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Glad to see a more balance discussion with some more people and broader opinions popping up.

At least a lot of non-technical customers, the majority i would guess, will just keep bying stock photos as per habit for a few more years. So the demise of traditional stock photos will be long and drawn out, even if AI generators will surpass them pretty quickly. There will be a lot of AI content in the libraries and those customers will pick them too, and maybe those photos will be cheaper to buy in the stock library. It might be quite strict what AI-models can train on, which hinders their development and protects normal photographers a bit.

I agree that the artform will never die at least, good analogy to traditional art and paintings. So some demand will always persist.

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Yeah i think the "legaly cleared" and "real from a real human" arguments are valid. One of the few points as to why use stock photos instead of AI. But when it comes to money and cost, isnt that the biggest deal for most customers in the end? So if AI is just as good and cheaper, will the market share stay good for old school stock photos...

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"AIs are not a problem today and will never be,for real photos and videos,for illustrations can be a different matter.
all AI content is labeled as such and nothing will ever replace a real photo or video.
and then there is so much,so much commercial content that AI cannot do  :)"


I think you will have to eat those words when we look back maybe 3 and especially 5-7 years from now. Are you guys blind to the development speed of AI? Many tools will cost money but even the free ones will be mind-blowingly good. The whole point of these tools is that they give us what we need, in anything that is digital. It already blows our mind every 6 months, and you think it cant get as good or as "customized" as a stock photo library...?

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How much is AI taking away from "normal" stock photo sales? - As much as every other "normal" image uploaded additionally to the Adobe Stock collection.

Except that any 16 year old with some promt-talent, can sit in front of his computer all day mass producing stock photos. Compare that to old school stock photos where you need to get out and about with expensive gear and have photography+Photoshop skills.

It seems today its not a huge issue, but as these tools get way better every 6 months, and more and more people learn how to use them. You would think that normal stock photographers, that do not use AI in any way, would be in big trouble in say 2-3 years and especially in 5-10 years.



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Thanks for a better response Cobalt!

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"I am to late, look for threads when AI-content was first introduced". So If I want to know how things turned out i shall look at the speculation 2 years ago, rather than asking you now when months/years have passed. Seems very resonable.

Some say sales are unaffected, but does not distinguish if it is the normal non-AI photos that are unaffected or if its unnafeffcetd sales because you have added AI-stock that is compensating a down-tick. This was one of the two questions i asked.

If AI is great and can be used as a tool, then yes, AI has replaced a little piece of the traditional stock photo sales. Putting together clues about the direction.

You guys dont seem to get what i ask somehow, or are reluctant to give me your qualified guesses....?

Im not stupid, its not black and white, stuff is complex, but by now we should be able to guess the direction if how AI affects the sales of Stockphotos.

But i can see that the trend seem to be "not so much yet". Or "not if you embrace it and upload AI photos".  I have not seem any replies that says their sales are down "more than usual/expected" after the intoduction of AI. I would like to hear from those that do not upload AI content and have worked in a similar way the last years. So trends can be spotted in sales. Maybe those people just quit and are not here anymore. Only survivors and those that embrace AI is still active on the forum and positive/neutural about the whole thing.


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No more opinions on this? I was guessing AI generating services should have been the "talk of the town" in here for the last few months.

Sure it takes more time to generate an AI-image than to go into the good old stock library and pick one. Im not talking about 100% of customers switching from one day to another. Im asking if you have seen any downtick in sales that might have to do with AI starting to take a little bit of the pie. Either from outside(Pure AI-tools, free many of them) of the stock market, or inside the library, from AI-sales.

Some of the AI-services are free and still pretty decent. Thats a huge deal for many, even if it takes a little longer, and might look a bit less customized still at this stage.

About production. I dont think a stock photographer that needs to go out taking photos IRL, or doing illustrations from scratch can match the productivity of a person just sitting there typing in prompts and spitting out AI-photos all day. I mean you could do 1 photo every 10 minutes if you you wanted to, uploaded and ready with titles/keywords and all. It takes 10 minutes to dress, before you even get out of the apartment...

Again im talking about bit picture trends, and if you have seen/heard from multiple sources that might correspond with these things.

