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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: December 04, 2023, 19:16 »
Yes, this is what happened.... among other things.
Again this is your way of conveniently selecting events that support your opinion, while neglecting what's not. In other words, propaganda.


So again anything that doesn't fit into your brainwashed state of mind is propaganda  :D

Again you ran on the other side of the history trying to mask the most relevant historical facts about the matter.


I insist, according to the facts I wrote ( and nobody here choose to school me ) and I gave yall enough time to correct me...

So under "INTERNATIONAL LAW" Arabs have gained sole right to control the peninsula and more, and yet the area is being unlawfully controlled by terrorist groups supported and financed. this time not by the west cause even EU puppet states don't support that s.hit, but anymore but an US project.

Also Zionism was officially declared by UN  Resolution 3379 as a form of racial discrimination. One more time by the UN. So why is the biggest democracy in the world supporting the ones that the WORLD considers racists and their NA.ZI terrorist army targeting children and hospitals ?








     

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 27, 2023, 20:58 »

Nope.
Here you have it: I condemn from the bottom of my heart the killings of children and civilians by Israeli forces, even if provoked by hamas.
At the same time, hamas is a terrorist organization, and you should never justify their terror and killing of children and innocent civilians by referencing to some selective colonial past.

I was only arguing against your marxist view of the world, and lack of knowledge in the history of those lands.

I told you that the situation is highly debatable, but you said it's not.
"Not at all", you said.  ::)

Now you realised that the situation is highly debatable, indeed. You even debate it yourself.

This is progress! Good job!

Good start. Now we can start talking...

So, if you want to debate, and i still think its useless, because its pretty clear , lets try...but with facts. If we dive deep into history we will for sure get stuck at a point where its impossible to define the situation with arguments because nobody never did and it can only lead to useless fights.

But we can certainly start the debate with using nothing but modern historical facts backed up arguments at the point just before the forces that are shaping the world in this moment got their hands on that land and what happened after.

So, lets start with episode one, and let me know if any of this statement is false.

- During WWI Britain and France needed help to fight Ottoman Empire and asked Arabs to join them. In return they promised sovereignty
and full control of Arab peninsula. In the McMahonHussein Correspondence ten letters that were exchanged from July 1915 to March 1916 Government of UK is clearly stating that.

-Then SykesPicot Agreement happened, where the lions were secretly dividing their middle east share by breaking the agreement they previously made with Arabs. But later it was revealed that the meeting actually took place on 23 November 1915. and ratified by their governments on the 9. and the 16. May 1916. That means that the beginning of modern European-Arab relationship started with crossed fingers behind the back and that Arabs were lied during almost whole McMahonHussein Correspondence time only to pull them into the war against Ottomans which controlled the area at the time.

As that western betray was a crucial moment, not only as first step of establishment of a new country, but in a much wider context concerning the whole middle east and wars that followed this has to be clear.

If this is not how things happened, here is a chance for anyone who has a wish to school me  ;), and if it did then we can continue from there.

So, can we agree on this or not ?
 







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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 27, 2023, 18:56 »

And a dislike Russian imperialism at same level as i do American, British, French, Spanish, Dutch.... .

It doesn't look like. What you obviously dislike is Ukraine's fight AGAINST russian colonialism. You constantly found excuses for putin's colonial invasion of Ukraine.

And if you dislike those western colonial empires, you should also dislike the Arab colonialism and its consequences.

Check my previous post: Arab Palestinians are not the ancient Aegean Palestinians/Philistines, but Arab settlers and conquerors.

As I recall, you said leave the past lets talk whats going on now.

I don't see a word from you condemning the fact that Israeli killed more children in last 2 weeks than Putin in Ukraine and there are multiple post where I wrote against what he does calling him a psycho.

That, makes you a clear example of a hypocrite which values a child life by the citizenship on his birth certificate  ;)

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 27, 2023, 18:47 »
Anti-Semitism and being against genocide which Israeli Zionists are blatantly committing for decades against people of Palestine on their own land are two different things. They should peacefully accept that extermination of their children is the only way? Sure.

