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Adobe Stock / Re: Mark as Illustrative Editorial?
« on: April 29, 2022, 14:32 »
Still want to point out there is grey area (or as Mat said earlier 'borderline').  For example, this is an image rejected couple of months ago -- world famous Hotel Del Coronado in San Diego, filming location of "Some Like It Hot" movie with Marilyn Monroe



However yesterday I had download of https://stock.adobe.com/ca/stock-photo/id/390299575, accepted as IE last year.  Same Hotel Del Coronado, this time with garden and sign. 


As general rule I will not submit architecture as IE to Adobe, but again it is not always clear cut & probably will depend from reviewer to reviewer.



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So there is interesting "False Positive" I am seeing today.  This is the clicked image:


Customer Search Phrase was  "Vancouver Washington", which is the City in US Washington State.   This has NOTHING to do with the image which is Waterfront view of Strait of Juan De Fuca on Saxe Point public park near Victoria BC on Vancouver Island, Canada.   I had "Vancouver Island" as Tag, and "Distant Olympic Peninsula Washington USA" part of Caption. 

So their search engine took "Vancouver" word from "Vancouver Island" phrase, joined it with word "Washington" from Caption and made a match!  To make things even more interesting,  it generated a click ?!

I probably should not have "Washington" in Caption, and I am going to remove it now, but still the click ?!  We are probably sometimes overthinking the whole thing

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: March Statements are in
« on: April 26, 2022, 13:59 »

So what I think/guess, that Connect is: a high volume of low volume usage.
At least, that's my interpretation of my connect sales.
I might be wrong of course.

No, you nailed it.  But whatever you want to call it, it is disrespectful.  Bottom line

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I just go by the zooms because hopefuly sales will follow and recently had a lot more as my alamy port aproached 1000 images.

It's been my experience for some time that the majority of my image sales by far drop in seemingly at random and have not been zoomed prior to sale.

What does that mean?
 

Most contributors share that experience;  Alamy is highly unpredictable.

Re most sales not being zoomed:  Zooms are captured only from subset of customers,  how many I am not sure but it is way below 50%.   

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And if you captioned a "crowd waiting to see Emmanuel Macron after he was returned as French President", that could show up on a search for Macron, even though he isn't in the image.

Yes, and that is main reason for "false positives".  It is direct consequence of fact they index the Caption. Because it is impossible to know what should be treated as phrase since Caption is array of words. 

Different scenario is of course with tags where you can directly specify what is the phrase, and what is single indexable word.   

It is important to be aware of the above for optimal metadata specification.  I suspect most people don't fully understand this, or simply don't bother.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Lower rotalties on Dreamstime?
« on: April 21, 2022, 17:23 »
On topic of Dreamstime,  they have these monthly contests, various subjects & chosen images get automatically promoted to level 5 (even if not one of first 3 places).  Criteria is reasonable. But this month they are running "Our Ukraine" contest and acceptance is quite rigid - only 15 images chosen so far, while it would be 150-200 by now in other contests.

This one just blows my mind;  I'd not be surprised if it wins

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Lower rotalties on Dreamstime?
« on: April 20, 2022, 01:30 »
I actually find Dreamstime compensation model fairly well worked out. Main problem is lack of sales, directly caused by years of total absence of any QA, which completely flooded the libraries with sub-standard content, similar, spammed metadata etc

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: March Statements are in
« on: April 18, 2022, 23:37 »
RPD 2.70 sounds great, until you realize it is 15% and how much they got off you

My IS March RPD is 0.786 with total $ 3x more than SS.  This was unimaginable less than year ago

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Yes to that all except for Alamy rank, which may be imaginary.

Alamy Rank is very real.  Click Through Rate (CTR) is just one of factors in play, they won't disclose others but sale frequency/amount likely comes into play as well.  Reason I love CTR False Positives concept is because it effectively fights keyword spamming.  Put the word donkey into image of polar bear, fine.  But when it gets returned in searches nobody will zoom it, thus lowering your Alamy Rank & impacting future sales.

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Once again, to sum up short what I posted earlier:   Main benefit of Alamy measures is ability to come up with optimal set of Metadata -  Title (Caption),  10 super, Rest.   This in turn generates better CTR, which props Alamy Rank.   

Importance of proper keywording can not be overstated, and by examining Measures you get insight into what real people are looking for, as opposed to AI generated "suggestions" on other sites which is often totally off.   I sometime update Metadata on AS too, based on keyword(s) I learned about on Alamy measures. 

