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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Kelly Interview
« on: December 29, 2011, 21:47 »
Missed that thread, Thanks.

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iStockPhoto.com / Kelly Interview
« on: December 29, 2011, 12:22 »
Interview with Kelly Thompson, iStockphoto / Getty Images


Kelly gets markedly uncomfortable when asked about royalty cuts (watch his fidgetting and hand movement increase during this segment). Then he answers by saying that "royalties don`t matter as much as the total amount of money we can make for our photographers and I think we`re doing a better job than anyone else with the total amount we pay out in royalties far exceeds our competitors..."

I read this as: iStock can take a larger share of your pie because you suckas can`t get more net dollars elsewhere. So even if iStock promised in writing that commission levels would be grandfathered, we will not honor our promise to you because we think that we can get away with taking more of your hard earned revenue.

I stopped being exclusive because of this and have found that I am getting more net dollars than before.

 

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift
« on: December 29, 2011, 09:30 »
This reminds me of the Doors song "This is the end..."
Even for iStock this is a bonehead move. They are really good at auto-destructing.
Although I`m sure someone will get a promotion and a raise out of this :) 

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift
« on: December 28, 2011, 14:22 »
In the past I was steering all clients of my design business to IS, now I recommend Dreams

When I log-in at iStock I still get a message flashing up saying that i "should" recommend the site to buyers because I'll get $20 if I do.

It seemed a bit crass when it first appeared, now it looks more like a bad joke. No way would any sane independent point buyers towards iStock now (perhaps that's something they've overlooked).

That`s the Hubris Factor at work :)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift
« on: December 28, 2011, 14:06 »
Best match at iStock no longer finds the most relevant image, rather it locates most relevant image from a very small subsection of the collection. This is not in any customer`s best interest so there is now yet another incentive for customers to move on to other sites. They are the authors of their own demise.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift
« on: December 28, 2011, 13:51 »
Under this best match it doesn't matter if we leave or not, we've been made irrelevant (though maybe some people will search by DLs). In any case, even if I earn almost nothing at iS next month, I will still want my $200 from TS.

One thing that surely has to make this search unsustainable is that it slams the door in the face of newbies. It's hard to imagine any of them ever being able to get a foothold is IS if everything they submit starts life in the bottom 30% of any given search. So, at the moment, it is effectively a members-only exclusive club.

BTW, I'm not at all upset. I've got past the stage of being upset with IS, just like I got past being upset over rejections. I've become fatalistic about it.

Newton said it best:"For every action there is an equal and opposite re-action". They can`t just keep shoveling sh*t into the fan without getting it all over themselves too.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift
« on: December 26, 2011, 15:49 »
I never seen nothing like this, today is monday and sales are completely dead, I have not sold a single image in hours, like I said last year and the year before at this day of the year I used to sell $250.00 - $300, today I am still at $28.30, this is like a 85% plummeting in sales, and I am exclusive.

I would like to know if other IS exclusives are experiencing something like this during last 4 days. They did something massive last friday, something never seen before. If this stay like this, I will be out of business by january. And I have the 8th collection in IS in size, 57th in sales.

And is nothing we can do, even questions about this matter are immediately censored in IS forums

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I don`t think you are alone among exclusives. Can you remember how JJRD declared that Thinkstock is a different customer base and that making images available there would have no impact on iStock sales?  Remember how we were promised to be grandfathered into existing commission levels? Remember how we were told by KK that commissions wouldn`t be changed except for the better? Can you recall that money isn`t what makes us happy? Not sure about you but from my perspective, they have lost any and all credibility and entrusting them with 100% of my stock revenue was making me naucious so I became independent, a change which I have not regretted.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift
« on: December 26, 2011, 14:54 »
I for one would be very happy to see iStock go all exclusive. That means that Thinkstock would close its doors overnight due to a lack of content and buyers would leave in droves (even faster than they are doing today) to other sites which pay a fair commission. Unfortunately, its not in the cards.