Billions of people and the majority of the worlds population support Palestine in their rightful goal for liberation and freedom on the land that was occupied by Europeans and given to foreign settlers imported from Europe.

There are certainly good arguments from recent history against both Israel and the Palestinian Arabs - no one has covered themselves with glory here.

However, your argumentation contradicts some real historical facts.

Unfortunately you are in good company with people like Greta Thunberg. To me it shows that some schooling is not necessarily harmful  ;)

The Jews are historically entrenched in the region, even before BC. There have also been some Jewish state-like entities in the region throughout history.  The State of Israel was not established in the State of Palestine, but in the British protectorate after the breakup of the Ottoman Empire, before that Mamlyuk Islamic State of Egypt, before that the Empire of Ayubid, etc. There was no Palestinian state here until 1988.

Historically, Palestine is not a state, but a region on the Mediterranean Sea that was populated by Arabs, Christians and Jews. The state of Palestine was proclaimed only in 1988 by the PLO and then disintegrated itself through the dispute between Hamas and Fatah. There have been no elections here since 2006.

If Hamas had actually attacked only military installations, that would have been understandable in the historical context. We know that they did not. With October 7, however, HAMAS itself has moved the conflict to another dimension and is therefore responsible for the current catastrophic situation.

The only one needs schooling is you  ;)

Huge majority of people in Israel today are 2.-3. generation of European settlers.

HAMAS is not people of Palestine like Irish people were not IRA. And I don't recall Irish settlements bombed to the ground after actions IRA performed, do you ?

BTW, recent UN voting to stop all military actions there speaks clearly what people of the world want and how much Israeli actions are supported around the globe. 



 

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 27, 2023, 12:01 »
@Lizard
This is highly debatable.



Not debatable at all, a peace of land in the middle of the middle east controlled by Brits, french and Russians and given to a third party to import European settlers is pure example of tyranny.

And a dislike Russian imperialism at same level as i do American, British, French, Spanish, Dutch.... . Absolutely same principles of tyranny with the difference that the Israeli is happening now.

You forgot to comment that they just killed more children in last two weeks than Russian in last few years. But thats ok, they have license to kill. And their foreign politics is so aggressive that they dare to attack high members of UN, foreign politicians, presidents, prime ministers, Nobel prize winners and that democracy and freedom of speech is a foreign entity for them which they don't recognize.

The victims of yesterday become Naz.is of today in all their glory.   

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 26, 2023, 18:12 »
Countries that have recognized the State of Palestine:




Enough said

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 26, 2023, 17:52 »
Anti-Semitism and being against genocide which Israeli Zionists are blatantly committing for decades against people of Palestine on their own land are two different things. They should peacefully accept that extermination of their children is the only way? Sure.

Billions of people and the majority of the worlds population support Palestine in their rightful goal for liberation and freedom on the land that was occupied by Europeans and given to foreign settlers imported from Europe.

 


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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 24, 2023, 05:02 »

That's right, there were ideas! With your former allies. They have a mustachioed schizophrenic and you have a mustachioed bloodsucker with a withered hand. They had concentration camps and so do you. Now you also have wonderful allies - murderers and thugs. You are going the right way, comrades!

Skipping therapy not recommended  ;)

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 23, 2023, 05:41 »
It looks like you don't only want to cancel russian authors who have nothing to do with putin

putin and all the other Russian orcs grew up on this Russian literature. The entire Russian empire rests on this literature. Therefore, all this literature should be banned.

Here is an idea, lets burn all those books.

O wait, someone e already had that idea of burning culture not so long ago.  ;D

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 20, 2023, 17:40 »
You see Zero Talent, from a neutral point, you are pretty much this guy, just you are somewhere on level 5-6 , and he is way above on level Conan  ;D


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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 14, 2023, 19:12 »
How do you think this war could have been avoided? What should Selensky have done to prevent it?

Before even entering in serious arguments lets start with the little things like this ?

You are German right ? So, you want to talk about your legal policies considering the matter of using n.a.z.i symbols ?
Dude there were banned even in video games until recent.

