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General Stock Discussion / Re: Keeping Track
« on: May 08, 2008, 21:42 »
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Well, I don't think I'll be offering any exclusive files so I won't have to worry about that.  Perhaps I could keep a spreadsheet with the file name and then list which sites accepted or rejected the shot.

I find that a spreadsheet to keep track of uploads is a very good idea. I have one spreadsheet with multiple tables (microstock, midstock, macro, monthly breakdown etc.).
I found thumbnails better than filenames. I insert thumbnails vertically, and agencies horizontally. A green field means the photo has been accepted, yellow- pending, blue - it is earning (with the amount), and orange means it has been rejected at the given site.
This doesn't cost much work, once the formulas are ready, just pasting the thumbnails and updating the stats periodically, and it gives a nice & quick overview of what has been accepted where and what profit it makes.
How do you post thumbnails in an Excel Spreadsheet?  Right now I am just putting in the image filename but most sites don't record the filename so I'm constantly flipping back and forth looking them up.

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StockXpert.com / Re: Total Rejection
« on: May 08, 2008, 21:36 »
I had this response too with photos that other agencies accepted. Not sure what the go is with these guys, but when I have the patience I'll try again. How many times can you try before they'll say they don't want to hear from you again??  ;)
Well, I will try again in a month.  If I get rejected again, I'll have to decide if I want to keep trying.  Right now I am processing all of the pictures I have taken in the last three years so none of those were taken specifically for stock.  Perhaps when I get more "stock" type shots, they won't reject me?

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StockXpert.com / Re: Total Rejection
« on: May 08, 2008, 21:35 »
I got the same rejection on my first batch at StockXpert, the second one went through without issues, and so far they accepted 120 of 126 submitted files. 

In my opinion worth to try again. 
Beats me why my initial submission got rejected - I used photos that both Shutterstock and Istock were happy with.

Granted, most of my pictures are scenery shots, but they're nice and I get a lot of d/l's on SS.  I will try again in a month and see how it goes.

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StockXpert.com / Total Rejection
« on: May 08, 2008, 21:07 »
I was totally rejected by SX.  I received a message saying:

We regret to inform you that your artist application was rejected. We are very sorry but at the moment we are not looking for pictures like the ones you uploaded.

When I applied for SS, I had 9/10 accepted.  iS rejected 1 of my 3 and I uploaded another shot and was accepted.  I find this type of rejection odd.

Should I try again in a month or just forget that site?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Keeping Track
« on: May 08, 2008, 20:21 »
I use program called sitecopy which sync folder on your local drive with remote directory on ftp site. Each site might have a different definition so I am pointing some sites to folder containing 2MPix files and other to 4MPix files. I run a script which uploads to each site sequentially when all sites are processed just move whole batch of files to archive folder. As you see each of my batches might have to sizes of files. I generaly keep both in archive in case of enrolling to new site and then I start uploading from batch 1.

I only keep track of what I uploaded. I cannot tell what was accepted on which site cause it's post-FTP processing.
I don't know if that system would work for me because I use one computer to process my pictures and another computer to upload them.  I use a USB drive to transfer in between the two computers. 

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Keeping Track
« on: May 08, 2008, 20:19 »
I take a very simple approach.  I have a folder for each site.  In each folder is another folder "Not Uploaded", "Accepted" and "Rejected".  Once I upload I move everything to the "Accepted" folder and move any rejected images to the "Rejected" folder as needed.  I also have a Master Stock folder where I keep copies of everything accepted across the board.  I also add a "E" to the file name for any file that is uploaded "Exclusive" to any site.  I only upload Exclusive images to DT and FT every once in a while.

I'm sure there is a better way but this is how I started so I have stuck with it.  I will admit it uses a lot of hard drive space but for now it works fine.  Once I get to 1000 images I may have to find a better way.

The other thing I would do is stick with the Big 6.  The others aren't worth keeping up with IMO.

As far as images being accepted at one site and not at others....get used to that....each site has things they like and don't like.  Don't worry about it much...it's not you....we all see that every day.  Removing composition, make sure you are noise free at all of them.  SS hates noise.   IS hates over filtering and artifacts.  DT is hard to figure out as well as FT.  I am very selective with IS.  The rest get most everything I shoot.

I'm new at this too so I hope this helps, one noob to another.  The vets here may shed a whole new light on this topic.
Well, I don't think I'll be offering any exclusive files so I won't have to worry about that.  Perhaps I could keep a spreadsheet with the file name and then list which sites accepted or rejected the shot.
Another question....pictures that were rejected by SS....should I submit them to the other sites just in case they accept them?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Keeping Track
« on: May 08, 2008, 20:16 »
well some people keep individual stats for each picture.. if you have more than 100 pictures or get 100's of sales a day that soon gets to be FAR too much work.

I don't keep track of sales per pic... just sales per day per site and then get averages and such from there.  I also don't keep track of what was accepted rejected on each site (although that might of been nice to know)

This is what i do to keep organized.
I edit a batch of 50 or more pictures and put the ready jpgs in a folder called batch 01, or batch 02 etc. 
The tiffs i just stockpile all together in a tiff folder.