Interesting pov, as I'd imagine that if they went all-exclusive they'd force exclusives to place some/all content in TS. IMO, it's a distinct exclusive perk that currently that's a choice.

The only problem with that is that exclusives are only a tiny fraction of iStock. It would still mean chopping the legs out from under Thinkstock and they would also lose all those high margin sales and they would have, I don`t know, maybe 2,000,000 images (I`m guessing on the number but it would be a small fraction of what they have today). Bottom line, that`ain`t gona happen.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift
« on: December 26, 2011, 12:36 »
isn't it better that most buyers don't use the slider? it's there to appease buyers that are price conscious and want the ability to sort by price. good that most buyers don't use it.

as for exclusive only content - this is a smart and proven differentiator in commercial business models. iStock should probably go all-exclusive as part of the Getty-family brand, it's a smart move. I definitely feel for independents, especially those I call friends who are affected by this. But independents have the option to go exclusive. (gostwyck, I can hear your guffaw from Canada). where Getty gets a FAIL on their annual report card is contributor relations. undervaluing suppliers is bad business. no work = no success for Getty. all it will take is one pi55-off too many before contributors start divorcing themselves from the Getty family. the RC adjustment was a good move in the right direction.

I for one would be very happy to see iStock go all exclusive. That means that Thinkstock would close its doors overnight due to a lack of content and buyers would leave in droves (even faster than they are doing today) to other sites which pay a fair commission. Unfortunately, its not in the cards.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift
« on: December 26, 2011, 11:59 »
This best match shift to 100% exclusive content smells like a desperate move to keep exclusives from feeling the full effect of downward spiraling market share. Interesting that any attempt to discuss it in the iStock forum gets snuffed out by Lobo.

They have painted themselves into a corner with this. If they keep this best match long enough, independents will stop uploading and competition will pull ahead. That`s not going to happen because they need to keep feeding Thinkstock. On the other hand, this artificially boosted exclusive perk will now become the baseline with exclusives for measuring normal sales, and if the best match switches back to allowing some independent exposure then exclusives will get hit with declining sales due to best match shift + declining sales due to sliding market share. IMO, no happy ending for iStock here.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStockPhoto predictions for 2012
« on: December 02, 2011, 09:39 »
My 2 cents:

- iStock will have increased competition from other sites (Shutterstock single image sales comes to mind).
- Thinkstock will seriously erode traffic to iStock and have a hugely negative effect on profitability and contributor moral. This time tweaking best match to favor exclusives even more wont help because the customers just wont be there.
- Hubris level wont change, every disaster will be characterized as magnificent.
- Lobo will get a big bonus for his people skills

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Embarrassing Error Page
« on: November 30, 2011, 23:37 »
Back On Line...

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Moving on from IS exclusive
« on: November 30, 2011, 23:04 »
Don`t under estimate the amount of time required to become non-exclusive. The biggest hurddle by far is re-keywording your entire portfolio. If you just copy paste your iStock controlled vocabulary you will sell yourself short.

one of the many reasons I'm still exclusive. the work isn't what scares me though. I've just talked to enough independents and done enough homework to know, that although it may be satisfying for some contributors to have dumped their crowns, the grass isn't greener as an indie. I prefer to be exclusive overall, but at times it makes things difficult (it's not exactly exciting contributing to iStock's wannabe editorial collection).

For me its been 2 steps back and then 3 steps forward. so overall I`m happy with my decision to be independent. Once I became non-exclusive, I realized that although it was a lot of work and initially and I took a temporary hit, the greatest benefit is not having all my eggs in one basket. The only constant in life is change and I get a greater sense of security in diversifying my portfolio.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Embarrassing Error Page
« on: November 30, 2011, 22:37 »
Does anything they do scream professional ?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Embarrassing Error Page
« on: November 30, 2011, 22:34 »
I'm getting a feeling they got hacked!
No, they haven't. They would be screaming in all corners if they have. This is just absolute incompetence of their IT department, massive failure, inability to restore the back-up and maybe (I wouldn't be surprised at that point) absence of back-up altogether.