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Lower rotalties on Dreamstime?
« on: April 18, 2022, 13:39 »
Could be worth posting on their Forum;  it is generally dead, but questions like this will get answered by one of their Admins

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It is certainly true most images will never sell (until they get moved to free collection where they generate 10 cents on some sites)

Reason that AS sales are dropping is saturation;  main thing that brought whole micro-industry down.  Specially after SS restructuring that made people upload more on AS. It is very important that image gets these initial 1-2 downloads, I believe on AS more than elsewhere;  otherwise it just drops into the swamp soon after upload rarely to surface up ever again.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Lower rotalties on Dreamstime?
« on: April 17, 2022, 14:47 »
0.35s here as well, with one 2.00 and one 4.49


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Someone told me Shutterstock does this automatically, without your consent.  But you get 10 cents  ;D

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It is very simple.  If you look whole Alamy you will get overall trends, but there will be lots of data.  I generally look at my own more.  Consider attached file

Search Term tells you keywords customers were searching for. Important to note: Not ALL customers, only registered ones
Your Views tells you how many (my) images were returned for this search term
Sessions not really useful, you can ignore
Your Zooms Very important!  Tells you that how many times customer actually clicked (zoomed) my image.  If >0, it is good - means it picked their interest. This is potential sale;  sometimes sales get reported some time after the zoom. 
Your Sales Self explanatory
Your CTR - Click Through Rate - number of zooms / divided by number of views x 100.  CTR brings up  Alamy Rank - the more zooms, the higher the rank - means images are sorted higher in customer searches
Total Views Total number of images, including mine, that were returned for given Search Term.  Basically tells how many images I was competing against for that search term
Total CTR Total CTR for given search term.  If 0, it means customer really didn't find anything interesting


So for instance in my example, for search term "Kilimanjaro Summit" I had 2 images returned,  1 was zoomed, none sold, click-through was 50 (1 / 2 x 100), Total 100 images were returned across whole Alamy, of which 4 were zoomed with CTR of 4.  So I did fairly well,  customer zoomed at 4 images out of 100, and 1 was mine.

The most useful column by far is Search Term. You see what customers are looking for.  Then you think "Wait, I have such photo - why was it not returned in search?" You go to Alamy Image Manager, find the photo and see that maybe you forgot some of words in Search Term. Of toggle it to super keyword, Etc.

Or, on the other hand, you can identify "False Positives" - your image was returned but it is not at all representative for search term.  Naturally, it will not be zoomed, and thus bring down CTR and Alamy Rank. So you go to Image Manager and remove or at least adjust again the keywords.


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Getting really smart around keyword use is a very important factor. i.e. knowing how to use drop down searches to find the most common buyer searches, or just shooting things a bit different.

I have little running joke with Uncle Pete regarding 'copy space'.  Buyers love copy space and always complain that there isn't enough stock photos for that.

These are 3 super important points (keywording, unique angle/perspective,  copy space) - and thanks for sharing.   Keywording is not always obvious & this is why tools like Alamy measures are very useful.  I wish Adobe would have something like that too.

I will add 4th thing, specific to travel (my niche in addition to landscapes).  It's called "Locals only". Example:  Take San Diego, California. But ... not beaches, Torrey Pines, Seaworld, etc. Why? Because you are competing with 1000s of tourists.  But if you go inland where tourists normally don't - just about everything I took photo of sold.  Escondido, Poway .. you name it.  Sold directly through personal website several Lake Hodges area photos.  Had 4 digit sale of Iron Mountain trailhead in Poway on Alamy recently.  USCD campus.  List goes on.

Every part of the world has something like that.   So if you are in San Francisco, took breathtaking shot of Golden Gate bridge and think it will sell - think again.  Same for Yosemite Valley, Yellowstone, Grand Canyon core tourist area.  But if you can find "locals only" place,  sale is almost guaranteed.   

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Adobe Stock / Re: Mark as Illustrative Editorial?
« on: April 12, 2022, 14:18 »

Thanks for the updated image ID. That ghost town image is now online in the Illustrative Editorial collection. This particular shot is in a bit of a gray area as far as branding is concerned, but you captioned it well so it's live. Everyone should keep in mind that the Illustrative Editorial Collection is not simply a place to upload your for unreleased content that doesn't qualify for the commercial collection. Just because there aren't people in it, doesn't make it eligible for IEC. Every submission should have a strong branding element.

thanks,

Mat Hayward

Thank you Mat; photo is online now indeed.  I am not blowing Adobe horn, but this is what separates you from others - being reasonable, and actually listening online.  Try something like this with Shutterstock AI rejections, good luck

I think I have now solid grasp on what constitutes Adobe IEC material & in general will  submit something from "gray area" only if I feel it has enough end customer potential.   Thanks again

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Adobe Stock / Re: Mark as Illustrative Editorial?
« on: April 11, 2022, 17:22 »

What's the image number on the ghost town image? It looks to me like it may be appropriate for IEC. I'll be happy to take a look.

