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Adobe Stock / Re: Breaking the rule
« on: May 26, 2008, 11:36 »
The last (2) background rejections I got form Fotolia about a week ago were accepted on the second attempt.  I did add a note to the reviewer that they were the only site to reject these images and both had sold very well on SS.  I also noted that they were technically perfect.  I closed buy saying that rejecting these images would not benefit anyone, especially them. 

It worked!

They don't have a system for resubmitting an image.  So just upload it again and explain your take on it.  It may or may not work?  Worth a try no matter what I guess.

The cool thing is one of the images sold (3) days later!  Now that was a home run and a "Told you so" Love it when we can prove that we do know what we are doing from time to time.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Resubmitting rejections
« on: May 26, 2008, 10:01 »
By the way, I have NEVER resubmitted an image on IS that said "No Resubmit"  That should tell you to forget it!  I have once re-shot a similar image and submitted that.  But never the same image!  I'm sure that would get you in hot water.  "That I don't need."  It's hard enough as it is without testing their tolerance.  IS is a brutal force, they don't play at all. Nor do they give a * about what we think they should have accepted.

Happy shooting to all! You can beat the rejection monster at IS but it takes 100% attention to the smallest of  details.  I'm still learning their ways.  Used to piss me off but I soon realized the reality of it.  Complaining doesn't help at all either.  You'd better be on your game or they will strike you out fast!

Bottom line: Resubmit with caution!

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istock subs... How much did you get?
« on: May 26, 2008, 09:49 »
well seeing as subs are time based and not credit based, there is nothing really to 'use up quickly'  Sure they have daily limits but just because istock started their subscription, would make any different is regards to shutterstock buyers wanting to fill up their daily quota

I thought the same thing, but when I saw my sales way above normal I just wondered why?  It's good but still a little strange for me that the two happened on the same day.  Not to mention that this is an American Holiday too!  Really odd!

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Resubmitting rejections
« on: May 26, 2008, 08:49 »
I have repaired a rejected image on IS only to have it rejected the second time for a completely different reason.  At one time my acceptance at IS was only 28.8%  It's now 49%.  I no longer upload anything questionable at all to IS.  Being limited to 15 per week sucks!  I now keep my que full of images that I feel pretty good about and it has brought my acceptance rate up a lot.  I'm working on getting my rate well above 50% just in case I want to go exclusive one day.  I say this only because you need to be real careful with rejections at IS.  Just because you repair what they rejected if for doesn't mean they will accept it on the second go.  This very thing has kept my acceptance rate down and my portfolio small.  Both hurt!  I working on growing it because many people keep saying that IS is the best "Long Term" winner.  I'm still waiting to see that myself.  Never say to yourself "Oh they won't see that"  WRONG.....They catch everything....and even things that aren't there unless you view at 200-300%! 

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istock subs... How much did you get?
« on: May 26, 2008, 08:32 »
I'm not sure if it has anything do do with the IS subs but when I check my DLs at SS this morning I had way more than usual for a Monday morning?  I mean about a 75% increase.  As a matter of fact if the trend continues it will be my best day ever on SS.  I am wondering if people are using up their sub at SS to move over to IS?  That would be bad for me because my portfolio at SS is about 4 times larger than the one at IS.  As of right now IS makes up for only about 3% of my sales.  SS is 70% and FT and DT make up the rest.  Also FT is #2 for me and IS is 5th.

I'm not exclusive at IS so I wonder how much effect not being exclusive will effect DLs?  At this point I sure hope folks aren't blowing out SS for IS subs.  I think that would only hurt me.  Some of you who are exclusive may win big?  I guess the next few weeks will tell the story. 

I was hoping IS would speed up their reviews in advance of the subs.  For me that didn't happen.  How about you?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Is country name a trademark?
« on: May 25, 2008, 12:50 »
I really wish IS would change their rejection emails to include a more specific reason.  They do once in a while add notes but they are few and far between.  85% of the time you get the form email that in lots of cases tell you very little as to why the image was rejected.

They claim to be to busy to tell you specifics.  Even worse is Fotoila.  The refuse to tell you specifics in my experience.

To me this is a clear case of having their "Head up their A$$" attitude.  I've yet to upload to a well established site that actually treats you with any value.  They could care less what you (we) think. 

I guess what would be nice is a little more common courtesy.  At lease expand their rejection emails to be a little more specific so that we could have a better idea of what we need to repair or change before resubmitting the image.

