
« on: February 17, 2024, 14:17 »


This morning I had a nice surprise too


Very nice!  Alamy is totally unpredictable.   I had good run first half of last year, then like someone just pulled the plug in 2nd half. 

Alamy Rank is super important there, and CTR has big impact on the rank.  My CTR plunged since July/August and this can't be a coincidence.  It's now rebounding again, we'll see what happens.

Rkz91:  Alamy shows gross sale amount.  What you get paid depends on the tier you are in.  Most people that have semi regular sales will be in 40% tier nowdays

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Alamy.com / Re: your biggest sale on Alamy? and when was it?
« on: February 16, 2024, 22:07 »
$$$$ sale, 2 years ago

Wouldn't you like to find that one in use? Seems like an installation on a business/commercial property or public site.

Thought crossed my mind more than once.  It says in usage field "Indoor, Wall Decor".  But old Canon 6D image was taken with is just 20 Megapixel, can't make very large print out of it.  So it's bit of mystery.   Perhaps it has some sentimental factor because of that "Trail adopted by John Tomlinson" table,  which is not there anymore. 

I fully expected it was a mistake and there would be a refund.  But it cleared within a month.  Interesting enough, photo was simple point and shoot, taken for documentation of my hiking exploits.  At the end I didn't even use it for hiking page

https://autumnsky.zenfolio.com/usa/san-diego/iron-mountain

Used different shot I thought was better (1st in gallery) which was uploaded for stock too,  never got even 10 Shutterstock cents.   So you never really know much in this business

 







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Dreamstime.com / Re: Any tips for good keywording on Dreamstime?
« on: February 01, 2024, 15:13 »
For DT   Title / Description Fields are of largest importance.  Whenever customer search phrase is reported for me it's almost always something I had there.  This approach promotes accurate description of the asset, so it might be worth spending bit extra time.   Not all agencies index text fields though.   To my knowledge Alamy does, but IS, SS and AS don't.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Stock Review Time
« on: January 25, 2024, 14:53 »
Mine is now ultra fast too.  Last night uploaded 6 (3 editorial, 3 non-editorial).  All 6 accepted by the morning

Maybe algorithm is pushing down the queue ports with more/recent QA failures?  Alamy has something similar in place with their "QA Rating"

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Adobe Stock / Re: I can't find my approved images on Adobestock
« on: January 25, 2024, 14:47 »


Doesn't work for me, it shows the Featured Collections.


Scroll down, it's below Featured Collections.  It's way easier than manually manipulating URL. Firefox, Mac


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Adobe Stock / Re: I can't find my approved images on Adobestock
« on: January 24, 2024, 15:22 »
or just click on "Contributor Account" on Top Menu Bar, then "See my Public Profile" which will open in new Tab.

Sorting is interesting (in Public Profile View):  Not most downloads, not Chronological but something third

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Dreamstime.com / Re: The Dreamstime levels system
« on: January 24, 2024, 15:11 »
For what it's worth my DT experience is similar;   low earner, but keeping steady and not declining.  I also find them friendly, with these contests and very simple upload interface.   SS on the other hand is in a freefall ever since new payment scheme started few yrs ago. 

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Adobe Stock / Re: I can't find my approved images on Adobestock
« on: January 23, 2024, 22:05 »
Can you see images in your contributor portal?  Sort by Date not Downloads

Possible reason why you don't see them in external search:  Engine decides sometimes you have a typo in search term and retrieves results based on what it thinks you really meant.

I am able to reproduce this issue by typing "Cuyamaca Prairie Grassland" search term;   Engine doesn't like "Cuyamaca" word (California State Park Name) and returns results for "Catamarca Prairie Grassland" - which doesn't have my images.  But after I click "Did you really mean Cuymaca", it will correctly return my images.   

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Dreamstime.com / Re: The Dreamstime levels system
« on: January 22, 2024, 03:02 »
These are great points.