-Mat

File ID: 492100473
Original name: virgin1.jpg

(Thanks a lot Mat.  Again, not about the photo, but rather about figuring what is exactly illustrative editorial by AS criteria)

That file was rejected for lack of a property release. It seems you inadvertently missed clicking the "this is illustrative editorial" box and submitted the image for consideration in the commercial collection. Re-upload the file and submit it as IEC and I expect it will be approved.

Good luck,

Mat Hayward

Mat - it was actually rejected 1st time as IEC
File ID: 491958046
Original name: virgin1.jpg

(I posted ID from 2nd RF rejection, not realizing these were 2 separate IDs)




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Adobe Stock / Re: Mark as Illustrative Editorial?
« on: April 11, 2022, 15:32 »

What's the image number on the ghost town image? It looks to me like it may be appropriate for IEC. I'll be happy to take a look.

-Mat

File ID: 492100473
Original name: virgin1.jpg

(Thanks a lot Mat.  Again, not about the photo, but rather about figuring what is exactly illustrative editorial by AS criteria)

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Adobe Stock / Re: Mark as Illustrative Editorial?
« on: April 11, 2022, 14:08 »


I would never upload any image where I would not see any potential use for a customer.

Same here & I've been following this thread with great interest (see my post above with 2 image samples, one accepted one rejected)

I think the problem is grey area about what qualifies as illustrative editorial, as there is no clear cut answer & it is, at least to an extent, subject to interpretation.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Mark as Illustrative Editorial?
« on: April 11, 2022, 13:26 »
...

Thank you for great explanation as always Mat
Can I please ask you to elaborate on this one though.   This was rejected:


There are no logos/brands, but it is private property - replica of old west frontier town in Virgin, USA at doorstep of Zion National Park.  It can be newsworthy - travel industry, cultural heritage, etc

On the other had, this was accepted (and has several downloads, thank you very much):


Plaza De Las Artes in San Jose, Costarica.  Conceptually I don't see any difference between these 2 images;  which illustrative editorial aspect Costarica photo has that Zion doesn't?

I am not trying to push Zion image through - I'd simply like to learn something in order not to waste time of your QA next time.  Thanks

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Adobe Stock / Re: Mark as Illustrative Editorial?
« on: April 10, 2022, 14:17 »
They were usually just shots of streets, buildings, factories, etc. that contained some small trademarks somewhere in the photo.

and this is in my experience exactly what they reject as editorial.  As example, this is shot I really like & think could sell well, but was rejected:


I will say though, criteria is not quite clear (or maybe I am just dumb).  For instance this was accepted as "illustrative editorial" (maybe because there is Adobe word in it   ;D)


If the photo is really good, i.e. has sales potential, I'd suggest simply try cutting out "small trademark" in Photoshop, then submitting as RF.  As far as people go, they are quite lenient what is "recognizable" (opposite to IS that consider silhouette of person 1km away as recognizable).

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I'll say what I posted in other thread:   First and foremost you must enjoy photography and not do it only for monetization purposes.  Otherwise you will just end up frustrated.  And yes, like others said, there is still $$ to be made; demand has not decreased. You only need different strategy;  expecting "sales" from micros that pay 10 cents or 15% only means devaluing your own work.


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General Stock Discussion / Re: This month's sales
« on: April 09, 2022, 16:53 »
What Uncle Pete said.

I was late to the party,  started in 2016 & keep hearing these tales about "good old times".  It makes sense, as smartphone/low cost camera revolution changed the market & caused saturation.   Top it with wrong strategy micros addressed the issue (just look what SS did last yr) and this is why situation is the way it is.

There is still $$ that can be made in photography. Demand has not dropped, if anything increased.  But expecting "sales" from SS or Getty IMHO means devaluing your work & can only bring frustration.  There are other ways.  It really starts though with quality and then ability to market your own work.  And first and foremost you must enjoy photography, not just do it monetization purposes. 

Just my 5 cents

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Adobe Stock / Re: Mark as Illustrative Editorial?
« on: April 08, 2022, 14:13 »
Actually my experience is they don't accept residential houses as "illustrative editorial".  Public landmark architecture is ok, but private property not

This one ok


This one not ok ("Unfortunately, during our review we found that this file does not meet the Adobe Stocks Illustrative Editorial Guidelines")




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