QUESTION:  How many of you have had a image rejected for say "Noise" and make the necessary changes either with something like Neat Image or downsizing it only to resubmit it and have it rejected for an entirely different reason the second time!  Now that pisses me off for sure.  I've had that happen a few times with IS. How about you?

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I've had better acceptance at Alamy than the Micro Sites.  As of today I'm still at 100% acceptance.  I can't say that about any Micro site. However I submit only a few at a time because of the way they reject.  If you upload 10 photos and they reject (1) of them, they also reject the other (9).  They have very strict image requirements too.  I would suggest reading their requirements several times before you submit anything.  I do exactly as what they tell you to do to each image and so far I have had good luck.  On the other hand I've had no sales there.  My portfolio is very small and not that unique but I wanted to try to see what would happen. 

Later this spring I'm planning to shoot for a week or so with Alamy in mind.  I've yet to upload any RM.  Everything so far has been RF.  I'm not sure that was a good choice.

Good luck with Alamy, I hear about photogs having great success there.  RM shots can earn as much in one sale as some micro sites gross in a month for your entire portfolio.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: 3 HDR questions...
« on: May 24, 2008, 10:08 »
I've read several threads talking about getting rejections at IS for "Over Filtered". 

I love HDR and the depth and color it creates.  However I'm not sure the micro sites are real keen on this method.  I wish one of the sites like SS or IS would have a separate category for HDR only.  HDR images are great for greeting cards, prints, calendars and book covers.  I think MostPhotos is the closest thing I've seen that will accept HDR without a problem.  But I'm not too sure about sales success at MP.

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CanStockPhoto.com / Re: Any thoughts...?
« on: May 23, 2008, 11:07 »
I pulled the plug a month ago.  They just suck!

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Resubmitting rejections
« on: May 23, 2008, 10:20 »
I do.  I make the correction and downsize the image if it was rejected for artifacts or noise.  80% of the time they accept on the second attempt.  You should also go over the image with a fine tooth comb.  I have had a second rejection on the same image with a totally new reason.  At that point I give up 99% of the time.

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This is their address....1294 Cranbrook Dr. Schaumburg, IL 60193.  It's an apartment or townhouse community just west of Chicago.  I suspect the error messages in Romanian are the result of the original programmers.  They may have bought the site source code from anywhere in the world.  Many sites these days are OpenSource written all over the world offering many different out front languages.  Not that any of this really matters but I thought I throw my 2 cents in on the site.

P.S. I'm not uploading to them for now.

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Yaymicro / Re: yaymicro - new microstock site
« on: May 21, 2008, 15:13 »
Yeah, the name surely does sound a bit eccentric, but after all what does "google" mean? Once a company is successful, people get used to most unusual names.

One thing is certain, these guys know how to build a slick and superfast website, with probably the best upload process in the industry. We will see if it remains so smooth as the database grows.

What's more they pay in a real-world currency and the royalty structure is very decent.
Usually I don't contribute to low performing sites or startups, but I decided to give YAY a chance. Let's hope they will be successful in reaching buyers.



I agree 100% with the above.  Yay has a very nice look, it's easy to upload to, they don't bombard you with useless legal crap to check and read and they truly seem to have a very positive attitude.  I could only hope that Yay sores to the top.  I'll say this, if the buyers like them as much as the photogs, it's going to be a winner.  I for one LOVE it so far!

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Overabundant Category
« on: May 21, 2008, 12:44 »
Im glad to see that Im not alone here.  I dont want agencies deleting my images either.  However I would understand it if the deleted image had a proven track record of few views and no sales.

Im sure we all have images that dont sell or even get a view or two.  When this is the case its the buyers saying No Commercial Value.  Id rather the buyer make that decision rather than the site reviewers.  Given the number of photos that never get views or buys, Id say the sites really dont know themselves.  I have one image that was rejected for No Commercial Value by 3 of the big six and that image is my number one selling image on SS, and I do mean number #1. It gets sales almost everyday. (I was surprised too)

I can see how Overabundant and No Commercial Value varies from site to site as well as reviewer to reviewer.  Id really like to see all of the sites fine tune these rejections. I also think that many times its only overabundant to the reviewer on a given day.  Im sure we would all be the same way if we reviewed photos 8 hours a day, 5 days a week.  Frankly I dont know how they do it day in and day out.  I couldnt!   I couldnt imagine looking at photos everyday of the week having to judge them "fairly".  Also a question is how long before every category has an overabundance?   That day has to come in the next few years.  Microstock is growing in size every second of the day.  How can any of us really submit totally new photos everyday?  Can any of us name something that hasnt been shot and submitted already in some shape or form?  If you can you better get busy because youre denying yourself sales if you truly have a unique commercial photo idea that's not been done already.