Then i have a folder for each stock site, and paste a shortcut to the batch 01, or batch 02 folders in each stock sites folder (if that made sense).. that way i can see which batches need to be uploaded to which site while not having 10 version of the same file on my hard drive.

When i upload a batch to a site (I upload all 50 at a time) i delete the shortcut from that sites folder.
Originally, when I was just on SS, I had a folder called NEW UPLOADS that I put pictures in that were processed.  Then I would upload the pictures and transfer them to a folder called PENDING.  After the review process, I have folders for each type of rejection and I would move them to the appropriate folder.  But now that I'm on 7 sites, that will be too much to keep up with.
My other problem is that I process and store my pictures on one computer and then put them on a USB drive and use another computer to upload them.  So, it's hard to make shortcuts, etc.

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General Stock Discussion / Keeping Track
« on: May 08, 2008, 16:42 »
I have a question for those of you who upload to multiple sites and have a lot of pictures:

How do you keep track of what you've uploaded to each site? 

I just started doing this 2 months ago and was initially only on Shutterstock.  I have three years of pictures on my hard drive that I am processing and uploading, as well as what I am currently taking.  But some sites only allow so many pictures to be uploaded in a given time period so I can't upload equally to each site. 

As a side note, I find it a bit frustrating that pictures that were accepted on SS are being rejected at other sites...particularly ones that are selling well. 

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General - Top Sites / Re: The Big 6 from a new user's POV
« on: May 01, 2008, 16:22 »
In terms of making money, it's really a Big Four followed by Small Three. You need to be uploading to DT.


As usual Sharply_done is spot on.

You really do need to contribute to Dreamstime.  Not contributing because their review time estimates aren't very useful is not very smart.  They will probably be your #3 or #4 earner overall, if you fall in line with most contributors.  They are very user friendly by my estimation.  Uploading is a breeze, commissions are strong, and admin has always been friendly and responsive in my experience.

Paula, you are obviously not a typical newbie contributor if you are getting EL sales in month #1.  With that in mind, you should be very successful once you get more images online and learn better what sells, and what doesn't sell.  Sharply_done's goal estimates are probably pretty reasonable, since you appear to have previous experience.

My advice -

* Do your best to shrug off inevitable rejections.  Every site is picky about something.
* Understand that each site has a few flaws.  But all of the Top 7 are good to work with.
* Don't worry about Review Times.  Just keep uploading, and you will hardly notice.
* Stay involved with the message boards.  It's a good place to get advice, and occasionally vent a little!


Well, I reconsidered DT and will try them again.  I just won't pay any attention to their ETR.  They're the only one that has one, that I've seen.

I am only new to stock, but not to photography.  I was very pleased with getting an EL.  The shot was from my first shoot with my present camera.

Not to be cocky, but I think I can beat that estimate.  ;D I spend every evening processing and/or uploading pictures and usually upload an average of 25 per day at present.  Once I get through all my old pictures, that'll probably wane a bit.

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General - Top Sites / Re: The Big 6 from a new user's POV
« on: May 01, 2008, 16:14 »
Welcome to the exciting world of microstock. When I started in Dec 05, I felt the same excitement.  I couldnt wait to get my pics online. Btw, was not happy about the 1 month review time of  my Shutterstock  application only to find out that I have been rejected and needed to wait an other 3 months. Just to put things in perspective ;-))

In the long run the review times do not really matter. They are all reasonable fast. Just keep uploading and try to improve your acceptance ratio. At DT it impacts the results of the search engine and therefore your income!

SS is very nice at the beginning. But in the long run the other sites are well worth it. Second what was said before.  Big6 is the go.

I guess I've been spoiled at SS because my application was reviewed and accepted the same day I uploaded my 10 pics.  And they pretty much always review my pictures within 1 business day.
I disagree about the review times not being important....at least not in the beginning.  Most of the pictures I'm processing right now are from when I was using my old camera, which had a smaller sensor and produced quite a bit of noise even at ISO 100.  I am having to use noise reduction software and it's been quite a learning process to figure out what is too little/too much.  The faster they review my pictures, the sooner I know how to process the next batch.  I've been trying to upload 50 pictures every other day and if I don't know how the last batch did by the time I'm processing the next batch, I could be totally wasting my time.

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General - Top Sites / Re: The Big 6 from a new user's POV
« on: May 01, 2008, 16:05 »
I agree that in the end it doesn't matter if an image is reviewed in 2 days or a week, but at the beginning when you are just building your portfolio it is difficult to contain anxiety :)

For me it's not anxiety, it's feedback.  I upload about 50 pictures every other day and the sooner I know what they rejected, the better I can use that info to help me correct any post-processing issues.

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General - Top Sites / Re: The Big 6 from a new user's POV
« on: May 01, 2008, 16:03 »
Maybe you shouldn't worry about review times so much? Really, it doesn't change that much if a photo is accepted (or rejected?) in 24 hours or 54 hours, does it?

