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Canva / Re: More ''Good news'' from Canva :-/
« on: May 02, 2019, 09:46 »
At 250 sales/month (which I don't know how they will limit it to that, but that is another story) we would get 0.0259 per sale. There would have to be around 18 sub sales per month for us to get the 0.35 we get now.

Envato / Re: Envato Elements New Earning Opportunity.
« on: April 28, 2019, 20:40 »
Just remember this is a site with a proven record of screwing contributors. Sure you might make good money, or maybe you will contribute to lowering prices or maybe put a lot of effort into it and they will boot you out one day.

Canva / Re: More ''Good news'' from Canva :-/
« on: April 26, 2019, 13:06 »
The details are what really matters - and they haven't told us any of them. I replied that 0.35 every time someone uses my image is fine, or some percentage of the sub price every time a user looks at an image (like spotify or Netflix).

They had a new model and were actually somewhat exciting (in the real meaning of the word). Since the Getty deal and now this they are more "exciting" in the microstock meaning.

I fear I'll be deleting my port there.

104 / Re: Shutterstock Q1 2019 earnings report
« on: April 25, 2019, 20:00 »
Thanks for the report. It does sound like a lot of words that don't really say anything (to me). 

It would be interesting to have a mixed investor and artist presentation since they are almost saying the opposite thing to each group.

On a side note. I keep getting ads for SS custom content on facebook (proof their AI still sucks) and looking at the comments it sounds like they charge 25-30K for this service. I guess 20% trickles down to the photographer that "wins". Still a decent chunk of change, but what do you have to do to get it (and how much more could/would you do for 25-30K than for 5-6K). I wish SS would just give me however much facebook charges to show me these ads.

Legally, the model release covers it. If you have images of family members or friends or just don't want to deal with the hassle of a model that is pissed, you might want to opt out.

Canva / Re: How are the earnings going?
« on: April 22, 2019, 16:33 »
Check this out

As I understand it, those are sales that are not US$ - so it might be some currency that is worth 18 to the US$ but they report it this way. I sure hope so. It has been a while since I got more than 0.35 for a sale there.

For me the time to stop uploading was when they introduced the RC system. Time to start deleting was a few years later.

Sure, you will make more than 0 money there, but you are contributing to the market paying less and less percent to the artists. We all have lines where we won't take it any more. Getty/Istock crossed that line for me. I strongly suspect that I would have made more $ if I left my stuff up and added more, but I also would have had to live with myself, and it wasn't enough money for that.

Canva / Re: Sigh.....
« on: April 19, 2019, 00:22 »
I've had at least one batch reviewed this year. I don't remember when I uploaded them though, probably January. Sales are way down though.

109 / Re: Another DT problem
« on: April 12, 2019, 12:08 »
I uploaded a batch earlier this week and they made it into my port. I didn't check if they were searchable but they have had some views.

They had some pretty bad issues with different data on different servers (I presume) so that downloads would appear and disappear over a day or 2. I haven't had a sale in a few days, so I don't know if that is fixed.

I made a bit more there last month than I have most months lately mostly due to a few bigger $ sales, but more like income in 2007 with a few hundred images as opposed to early 2007 with 100 or less files.

It isn't really long enough to see the results on my end, but based on the sales "doubling" at 123RF and Istock I don't expect any increase in sales and that means a decrease in money for me. So far refunds have doubled.

Canva / Re: Sigh.....
« on: April 04, 2019, 12:27 »
The rejections there have usually had me scratching my head. Best seller = a background, most backgrounds rejected. Some .png files rejected. Also with no information given there is no way to tell why it was rejected.

For a while sales were quite good there (numbers of sales similar to SS) and with a different sort of market than most of the other sites, but they really fell off a cliff at the end of last year (in March they were behind DT). I fear that they can just get what they want from the Getty database, so why bother reviewing and accepting and hosting their own content. The fact that the artists percentage is double-dipped down to who knows what - potentially 15% of 35% (or 5.25%) doesn't seem to bother them, although it should distress any artist. I keep hoping they will turn around but I see no evidence of it and other than hope I have no reason to believe it will happen. Also they aren't going to be getting any of my new content and very little of my old content through the Getty route.

Canva / Re: Submissions not being processed?
« on: March 28, 2019, 18:58 »
All I got from that style guide is they really like pastels and especially pink. I hope that doesn't represent what they have been spending all their time on.

Sales are still behind DT for this month (and it is the 28th).

I have had at least one batch reviewed this year. Maybe a month ago?

At the point AI keywording is actually good enough to not need human handholding I figure all stock sites will be using it and we won't have to keyword at all. Sadly they will probably start using it well before that time and it will make the searches even more inaccurate and spammy (but maybe to counteract that the sites will push older properly keyworded proven seller files and our old stuff will continue to sell despite the tsunami of new and perhaps better content).