The bottom line is this.  As we (The Photographers) learn new techniques and equipment gets better we do have something new to offer in the so-called Overabundant Category.  I say blow the old dead photos out automatically on a monthly basis and let all of us all be allowed to freshen things up a little.   If any of you get upset about having an image blown out for zero sales after a year then so be it.  If you really want that shot online, re-shoot and make it better and see if you can generate sales.  None of us want to delete images regardless of sales or views.  However if were going to continue to be free to photograph what we like and get better at, we have to be given the room to do so.

One last thing.  If a site has an Overabundance of say flowers (not picking on flowers) and they are rejecting new ones it seems like they are denying the buyers a fresh product.  Also how hard would it be to run a program to identify the no sales images and get rid of them making way for new ones?  Retail stores do this all the time.  Dead items get removed from the shelves to make room for new ones.  (Duh)  Retail stores dont have the luxury of expanding their store size everyday to add new inventory.  However its easy to add hard-drive space to make a virtual store larger.  The point Im trying to make is that I can see how a monthly pruning of DEAD INVENTORY would benefit us all.  Two problems still exist.  The sites want to claim a huge inventory and each photographer wants his or her portfolio to be as large as possible.  Deleting images isnt in the thought process.  But you can rest assured that if we all had a retail store with 35% dead stock wed be doing something about if we wanted to increase sales and stay in business.  I think its time the sites did a little housekeeping and open up the gates for new images in the so-called Overabundant categories.

P.S.  Having a huge inventory proves nothing if 35-60% of that inventory doesn't sell.  I'd rather have "Better" rather than "Bigger" any day.  I'd rather have 10 images selling 20 times a day rather than 100 images selling 10 times a day.  Raw numbers don't always translate into sales.  Not to mention having a bunch of non-selling carp only makes it harder to find the ones that will sell.  I'd gladly delete my dead stock if everyone else did.  But I don't see that happening.  So it's going to be up to the sites to make this happen.       

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General Stock Discussion / Overabundant Category
« on: May 21, 2008, 10:22 »
Ponder this;

I think the  Overabundant Category rejection on most sites is a little unfair for several reasons.  It limits freshness in that category.  It also gives those with that type of image a slight advantage.  Also what if a buyer buys one of my images and decides to look at my portfolio for other images he or she might want.  If Im not allowed to have diversity in my portfolio I am limited in sales.  Granted some things are overabundant, however if one of those overabundant images isnt in my portfolio I cant sell it.  That doesnt hurt the site because the buyer will indeed find it elsewhere on the site but that doesnt helo me at all.

On another note:  I wonder if the day will come when the sites start pruning older images that have never sold over a given period of time?  I would be all for that.  If an image hasnt sold in a year or so then why not remove it.  Or adding another criteria, if the image has no downloads and less than (#) views, remove it.  Pruning older images that are basically dead would benefit everyone involved and also eliminate the Overabundant issue all together.

I would like to hear others thoughts on this.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Yuri, I admire you!
« on: May 21, 2008, 09:33 »
I just wish I had the models to make a composite like that myself.  I would also settle for 10% of Yuri's income not to mention his girlfriend. (Whew!) Lay off Yuri, he's entitled to an occasional mistake or oversight.  We've all done it.  The only difference between his and mine is the fact that the inspectors catch all of mine.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: what??? What should I do?
« on: May 17, 2008, 09:28 »
I would sure contact him and demand that he remove it for starters.  I'm not sure legal action would get you anything but it may be worth a try.  This happened to me about a year ago.  I sent the photog a email and the image was removed that day.  Strangely enough he also removed about 10 others as well.  I guess I wasn't the only one he stole from.  I think a lot of wannabe photogs do this in the beginning with web sites.  I was flattered to see that he thought my work was good enough to represent him but I still say it's wrong and illegal.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock audio
« on: May 15, 2008, 17:42 »
I'm in!