And there a guy shows up, not only financing people who wave the flags but renaming 300 street names just in Kyiv in favor of n.a.z.i collaborators and removing those of anti-fascists to please the right wingers.

But lets go further, why not incorporating those n.a.z.i. cults in official army structures and enable them to participate in legal functions of the state ?

Now again, lets imagine legalizing n.a.z.i symbols, renaming streets and incorporating a strong wing of SS worshipers in army forces of Germany. I can imagine some people would proudly get their amazon order shipped to Adolf Hitler's square 88.  ;)

Can we start from there ?

Later we can talk about what are those people able to do to minorities with not only law on their side but the power and encouragement.

   


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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 13, 2023, 07:34 »
Clownsky literally destroyed his country and his people for foreign interests and got a middle finger in return. Even today there are way more chances Russia will join NATO than Ukraine.

There should be his photo in dictionaries under the word puppet.

No. Far from it.

He is the Braveheart of or times, a smart charismatic leader many countries could only dream to have.

He is doing a fantastic job, leading the defense of his people against the russian imperialist/colonialist aggression.

David vs Goliath redux, in real time, in front of our eyes!

You are obviously ill informed: putin is destroying Ukraine, not its defenders.

And if anything, you are the puppet, willingly or unwillingly manipulated by putin's Sankt Petersburg troll farm propaganda.  ::)

He will end up in emigration like countless puppet leaders before him, population of his country will be drastically reduced, after rebuilding they will be economical slaves of the east or of the west depending of scenario which will not be resolved anytime soon while 30k people are leaving Ukraine on daily basis.


On the other hand Russia and US are literally imperialistic twins with same principles copying each other to last details and Clownsky choose to act as a puppet in between risking the future of 44M people. At this point there are 31M people left in Ukraine and untill next summer the number will be under 25M in bast scenario.

But since you are focused just on white and black figures on the chessboard I can understand that you couldn't care less for those people and their future as long as they fight against your imperialists rivals same as Putin doesn't care about the kids he is recruiting and sending to death.

This war would never have happened if Clownsky played for his own team.

And you...well you are the troll trying to spread that propaganda from the other side and hate on pretty much empty forum topic together with another clown  ;)

As someone living in between of two psycho states I'm telling you again, there is Alaska so you can both show your muscles there without using Europe as human shield.







 




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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 12, 2023, 18:41 »
Clownsky literally destroyed his country and his people for foreign interests and got a middle finger in return. Even today there are way more chances Russia will join NATO than Ukraine.

There should be his photo in dictionaries under the word puppet. 

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: October 04, 2023, 13:59 »
China was cool, great products and reasonable prices.

Now it became an role model for western countries seeking to implement Orwellian society on level max.

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: September 20, 2023, 18:58 »
Morawiecki officially stated that the times Poland was sending arms to Ukraine are now gone and the role of Poland and transit country is deeply under question. Also they are planning to stop all financial support for Ukrainian refugees.

Polish ministry of foreign affairs called Ukrainian ambassador for a talk after Clownsky UN speech.

It's more and more clear that the clown literary destroyed his nation serving as puppet that pulled his people in the middle of imperialist world domination game.


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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: September 11, 2023, 08:31 »
EU provides 1 million in humanitarian aid in response to the earthquake

https://neighbourhood-enlargement.ec.europa.eu/news/morocco-eu-provides-eu1-million-humanitarian-aid-response-earthquake-2023-09-11_en


That's seriously a f.....g insult in such situation. They spend more on food and drinks at each of their internal EU commission office parties.

China also had a horse for the race and won by offering 200k

I hope Morocco will refuse those generous offers

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: September 10, 2023, 13:24 »
@Lizard

Nobody cares about Brics.

They are totally divided and fighting each other, with China, Russia and several others all believing they will be the top dog and everyone else just becomes a slave state in their empire.

Their oligarchs will certainly thrive and make more money and perhaps longterm China will indeed dominate it all.