I guess if we keep training the computer by fixing what it comes up with eventually it will get better?

General Stock Discussion / Re: Pond5 "Good News"!
« on: March 25, 2019, 20:27 »
I'm not understanding this "open another account" concept. Isn't the whole point of this exclusivity to be artist+video exclusive at P5? Except now they are suggesting we open another account, Gillian 2.0 and she is exclusive, and Gillian 1.0 isn't. So i can still upload other video elsewhere as before, and exclusive stuff to a new account at P5? I don't understand the point of this, just let us chose which videos are exclusive to P5 from within our existing ports.

Or, do they mean they'll let us keep our old stuff live with them, and live elsewhere but moving forward we can be exclusive only with the new account? What we all really want is to add another layer of work and complication, amiright.

Just let us choose which files are exclusive.

that would make sense, but they probably already coded something for artist exclusivity so it is easier for them to just have you open another account that only has exclusive content in it. That doesn't work well if half the stuff you already uploaded can be exclusive and the other half can't but...

General Stock Discussion / Re: Pond5 "Good News"!
« on: March 25, 2019, 12:46 »
When sites have more stringent (or random) acceptance policies there is a quite a bit of difference in what assets are at what sites and a lot of it is still not exclusive. This is probably less true for very good quality stuff, but best sellers at one place were rejected by others for me. If they push exclusive in the search it would make going exclusive more attractive, but make the site as a whole less attractive for buyers especially as a first choice place to search. 

My feeling is that stock buyers really just want to find material that will work for their project asap. at a price that is low enough. The thing that will separate out the winning stock site is having enough material and a very good easy to use search.

Would love to be able to see the live dls list that used to be on fotolia.  It just makes it easier to get a feel for what's selling and what's not.

This is the reason we have added the Top 10 Contributors of the week. It's an effort to provide you with real time intel on what is actually selling in the market at any given time. I'm personally finding it fascinating to see what style is currently popular.


but it has a slightly convoluted algorithm to choose who is up there. I wondered how contributors with "100+" sales made it. Also without knowing how the portfolio is sorted when we look at it, it doesn't necessarily tell us much about what files are selling. Still it is interesting to see what is popular - except we don't necessarily know which images actually are popular or how popular they are. (I would love to see and know that information but I don't think it would actually be good to have it publicly available) - but it would be good to be able to get that sort of information about our own ports.

Sounds like a recipe for a lot more poorly keyworded spammed files.

(I have not tested this keyword generation service, it might in fact be very good, BUT judging by the quality of almost every other supposedly great machine learning AI thing I suspect a lot of mistakes - that is fine if you understand the language you are keywording in and correct accordingly, but if you can do that you probably don't need this tool anyway).

Back in the day I considered IS exclusivity, but then they changed the search algo and my income there would drop over 50% and then slowly rise over 6 - 12 months and I'd start thinking about exclusivity again and then bam - sales would plummet again. Then they changed the levels goalposts and then they started pulling all sorts of BS and I pretty much gave up on them. If they work for you, you should go for it, but know they can change something and your earnings could plummet - this can happen anywhere, but if you are spread out hopefully it won't happen everywhere at once.

120 / Re: Have sales plummeted for all or just me?
« on: March 19, 2019, 16:11 »
They are pretty variable for me, but I have had some recent sales - not great $ (and now 20% less for me), but not horrible.

General Stock Discussion / Re: Pond5 "Good News"!
« on: March 17, 2019, 20:55 »
Oh dear. It sure seems like a BOHICA announcement coming up. I sure hope I am wrong.

First you start with $200,000 and then buy 50K worth of gear.

I think it would be very hard to impossible as an individual these days - so you either have to have an image/clip factory, or start a microstock site that just sends all the "assets" to other sites and skims 70-85%.

You can see US sales vs other sales on SS by going to the payment history page :

Last month about 55% non US for me (I'm US based and have mostly US content)

the month before about 47% non US.

Just eyeballing down the list I'd say it usually runs from about 55-70% non US for me.

Canva / Re: How are the earnings going?
« on: March 09, 2019, 19:55 »
9 days into the month and Dreamstime has more than twice the earnings (and it isn't like DT is on track to have a stellar month). So far every day could have been a weekend day. I don't know what it is, but something really changed there for me around the second half to end of last year and it wasn't for the better. The Getty deal would explain it. Maybe it is good for Canva, but it just seems like everything they touch gets ruined.

Envato / Re: Banner
« on: March 09, 2019, 13:04 »
Depending on where you are perhaps, their accounting practices and reporting are odd - to verging on shady.

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