This is one of my level 5 photos; 30 downloads.   Look right - all 0.35.  It's like that all the way to 1st DL except just one at Level 4,  2.96,  16 credits

Levels concept sounds great in theory, but appears to have little practical benefit

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Dreamstime.com / Re: The Dreamstime levels system
« on: January 22, 2024, 00:55 »
My understanding is that levels are for a la carte downloads (Non Subscription);  so for higher levels buyer has to spend more credits & contributor payout will be higher.  But I agree with you;  I've been on DT over 5yrs & have some images level 5 but don't see difference.   0.35 standard sub (0.38 during Covid) most of the time.  Occasional 2.00 Sub,   super rare EL never more than 17.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: SS just screwed up the site again
« on: January 18, 2024, 00:30 »

You mean the inaccurate data claiming some photo was hot or not, when some of mine that sold best, were not ranked high and some with no sales, had been marked as interesting or climbing in popularity.

I also didn't think much of that feature & it's probably good it's gone.

But let me tell you what I think is the reason behind these frequent interface changes.  SS IT Department is too big.  They need raison d'etre, so they invent things.  It doesn't particularly bother me but they introduce bugs. In this last one I simply couldn't submit image with keyword they thought it was invalid, even after I checked "Yes, this is right"  & had to switch to legacy.  Maybe it's fixed now.   Compare this to minimalist AS Interface which has been static more or less since day 1 as they probably think time is better spent elsewhere.

Like many others here for me AS, with smaller port, is far outpacing SS.   First 17 days of Jan  AS = SSx7, incl. EL the other day.  The only thing right now in favour of SS is that it's still possible to get $$$ sale, although very rare.  On AS largest I had was 26.40, on SS 103.86


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Tool appears useful, but there are bugs

First: editorial images are not retrieved in results
Second:  It insists at min 2 photos. But if search returns exactly 1, it won't let me proceed. It should generate / display keywords from that single result

Both issues can be easily replicated by searching for "Embry Riddle".  I recently uploaded several images taken at Embry Riddle Aeronautical University in Prescott, Arizona.  All but one are editorial.   And if you search for "Embry-Riddle"  (with dash instead of space, proper name and keyword in editorial photos) you get zero results.   Search for same keyword on Shutter, Adobe, etc will return multiple results.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Rejections on adobe
« on: June 05, 2023, 22:56 »


Other than editorial images, where I simply could never really understand Adobe's rules, and photos with objects isolated on white I never had any issues with rejections on Adobe.

Same here.  They changed review process, not necessarily criteria.  I am certain they reject whole group (batch) without even looking at the rest if single photo is flagged.  In other words like Alamy.  I also believe AI does pre-processing and if it flags a file, human QA doesn't even look at anything.   

Try to submit rejected photo as single.  Just upload 1 photo, keyword, submit, before uploading another. I had rejected photos approved this way.

(btw I also never fully understood their Editorial criteria.  I don't think most of their QA reviewers do either, so rejections are random, depending who you run into)


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General Stock Discussion / Re: Rejections on adobe
« on: May 29, 2023, 17:07 »
Why does Adobe reject for quality issues when there's nothing wrong with the submitted photos even viewed at 100 percent?
They just rejected all my photos yet again (a total of 7) for quality but there is nothing wrong. What's going on adobe?

I am also getting lots of "quality" rejections lately, for perfectly technically sound images.   Educated guess:   AI based QA pre-processing;  if AI says Ok, only then it ends in human QA basket. 

Anything with water drops/waterfalls, wind in treetops, etc fails.

https://www.alamy.com/big-block-letter-text-panorama-at-entrance-to-plaza-independencia-famous-tourist-landmark-in-mendoza-argentina-city-park-center-image544143330.html?imageid=6E470E45-00CE-43A9-9517-15CFC16CC962
[Super sharp 3x2 stack stitched together,  wind in top left treetop. Rejected for "Quality"]

https://www.alamy.com/giant-block-cracked-ice-floating-in-lake-world-famous-perito-moreno-glacier-scenic-los-glaciares-national-park-unesco-world-heritage-site-patagonia-image543494945.html?imageid=AFC85DB7-D242-4021-9EAF-47865302C933&p=373373&pn=1&searchId=69207723c8d15f63ef8b8859082eb557&searchtype=0
[Glacier ice Texture mistaken for grain/noise.  Rejected for "Quality", accepted on 2nd try]

This was also behaviour when SS switched to AI.  Adobe probably did AI pre-processing before, but lately for whatever reason tweaked the algorithm and these are the consequences.