But the countries joining are not really interesting. Difficult economies, cannot feed their exploding populations and if they have any natural resources the money just goes to the oligarchs.

Their populations are desperate to escape and get jobs in NATO countries.

Until it goes the other way round - people from wealthy countries starting to move into the Brics zone it is all dead on arrival.

Actually I wish them luck, maybe they can do a little bit together to improve the lives of their people.

But I doubt it.Poor populations make better slaves.


Oh, they care. Its just a good topic to avoid in western media.

Oligarchs are just extremely rich people that earn money in suspicious ways and get highly involved in politics. West is also full of those. Even more than the east. Most of the huge debt western countries have is owned by private corporations. National banks are in private hands and the nations are depending on their moves. Politicians have secret meetings and deal with them and passing laws that allow them to take more and more. Corporate budgets became larger the the ones of the countries. And all that money is controlled  by a few. Oligarchy at its best.

Also, don't forget that huge chunks of largest European countries budgets is being sucked from ex colonies and that also major part of largest companies production is there which makes their products competitive and their leaders can stop that in a second.

Also don't forget that western world owns way less natural resources and that Europe stands extremely poor in that aspect.

In this world, only the changes are permanent. And also emigrating for work doesn't mean liking the place you go or supporting that system.

I would say chasing the money to repay loans makes best slaves. And setting the basic living prices so high that an average human has to work overtime to cover basic cost is the best ground for modern slavery. 




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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: September 10, 2023, 09:29 »
Interesting maps Zero, thank you.

Also very interesting to learn that Ukrainian people are genetically not as strongly related to Russia as Putin keeps claiming.

Ukraine must win, will join both NATO and the EU.

No it wont at least not without catastrophic consequences for all the world.

And people keep forgetting that in case we keep imposing the same politics that lead to this, that there is a strong chance that
in the future BRICKS countries may also form a military union that goes beyond the economy.

And those countries have 3.2 billion people combined at the moment while UN countries population is under a billion with way less chances to grow significantly while more and more countries are applying to join BRICKS. At this moment more than 40 countries want to join, and that would make BRICKS union climb close to 5 billion people in population. 

In case that things escalate, NATO wouldn't  stand a chance in conventional war without using nuclear power, and in case of nuclear war its game over for 90% of the world's  population.

NATO COUNTRIES:






 

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: September 02, 2023, 05:21 »

Annie needs to come to Ukraine, to the line of fire. Very quickly Annie will forget what Buddhism is.

You should also

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: August 22, 2023, 17:42 »


I don't know how old your history books are and to what extent your remarks are Russian colored.



Well, my grandmothers village was burned by Germans and Italians and she lost her father,  2 younger brothers , uncle and multiple school friends in that night.

As she is still alive living in the ground apartment I don't even have to use the books nor travel thousands of miles to Russia to color anything. She never stopped talking about them and now when she got dementia after she turned 98. She is even calling them on daily basis. And I don't have to be a genius to crack out that killing 10 and 12 year old kids on the spot leave marks in people that go far beyond the books.   ;)

Also as I live in a part of the country which changed "owners" multiple times so I exactly know how some tend to treat the minorities, Italians in this case to be more precise, like burning the house for owning book in wrong language, forcefully changing last names of people to fake ethnic ratios, forbidding people to get out the houses on voting day and even shooting them at the spot for speaking wrong language in public.

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: August 21, 2023, 17:19 »

There is a crucial difference. No neighbor of Switzerland, no Italian, no French, no German and no Austrian, steals Swiss children to bring them to their own country. And no Swiss neighbor claims that the Swiss are *. No Italian neighbor claims that Switzerland once belonged to the former Roman Empire and thus to Italy. No neighbor imposes its culture, language or cultural identity on Switzerland. And above all: no neighbor interferes in Switzerland's decisions about which alliance Switzerland should join - be it military, be it economic or whatever.

Heeding your "advice" would have achieved nothing. Putin wants Russia to be the size of the former tsarist empire. No matter how Ukraine would have behaved.