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Adobe Stock / Rejected "Not Stock"
« on: May 12, 2008, 14:58 »
Not stock.....Accepted at all others.......Makes me want to delete all my images!

http://www.shutterstock.com/pic.mhtml?id=12395479

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Keeping Track
« on: May 08, 2008, 16:59 »
I take a very simple approach.  I have a folder for each site.  In each folder is another folder "Not Uploaded", "Accepted" and "Rejected".  Once I upload I move everything to the "Accepted" folder and move any rejected images to the "Rejected" folder as needed.  I also have a Master Stock folder where I keep copies of everything accepted across the board.  I also add a "E" to the file name for any file that is uploaded "Exclusive" to any site.  I only upload Exclusive images to DT and FT every once in a while.

I'm sure there is a better way but this is how I started so I have stuck with it.  I will admit it uses a lot of hard drive space but for now it works fine.  Once I get to 1000 images I may have to find a better way.

The other thing I would do is stick with the Big 6.  The others aren't worth keeping up with IMO.

As far as images being accepted at one site and not at others....get used to that....each site has things they like and don't like.  Don't worry about it much...it's not you....we all see that every day.  Removing composition, make sure you are noise free at all of them.  SS hates noise.   IS hates over filtering and artifacts.  DT is hard to figure out as well as FT.  I am very selective with IS.  The rest get most everything I shoot.

I'm new at this too so I hope this helps, one noob to another.  The vets here may shed a whole new light on this topic.

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My sales are down this month at SS and no sales at all at IS.  Fotolia is up for me this month with a portfolio of only 136 images.  In all fairness my portfolio is small at IS so I don't see a real problem.   However, I guess it's just one of those things.  Either the time of year or a search engine tweak?  Who knows really?  I'll take the good with the bad.  After all, what else can I really do other than add to my portfolio and keep on keeping on.

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SnapVillage.com / Re: Uploading at snapvillage
« on: May 07, 2008, 16:48 »
I gave up too and sent them an email asking to be removed from their site.  Been 2 weeks now and no reply or removal.  Slackers if you ask me.  Looks like Corbis and Microsoft aren't paying to much attention to their little newborn baby of microstock.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock XSmall price is a joke
« on: May 07, 2008, 16:41 »
Now let's think about this.  If everyone who reads this and pulls their images from IS what will that do to IS?  Nothing if you ask me.  I would be willing to bet that if a site pops up selling images for 10 cents each and pay a commission of 2 cents people will upload there too.  They will upload their images and come over here and complain about the super low commission.

None of these sites would be as low as they are if folks like us didn't upload their images for them to sell.  If you want to make good money form stock the only way to go is Alamy, Getty and Corbis.  However Alamy has over 11 million images so if you decide to sell your images at a premium price you'd * well be on top of your game.  Otherwise you'll just have a portfolio to show off to your friends.

The only thanks we owe the microstock agencies is "Thanks for creating 100,000 photo whores"  Which I'm one of them.  Bottom line is we are greedy by nature and want instant gratification for our work.  Microstock sites are built on that.  I've seen this here more than a few times, "I don't worry about the money, I just love the fact that people download my images"  ...... "It makes me feel good that people like my photos"  The sad thing is it's not going to change either.  For every one who pulls out, there are 5 standing in line to get their share of the low commissions.

Either stop uploading to the micro sites or shut up about low commissions.  It is what it is and the small numbers here aren't going to change it.

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New Sites - General / Re: www.inmagine.com
« on: May 07, 2008, 10:39 »
Looks like 123 to me as well.  Do they have any sales?

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Mostphotos.com / Re: MostPhotos playing with legal fire
« on: May 05, 2008, 20:54 »
"About every micro site now knows that the Brussels' atomium is copyrighted."

If it is copyrighted - why don't they remove it from public view ? I understand that copying the design for the purpose of building something that looks very similiar could get someone in trouble (although the concept of Atomium is hardly original as such).  But - why all of a sudden people claim the ownership of light reflected from an object ?

In such case I should copyright my eyes - and claim damages from the owner(s) of every copyrighted building or object - since I have no duty to view what they cared to put in public view.

Some may say this is idiotic - but no more idiotic than copyrighting the reflected light.

Copying a car design for the purpose of building a car - yes, a clear cut court case.
Taling a picture of a car - c'mon...

I have no argument with the need to obtain a release for a picture of a person or interior of a private property. But the exterior of any building, public or private, as long as it is visible to general public - should be a fair game.




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