I see messages here about that and sometimes I upload and it takes a week, or they review five at a time, per day at one of the big two. You can ignore the waiting times, as they can be wrong in either direction.

Acceptance reviews will often say, they will check your photos in 7-10 days. Then you see that overnight it's been done. Others say how many days, and it takes eight days instead.

I figure that some of the images sat in my computer for three months, why do I have to have a review as soon as I decide I want it?  ;)

Personal opinion, but review times are kind of a waste of time as a discussion topic. It's like the weather. We think we can predict or guess and complain and talk about it, but we can't change it.  ;D

I'm not criticizing you, just injecting my personal view of all the talk about review times.

Sounds like you are doing well and jumping in with both feet. Don't sell DT or BS short, they are good earners. You have it right. Stick with the big six or maybe keep 123 as the Magnificent Seven.

You can ftp to all the sites except iStock, which makes things much easier than using the sites flash or software loaders. Good luck!

When you get a collection of pictures that you can't sell as RF, start an account at FeaturePics and upload them as Editorial.


Being new to the stock business, review times are important to me because I can find out what they do and do not like about my current uploads.  For instance, my first batches had a lot rejected due to noise.  Later, I had some rejected due to overuse of noise reduction software.  Since most of the pictures I am processing right now are from an older camera that had a smaller sensor, I am trying to process the pictures so that they don't get rejected due to noise.  Finding the happy medium has been a bit tricky, but the faster my pictures get reviewed, the better I can decide how to continue processing them.  It also helps me keep track of what I've uploaded.  I have a feeling that once I get started on these other sites, it's going to be tricky for me to keep track of it all.  I have thousands of images to upload. 

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General - Top Sites / Re: The Big 6 from a new user's POV
« on: May 01, 2008, 15:51 »
In terms of making money, it's really a Big Four followed by Small Three. You need to be uploading to DT. With the exception of 123, forget about sites that aren't on the 'Big 6' list.

Here's an attainable monthly income end-of-the-year target for you:
  • IS + SS: $550
  • DT + FT: $275
  • StockXpert + BigStock + 123: $175

... good luck!


I think I can beat that.   ;D

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General - Top Sites / Re: The Big 6 from a new user's POV
« on: May 01, 2008, 15:49 »
Just stick with the big 6, the others are not really worth your while. I always say that Shutterstock is the best one to get started on because you see instant returns the day after your images are approved. All of the other sites may take some time to get your first download.

The ETA at Dreamstime used to be somewhat accurate but lately it just jumps all over.

Based on what others commented on, I will do the Big 6, plus 123.  Although, today I see that 123 has replaced BigStock on the top earnings.

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General - Top Sites / Re: The Big 6 from a new user's POV
« on: April 30, 2008, 18:26 »
123RF and Crestock make it very easy to upload there.  I'd be happier if there were more sales, but who wouldn't?

BigStock closes down their uploading about every other weekend it seems.  When they disable uploading, I don't think you can even go into your queue and assign categories & such.

The ETR at Dreamstime usually isn't that thrashed, but it is an estimate of sorts.

Well, for the time being, I'm going to not use DT.  If they're going to give an ETR, it should be remotely correct. 

So far, I feel I've done quite well on SS and enjoy their site.  And sales have been good.  I even had an Enhanced License Sale. :D

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General - Top Sites / Re: The Big 6 from a new user's POV
« on: April 30, 2008, 18:16 »
Give 123RF a go, for me they are much better then Bigstock and their uploads and site is quite easy and stress free to use
Thanks.  I will give them a try.

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General - Top Sites / The Big 6 from a new user's POV
« on: April 30, 2008, 17:52 »
I've been on Shutterstock for the past month and a half and have done quite well in the short amount of time.  I already have 179 pictures in my gallery.  I really enjoy their site and the generally quick response for reviews (usually 1 business day). 
So, I decided to try another site.  I picked iStock and was told it could take up to two weeks to be accepted!  Jeesh!  But at least they were up front about it.  I had two of three images accepted so now I am uploading a new third picture to be accepted.
Next, I decided to try Dreamstime.  No acceptance period...just upload pics.  So, I submitted 37 pictures and was told the ETR was 24 hours.  Well, the next day it was still 24 hours.  The next day it went up to 175 hours!  what?  Not too impressed with them at this point. 
Today I decided to get on the other three. 
Fotolia only had the option to upload one at a time....will have to see if I can do multiple files.
Stockxpert is a bit hard for me to navigate.
BigStockPhoto is slowwwww for uploading.  I uploaded 10 pictures and it says it could take up to 20 mintues for my thumbnails to show up. 

Basically, I find it interesting how some sites are more user friendly and have faster response times, whereas other sites are not so user friendly and slow as molasses.  If it weren't for the fact that I'm out to make money, I'd just stick with Shutterstock.  It was very easy to get signed up and I don't have any problems navigating the site. 

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