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Hi! I bet this has been discussed a lot but, i cannot find any threads using the search function. I just want to know your opinion, maybe there is almost a consensus by now. Is AI cutting away a huge portion of the need for stock photos, since many potential costumers can use AI tools to get the photos they need. Have you noticed a down tick in sales corresponding to the use of AI-generated images that have grown a lot the last year or two. How much of the sales on the agencies are from AI-generated content, this would also take away from the old school stock photos. Are many of you all submitting AI-photos now to compensate for this? If so, can you give some rough numbers of how much of your income is from AI sales and compare that to the number of photos uploaded. It also depends on how long they have been up, if they have taken off or not etc. Hard to compare like that, I just wants some broad picture opinions, and numbers if you have any.

Stock photos has been on a down slope for many many years, i stopped uploading 2 years ago. Number of sales was steady for me, but the pay for each sales was dropping drastically each year or two. Now AI is here too, to make matters worse i guess. This is why i want to know where we sit and were we are likely going. Reality is not always what you think and Im asking you to get the reality behind this directly from the source.

Best Regards.

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Thanks for your responses! I have enabled and put a price of 865 dollars, lets see what happens...  I keep my expectations low on this one... :)

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I got a notification on Dreamstime that a buyer wants to buy the Rights for my Photo.

"This notification was sent by a potential buyer, who would like to purchase one of your files with exclusive rights license (SR-EL). If you are able to sell exclusive rights license for the image, please use the "ENABLE LICENSE" button to enable the exclusive rights license and set the price. The buyer will be automatically notified. Only the lifetime Sell the Rights license can be enabled. Keep in mind that this request is for SR-EL. Please check the table to see prices for SR-EL."

What is a normal price to set? I haven't done this before but I would like to go ahead with it. I have not made that many sales on this one and removing it from all marketplaces wont be an issue.

When ticking to sell rights box there is a another box right under it that says:
"Use recommended price ($250 - $5000)" is this for SR-EL and what is a good price in this case? When I choose "set your own price it says $700 is the recommended price.

But must i remove the photo from marketplaces before I set the price? Or can i go ahead and do that after they buyer actually buys it. I mean, i dont want to remove it if the buyer wont go with it or doesn't like the price..
 
I see no option chatting with the buyer directly, it seems i just add a price and then he or she will get notified.

Need some input here...

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Yeah i will quit shutterstock on June 1st, 3500 photos they will never see again.... We need to send a strong message! Im doing quite well on Adobe, Deposit Photos and Pond5 so wont be such a big deal and wasn't going to get so much from Shutterstock now anyways...

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If i get 0,36 dollars per image now. How many percent does that correspond to? How much does a subscription download cost to the customer? Need the basic strait before I can judge this!

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Print on Demand Forum / Re: POD Sites in 2020?
« on: April 14, 2020, 17:02 »
Im ok with some marketing for sales and plan for it. But after that I want the site to be strong enough to generate sales from searches done on the site itself, by people who are not there from my links or marketing. Is there any of these sites where that is more likely to happen? In microstock we know what sites are worth our time, just look at the polls to the right hand side and the truth is revealed, even though there are a ton more sites out there that looks great and promise a lot. Im after the same inside info for POD if possible, from people who have tested or heard about sales on most of the sites and know if something changed the last 2-3 years.

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Print on Demand Forum / POD Sites in 2020?
« on: April 14, 2020, 05:29 »
Hi!

I sell stock photos and have done on small scale for many years. However a lot of my photos tend to be Nature Photos, Travel Photos, Photoshop Art etc...

I was looking into POD (Print On Demand) sites a few years ago. I ended up giving FineArtAmerica a shot. Since then i had 4-5 sales with not so much marketing. I has involved in the community there for a while and had other members look at my stuff but that definitely didn't help. I think the few sales came from plain Searches on keywords etc.

So i want to give it another go now, but need to know what websites i should be giving my focus? Is there a better alternative to FineArtAmerica? Im interested to know what sites that have the most potential for sales, and if so, what does it take from me to get going on that site? Do i need outside marketing? Is there some site that can generate some sales with only good descriptions and keywording like stock photo sites?