And if your way of thinking were to be believed, then the states of Eastern Europe, then Central Europe and then Western Europe would be next on Putin's agenda. Because he lacks the buffer to NATO. Until now, that buffer has been Ukraine. If it became Russian, he would be even closer to NATO and would have to create a buffer again. And so on...

Lets start with the end...and that's pure populism. Russia doesn't have offensive military strength, nor resources nor nearly enough personnel to even think to invade anyone cause Putin would end up like Hitler. Secondly during his career most of that Europe was not in NATO and there wasn't slightest chance of that scenario. And third, planning to bring nuclear weapons and building military bases under direct US control pointing at Russia directly on her borders is a huge factor and don't pretend you don't see this is not a main reason for what is happening. At the end, you are writing like Putin had an agenda of occupying whole Europe. He said multiple times don't spread NATO to their borders and anyone with his power would do the same starting from US if he made an alliance with Mexico lets say and planned to put his missiles there, you would have a war. As simple as that.

Zielinski is no less of a puppet than Yanukovych and he knew exactly the risks he is taking and he didn't give a f..k about his people and his country benefits, he also played with fire by allowing what was happening to Russian minority in his country ( which if btw. Swiss people would start to do to German, Italian or French minorities that would end up with some neighbor problems for sure) 

And back to the beginning, Italia, Gemany, France or Austria don't have their neighbors missiles pointed at them despite the facts that they invaded every single country around them and some of them not so long ago. Not to even mention that some of them have pretty strong political currents that are openly promoting revision of historical maps and have pretty strong pretensions on foreign territories with influence of ideas of a guy with little square mustaches.

Back on Zielinski, he knew pretty well that the geographic position of his country requires a bit more wisdom than if he was on the other side of Europe, and Im also pretty sure he was not stupid, he knew exacly what could happen and he didn't care about his people but about being a loyal servant of masters that are throwing him crumbs at the moment but he can not say it to loud because they shut him up sooo quickly.

The first low signal he got from NATO recently to think about giving up parts of his territory speaks enough. The fact that Jenssen apologized, said it was a mistake but that even so he wouldn't rule out the idea so quickly, clearly speaks about whats going on behind the closed doors. If someone thinks something like that is a mistake coming from that level where everything is checked 100 times before it hits the public, well that one deserves a golden squirrel naivety reward.
 



 

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: August 21, 2023, 13:51 »

Yeah, yeah, yeah... it makes perfect sense!
He should rather sell his people to putin, indeed!
That will make him the best leader in history of mankind.
I know, I know.

He should have just pretended he is Switzerland and stopped acting as a imperialists puppet. Now he destroyed all of his country and pulled his own people to misery for decades to come and the west showed him the middle finger to avoid any direct conflict with Russia. 

He also lost nice part of the territory for good and there are way more chances he will loose more than to regain anything lost.

Now he even started to get signal that he should accept the territory loss directly from his NATO friends.

Everything else is fairy-tale which is melting day by day even in the words of western media and politicians which were pretending to support him most. 


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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: August 21, 2023, 11:49 »
Worst leader in history of mankind.

Yeah... it makes sense, especially when compared with other leaders in history of mankind, like stalin, hitler, pol pot, mao, ceauşescu, miloević, kim jong un, putin...  ::)

Same league. Only their goals were criminal benefits for their own countries and he sold his own people for benefits of someone else. That makes him worst  ;)

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: August 21, 2023, 11:47 »
This has to go viral.  ;D

Yes indeed.
The post had been viewed > 127,000 times, suggesting that around half of viewers responded with the laughing react.

.... plus one laughing react from you.  :'(

That one was for posts above and you know it  ;)

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Off Topic / Re: This should settle some different opinions
« on: August 21, 2023, 11:22 »
It's stupid.

Ukraine doesn't know how to use or repare them. Are not toys, hard to handle.

Absolutely. Thats why they got middle finger for NATO membership and they are basically on their own with arm supply which has to be used by someone while the population is drastically declining.

They lost the nation, huge part of population, territory for an actor playing a puppet for western imperialist risking a war with same type of people on their east side. Worst leader in history of mankind.

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