They probably haven't gotten hacked, but gosh, there's a good excuse for them to use!

It could also be an inside job. Anything is possible! But if true, they would never admit to it especially if it's an inside job.


Someone sent Lobo a fish-head pie as payment :)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istockphoto Down For Maintenance or Hacked?
« on: November 30, 2011, 22:29 »
There is a recession coming (already here). Cost cutting alone will divert many high budget customers away from iStock. This is just a catalyst.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Moving on from IS exclusive
« on: November 30, 2011, 22:12 »
Don`t under estimate the amount of time required to become non-exclusive. The biggest hurddle by far is re-keywording your entire portfolio. If you just copy paste your iStock controlled vocabulary you will sell yourself short.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istockphoto Down For Maintenance or Hacked?
« on: November 30, 2011, 18:04 »
They shouldn`t let Lobo into the server room with food.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Embarrassing Error Page
« on: November 30, 2011, 18:00 »
G... almighty... what an embarrassingly unprofessional Error Page.

What's going on now?

They seem to have lost the CSS link.

Lobo probably fell into the spinning gears and gummed up the crankwobble.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Exclusivity
« on: November 30, 2011, 15:49 »
That may be true for you but I don`t think it holds true for the Macro picture. Generally speaking independent contributors upload to both iStock and Shutterstock, why wouldn`t they, these are the top 2 sites. All non-exclusive content now gets copied over to TS from IS. Yes, there are a few insignificant differences between the 2 collections but they are (will be) virtually identical. If both collections are the same, customers will gravitate to least expensive option which today is TS. All I am saying is that SS can`t sit back and do nothing.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Exclusivity
« on: November 30, 2011, 14:54 »
When I posted the original post, I was thinking more from a Shutterstock perspective, not a contributor perspective. SS is now going to be face to face with TS with the exact same content. The only differentiator will be price and TS is lower. They will need to do something to protect their market share. If not offering exclusivity then what ? (By offering exclusitivty, they would be puliing content away from iStock, Thinkstock and Getty all at the same time).

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Exclusivity
« on: November 30, 2011, 12:04 »
That`s not bad. If SS had a program comparable to Vetta and Agency with fair royalties an per image exclusivity, they could easily siphon customers away from not only iStock but Getty as well.

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Shutterstock.com / Shutterstock Exclusivity
« on: November 30, 2011, 10:12 »
If Shutterstock offered exclusivity (along with new single image plan currently in Pilot phase), it is my opinion that they could take a serious chunk of iStock/Thinkstock market share because now, Thinkstock would no longer automatically have the same content as Shutterstock (Since independent iSTock contributors are now all automatically cloned on TS).

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: POLL: Did you boycott Thinkstock?
« on: November 30, 2011, 09:48 »
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iStockPhoto.com / Re: POLL: Did you boycott Thinkstock?
« on: November 30, 2011, 09:39 »

Why? do they keep investing so much time, effort and money on advertising this TS?  hell, nobody is making anything over there, I havent heard of anybody happy with their earnings. Is it meant to be some Messiah micro site, which will open everybodys eyes, to see the light perhaps? beats me completely. :-\
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It`s because they are trying to compete with Shutterstock. By opting in all independents, they automatically have the same content on Thinkstock as Shutterstock with the flick of a switch. Step 2 is to make this content cheaper than SS thereby capturing a large market share. This is the plan as best I can tell. Unfortunately its like medication, they all have side-effects. The unintended consequence of all this is that they are sacrificing a profitable revenue stream by migrating their customer base over to Thinkstock. The other problem with this is that SS is smart and they wont just stand idly by while this school yard bully swings his stick around. They have already announced single image pilot project and it wouldn`t surprise me a bit if they offered exclusivity at some point. Then you would see a massive shift to Shutterstock with iStock and Thinkstock sinking for good. This is how I see it.

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