Any new up-comers or big sites i ignored last time I should aim for? Just some pointers where the biggest potential lies in 2020

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Uploading to EyeEm seems like a worse and worse idea, I saw that their partners, that they send your files to, do not only include Getty, but also Adobe Stock and Alamy!

How can be as non-exclusive contributors upload to them when we already upload to these major sites???

It will send files that we already have on these platforms, create duplicates? Lead to deletions on some part? Or what will happen?

Then EyeEm is in fact some kind of uploading tool in disguise that steals a part of our profit?

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Anyone selling at EyeEm that can tell me roughly how much that comes from the getty partner sales?

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Hi!

Im returning to uploading and want to upload all my files to EyEm. However there is a problem, i was an old non-exclusive istock contributor and i guess my files are now selling on Getty or whatever, not sure exactly what happened when we agreed to the shift a long time ago but, i login to ESP and see/request the earnings from there, not much at all...

Anyhow Eyem says that the files uploaded to them will possibly be sent to getty for review of selling also at Getty. I wrote to Eyems costumer service and asked them if i could upload my old files, or if there is a risk of "collision" and duplicated if they get accepted also at Getty. They shortly answered: "yes there is such a risk".

My questions to you:
1. How much of the earnings from Eyem comes from the Getty Partner channel in you experience?
2. If the Getty part of sales is low, maybe I could opt out of this getty thing and upload only to EyEm?
3. Maybe i can delete my old istock files from Getty, they are not selling that well at all...  would it be worth it/doable?

Yes i am selling only non-exclusive and plan to keep doing so with all my photos

Hope you can help me shed some light on this!

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Yes I mean Istock. I was an non-exclusive istock contributor + some partnersites of theirs like thinkstock etc. before they was bought up or whatever. Then it all moved to getty? I dont know really what happened, but i log into ESP-portal and get earnings from there now instead. No idea how uploads to getty/istock work now, someone can enlight me if they want.  I cant upload new content to istock/getty as non-exlusive anymore?  Is it through the old istock-site?

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Thanks for your replies!

Im considering adding EyeEm to my upload routine.

I saw that EyeEm is partnered with getty images, and I saw that the photos uploaded there have a chance of getting sold on getty too. But I already sell some at Getty and Im planning to upload my old files to EyEm too! I dont want EyeEm to send them my files and them getty approves and there will be duplicates, witch might lead to some troubles? How will this work? Should I avoid uploading my older stuff(best) there for this reason?

Somebody here from Getty or EyeEm that can clarify this for me? (Help me tag someone if you know the right user)

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The poll to the right is not as detailed as it once was. I see numbers on the highest 6 sites. I get that the lower ones preform worse now than they did a few years ago, but they could still have a numbers? And the ones without a number, does the order of them really corresponds to the earnings?

Otherwise, regarding testing a new site. I have not gotten any response from that, i take it there is no new site other than the ones i alraedy submit to? The only one I get curius about, also looking at other threads, is EyeEm? How is your experience with getting sales from uploading to that site? Or do you have any other suggesions of a site that might be underestimated or so?

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Hi!

I have been inactive with stock photography a few years and have some new photos im ready to upload. I just wanted to ask if there are any new sites worth uploading to compared to say 5-6 years ago. I sell at these sites, ranked in earnings. + Some trends on my sales, but everything is down overall.

Shutterstock
Deposit Photos (preforming surprisingly well on old uploads)
Adobe Stock (old Fotolia, will be interesting to see how uploads works now)
Dreamsteam
Getty, ESP or whatever they are called now (Old Istock, will be interesting to see how uploads works now there too)
Edit: forgot 123rf. Its getting pretty low though....
CanStockPhotos (Getting much lower earnings there now)
Big Stock (getting much lower earnings there too)

Maybe:
Stockfresh (hardly any downloads)
FineArtAmerica (Have a lot of Nature Photos there but can count my sales on one hand...)
Alamy (not much happening there but a few last year, so i will upload)

So any new sites that could be worth a try? I have been living under a rock so dont know much whats happend






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General Stock Discussion / Re: October 2012 Earning Thread
« on: November 02, 2012, 03:41 »
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Number 6: "Thats why I didn't go to college!"

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Photo Critique / Re: SS port
« on: October 10, 2012, 00:18 »
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