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Because the system in the back end does not capture them. Could it be implemented? Absolutely.  But it probably considered not worth, or low priority.
I find it very hard to believe that the system will not capture downloads in the free section. That would also be pretty dumb from Adobe because they could not tell how succesful it is or not. If somebody told you this then it's probably more a lame excuse not to give us these statitistics. But I'm pretty sure Adobe has them.

I don't think they do, at least not directly linked to individual image/contributor port. If this was real not cyber world, I'd wager you a beer 🍺.  But we might not find out, it might be too internal.

One thing for sure, it would be very useful to have this data public

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Mat will correct me where I am wrong, but here are the answers to your questions:


why can't we have statistics about the files involved in this operation, during and after this operation?

Because the system in the back end does not capture them. Could it be implemented? Absolutely.  But it probably considered not worth, or low priority.

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Assuming you're not going to give us these numbers in the end anyway (and that's not a good thing), will their value still be calculated in the rankings?

If free downloads are not captured, there can not have impact to the rankings

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Do they exist, these rankings?

Absolutely, and it is likely the heaviest weight in search algorithm.  I am also guessing time plays significant factor, i.e  recent downloads versus old ones, etc.  But you will not ever get specifics of algorithm implementation itself, as it is company proprietary (as it should be)

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It would be very useful for us to have this data.

Agreed 100%.  But again it is likely not going to happen

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Second question:
in what "many ways" (apart from any initial flat rate remuneration) should contributors benefit from this operation? Could you list them explicitly? :)


Main one is probably portfolio exposure.  I.e. if customer downloads free image & likes it,  there is link to contributor portfolio so he/she might go there and get something else, bookmark it etc etc.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: This month's sales
« on: June 07, 2022, 20:08 »
unpredictability is one constant of this business it seems.  Today I had mid $$ on Alamy,  double digit SOD on Shutter (is that even possible anymore??) and quite a few photos nominated by Adobe that will translate into triple digits even with 10% rate

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you're assuming that 10 free DL would have translated to 10 paid DL

Yes, and that is big 'if'.  But it would give insight how certain assets are doing & help decide if they can make more than 5 dollars over 12 months

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[Downloads in the Free collection do not count toward your statistics.

-Mat Hayward

That would be my suggestion for improvement.  Of course, free DLs should not count towards free subscription, but it would be helpful to know the stats.   I.e  I nominated photo last yr, got 5 credits,  and now I see that photo had 10 free DLs over last 12 months.  So maybe I would not re-nominate same photo this time around estimating it has potential to earn more as "not free".  On the other side,  photo with 0-5 DLs in free collection is probably good candidate for re-nomination.


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Thanks for info Mat and repeated fair and transparent treatment. It's pleasure to work with Adobe

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Hi, since yesterday I keep selling by Adobe the same image. At the moment there are 26 sales. Happy but quite unusual.
Stop at 126

Time for new trip to the deli store! Don't forget a camera  :D

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Contributor page's new design
« on: May 28, 2022, 14:07 »
I was seeing new design for few days, but now it's back to old ?

I didn't actually think new look was too bad, although I still prefer old.  But main point is - why doing it? Why fixing something that was not broken & worked well? Answer:  Need to give IT department something to do, so "improvement" was invented.  It was far better in my opinion to invest effort & resources in fixing horrendous QA or doing something about unfair compensation structure

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To me this is one of great examples of all the nonsense AI brings.  Chances are this image was never seen by human being during initial acceptance, or this subsequent removal.   


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